No Climate Change, huh? Well, let's recap this past week's extreme weather events

First a week's worth of weather is not indicative of climate changing. Second even if you DID manage to provide evidence of climate change, you haven't linked any of it to being caused by man. For all you know the climate is changing because it just is.

Global Warming? Nah, we've hardly had a summer here in Ohio. Fall it feels like outside and has pretty much all summer other than a few days. Cute little humans always thinking they're important. The planet will be just fine, and I've plenty of layers and food for the coming Ice Age.

It would seem to me that if you continue having tornadoes in Boston then it's evidence of some change, otherwise it's just a freak occurrence. Happens all the time where weather is concerned.

Yes there is "climate change" but it's not man made, it's a natural cycle in nature on this planet. It has happened for millions of years and will continue to happen.

pretty arrogant for humans to think they made it happen.

Who made it happen in the past when there were not even people on the planet?

It happens regularly on this planet and we are no different than any other animal on the planet, we either adapt or we go extinct.

Crying about it, passing laws and throwing money at it won't stop it.

Either adapt to it, go extinct or leave and go live on another planet. Only 3 choices I can see.

I don't think sea levels rise because nothing is happening with the weather. Except perhaps the earth is shrinking.

ocean.nationalgeographic.com...

oceanservice.noaa.gov...

To me the only explanation is the Ice caps and glaciers are melting due to a trend in global warming.

I'm open to other suggestions....

a reply to: Rezlooper

I suppose you will take the first real Hurricane that hits (quite a dry spell we are having with Hurricanes) as "evidence" that global climate change is happening.

You end up sounding desperate for vindication of your beliefs.

Once Climate models can accurately mimic past AND future climate trends......then I'll start paying more attention to them. As is, they are greatly lacking in predicting results.

Darn, we miss out on all the excitement up here in the U.P. The last time we had a bad storm and it knocked out power all over the place, there was so much to talk to people about. Beats the normal conversations around here like...did you service your snowblower yet or are you going to wait till after a two foot snowstorm. How about another one,
the blueberries are ready, better get out there. What, nobody else has this conversation with their kids?

How about "they are clearing out the grills at Menards"

We need some excitement up here, Oh yeah, the Renaissance fair is this weekend. Keep your bad weather events. Take our snow next winter if you want it too.

a reply to: Rezlooper

In a suburb of Boston, just five miles from the city, they experienced a devastating tornado that wiped out two miles of city. How often do they experience tornadoes? Well, they haven't had one since record-keeping began. Denver saw three tornadoes yesterday as well.

Tornadoes are rare but not unheard of in Massachusetts. According to data collected by the Tornado History Project, 159 were recorded in Massachusetts between 1950 and 2013. That’s an average of nearly three tornadoes per year.

The prevalence of the dangerous storms has declined significantly since the mid-20th century. The National Climatic Data Center reported that 2013 was the slowest tornado year since 1989.

The National Weather Service predicts Massachusetts will have one strong-to-violent tornado each year. To date, the state has seen 50 strong-to-violent tornadoes, seven of which were deadly.

www.bostonglobe.com...

Greetings Rezlooper,

Good luck with your book.

stay safe

a reply to: olaru12

I'm open to other suggestions....

Displacement - God is wading

:-)

Science has the answer for everything

Do you believe that the Ice Age happened?

If you do then you also believe that the Earth can go through some radical climate changes.

originally posted by: Rezlