Can someone please tell me the last time "Palestinians" ever controlled "Palestine"

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

valid point for stealing land

NObody stole land... land was given.

british mandate land was partitioned to jewish palestinians and arab palestinians. the jews took what they were given, while the arabs didnt. simple!

Stolen land is an idiotic misconception. you cant steal land from someone who doesnt own it! Read up your history before making false allegations!

What is the purpose of this thread anyway?
Are you attempting to say the murder of innocents is ok, because an invisible man says the land belongs to one group of people?

originally posted by: g146541
What is the purpose of this thread anyway?
Are you attempting to say the murder of innocents is ok, because an invisible man says the land belongs to one group of people?

Which innocents? the Palestinian or Israeli ones?
And an invisible man did not give it to them. The British government did

a reply to: combatmaster

Lol no land stolen, give me a break.

By your logic the brithish mandate was illegal because the semetic people already owned the land, and those semetic people that had been there for centurys got there land stolen when the state of israel came in existance.

So which one is it?

originally posted by: gladtobehere
a reply to: dashen

Not sure what your point is here.

Lets say what youre saying is true, that one group or another has consistently enslaved or ruled over Palestine.

Does that mean that they're not entitled to being free or having the right of self-determination?

So its ok that the Israelis rule over and enslave them as well?

He's saying Palestine is a farce. It's a dummy corporation for Hamas and other terrorist groups.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: combatmaster

Lol no land stolen, give me a break.

By your logic the brithish mandate was illegal because the semetic people already owned the land, and those semetic people that had been there for centurys got there land stolen when the state of
israel came in existance.



So which one is it?

It would help tremendously if you had bothered to read the thread at all.
All of your questions have been answered repeatedly

a reply to: BobAthome

You are simply backing up what i said!

Palaestina I was a Byzantine province

Exactly.... not palestinian state or province but a byzantine/roman province!

I believe you are confused as to the etymology of the word 'palestine'

Please, i insist.... show me when an Arab Palestine State ever existed and in what year was it occupied by Israel???

Someone needs to do their homework

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

the brithish mandate was illegal because the semetic people already owned the land

Nope.... Ottoman Turkey owned the land for quite some time, and in all that time they never established a sovereign 'palestinian' state. then after WW1 the land was mandated to briatain and france. hence the british mandate of palestine.

Please be more clear as to what you are trying to say.... the rest of your post is very confusing! but i will try.

and those semetic people that had been there for centurys got there land stolen when the state of israel came in existance.

Again.... It was NOT their land..... they were simply living on it. It was always under the hand of an empire, never sovereign (except for the Jews).

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: BobAthome

You are simply backing up what i said!

Palaestina I was a Byzantine province

Exactly.... not palestinian state or province but a byzantine/roman province!

I believe you are confused as to the etymology of the word 'palestine'

Please, i insist.... show me when an Arab Palestine State ever existed and in what year was it occupied by Israel???

Someone needs to do their homework

Palaestina I was a Byzantine province


so your saying that for instance,,,Ontario,, or Nova Scotia,,
Provinces of the Commonwealth of Canada,
,are not actually Canadian,, or that a Manitoban is not a Canadian?


show me when an Arab Palestine State ever existed

or are you talking about the Levant,,which includes,,Palaestina?

u know about the U.N recognized state of Levant right?


"The Levant Initiative for Global Peace"

www.ipahp.org...


The Levant today consists of the island of Cyprus, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, and part of southern Turkey (the former Aleppo Vilayet).

a reply to: dashen

Read the biography of T.E. Lawrence aka Lawrence Of Arabia.
It gives an accurate insight of what was promised to The Arabs for their assistance if WW I
Britain promised Palestine to The Arab Tribes, but with the aid of France and The U.S. they welched on the deal.
The only Arab leader who got anything was King Feisel, who became King of Iraq.

a reply to: BobAthome

No, he's saying that none of those places have ever been sovereign states/provinces of their own. Are you claiming that Manitoba was ever it's own country the same way that Texas was once its own country? Or Ontario? Or Nova Scotia?

Basically, there has never been a sovereign nation of Palestine ruled by Palestinians the same way there have been sovereign Jewish states in that region ruled by Jews. And even though the UN recognized the Levant. There has also never been a sovereign Levant state in that region.

Basically, Texans have more right to claim their land and state and start their own country than Palestinians do.

a reply to: combatmaster

So by your logic you dont own your land, but the people that used to live there own it if they ever come back right.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: combatmaster

So by your logic you dont own your land, but the people that used to live there own it if they ever come back right.

in this case they never stopped living there. For three thousand years at least

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: BobAthome

No, he's saying that none of those places have ever been sovereign states/provinces of their own. Are you claiming that Manitoba was ever it's own country the same way that Texas was once its own country? Or Ontario? Or Nova Scotia?

Basically, there has never been a sovereign nation of Palestine ruled by Palestinians the same way there have been sovereign Jewish states in that region ruled by Jews. And even though the UN recognized the Levant. There has also never been a sovereign Levant state in that region.

Basically, Texans have more right to claim their land and state and start their own country than Palestinians do.

i know its Texas but,,
,Texas was once its own country,,
u do mean a Republic and not a Souvren Country right?

lol

a reply to: BobAthome

cause i thought Texas was a Mexican Provence before it was Texas.

a reply to: dashen

Who is they your taking about, the semetic people that have lived on the land that was stolen are mainly muslims, the state of israel is not run by semetic people by the way, judaism is not a race its a religion.

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Bilk22

well that depends on how far you want to go back. are you saying the Israel and Judah didn't exit until Assyrian captivity, then left just Judah. Both are the same peoples, from the same line. and counting both of them, ruled the land longer than any Arab or Muslim people ever have, and have had a continual presence there.

you know Israel has the same rights to live there as do the Palestinian Arabs. both come from a Semitic nomadic origin and roamed around the land.

Now who would disagree that both have a right to live there? I'm not making that claim.

Something people responding to this thread should read.

Link

i think your geneticists Eran Elhaik might ought to confer with historians i've been posting this link for years here in different threads, and have known about it since 2003 or so.

here is the page,Assembly of Yahweh, Cascade - An Israelite Yahwism Site
now on this page you will see a big yellow box divided into smaller boxes. in the top box you will see a link to a pdf click it.

for those that don't want to download the pdf, here is the relivant part i was talking about.

The Northern Kingdom of Yisrael (Israel) was conquered by the Assyrian King Shalmaneser V, in 745-722 BCE, (for their sin before Yahweh), and the Yisraelites were exiled into (Assyria), 2 Kings 17:5-7. They prospered during the years in Assyria, and became a huge population of people. Outgrowing the land area they eventually migrated North through the 'Caucasus Mountains', and into central and Western Europe forming the Great European Nations. Their descendants are known as Caucasians. As these Yisraelites migrated they influenced many local people groups. No longer having an organized religious priesthood, and not having a nation or national identity, their system of worship was corrupted through many years of captive living in pagan Assyria. During the 7th century A.D. various bits and pieces of the old Yahudain religion was embraced and expanded on by the Khazars, (a people of Turkish descent). The Khazar King, his court, and the Khazar military class, adopted this amalgamated newly formed religion, which is now known as Jew-ism.

Present-day Modern Jew-ism, was formally formed into it's basic cultic worship form about 1,000 years ago, (according to Jewish history), when - Rabbenu Gershon a Khazar/Jew of Mainz, Germany, published a ban on bigamy for the Jews. This marks the recorded beginning of the Ashkenazi Jewish Sect, and Franco-German halachic* creativity. The word 'Ashkenazi' is not Hebrew for the word Germany, although the name has become 'associated' with Germany because many Ashkenazi Jews organized in Eastern Europe.

*halachic - loose 'interpretations' of Old Testament laws.

In common parlance the present day 'Jew' is synonymous with the 'Ashkenazi Khazar/Jew.' Scripture refers to the Ashkenaz in Gen. 10:3, and in I Chron. 1:6, as one of the sons of Gomer, who was a son of Japheth, who was a son of Noah. Ashkenaz was also a brother of Togarmah (and a nephew of Magog) who the Kazars according to King Joseph (of the Kazars) claimed as their ancestor. The people who refer to themselves as Ashkenazi Jews are not Yisraelites, and they are not Semites because they do not descend from Noah's son Shem. They are an Ashkenazi Khazar people group, who descend from Noah's son Japheth. Approximately 90 percent of the Jews in the world call themselves Ashkenazi Jews.

which by itself really means nothing until you read this.

Jews have lived in Azerbaijan for centuries and can be divided into two groups: Ashkenazi and Jews of Persian origin. Ashkenazim settled in Azerbaijan in the 19th century during a Czarist Russian attempt to infuse Russian culture into the region. Other Ashkenazim came to Azerbaijan during World War II to escape the Nazis. The Persian Jews, also known as Caucasian Mountain Jews, can be traced to Azerbaijan from before the 5th century. Their history is more than 2,000 years long and Azerbaijan has historically been very welcoming toward them.

Mountain Jews have lived in Caucasia for centuries and are said to be descendents of the Lost Tribes that left Israel after the destruction of the First Temple, in 587 BC. Their ancestors inhabited southern Azerbaijan, now the northwestern part of Iran, where they adopted the Muslim Tat language, but remained Jewish. The language has evolved to become a distinct Jewish dialect called Judeo-Tat or Judeo-Persian. After fleeing persecution in Persia, many Jews migrated to mountain villages on either side of the Black and Caspian Seas. At the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th, Mountain Jews lived as farmers and gardeners in their small, isolated communities. This historic way of life flourished in the towns of Privolnoe, Krasnaya Sloboda, and Vartashen.
Azerbaijan

so i would say your geneticists Eran Elhaik is about 10years or so to late with the info.

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: stormbringer1701
@Bilk22

that's nonsense. No one can deny the historical nations of Israel and Judea that goes back thousands of years. if anyone has claims to have been driven out of their homeland it is the Jews.

time is growing short. the 1948 mandate marks the beginning of the generation of the fig. the last generation prior to the second advent of Christ. this will all end before the last person who was alive in 1948 when that happened dies. And it will not go well for the enemies of Israel.

Sounds like a threat. Always wondered why there were holocaust museums in so many major cities around the globe. Have anything hidden there we should know about?

apparently. you should know that God does not take kindly to those that are hostile to Israel/Judea. at the end nearly all the world will be against Israel and several nations will actually invade her. God directly intervenes at Armageddon and Haimengog and Supernaturally destroys the armies of the Russian alliance iran and syria down to 1/6 of thier former size and leaves those alive only to testify that the Lord God of Israel is God. syria and iran will be uninhabited wastelands a place that strikes terror into the heart of those that pass by. Neither the Israelis or her allies need lift a finger and are in fact told to stay out of those battles.

originally posted by: BobAthome

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: BobAthome

You are simply backing up what i said!

Palaestina I was a Byzantine province

Exactly.... not palestinian state or province but a byzantine/roman province!

I believe you are confused as to the etymology of the word 'palestine'

Please, i insist.... show me when an Arab Palestine State ever existed and in what year was it occupied by Israel???

Someone needs to do their homework

Palaestina I was a Byzantine province


so your saying that for instance,,,Ontario,, or Nova Scotia,,
Provinces of the Commonwealth of Canada,
,are not actually Canadian,, or that a Manitoban is not a Canadian?


show me when an Arab Palestine State ever existed

or are you talking about the Levant,,which includes,,Palaestina?

u know about the U.N recognized state of Levant right?


"The Levant Initiative for Global Peace"

www.ipahp.org...


The Levant today consists of the island of Cyprus, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, and part of southern Turkey (the former Aleppo Vilayet).

They are canadian thats the point.... palestina 1 was roman not palestinian.

or are you talking about the Levant,,which includes,,Palaestina?

No mate... not the levant. did you misread my question? I will ask it again then

show me when an Arab Palestine State ever existed and in what year was it occupied by Israel???

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: combatmaster

So by your logic you dont own your land, but the people that used to live there own it if they ever come back right.

What people are you referring to? the Canaanites?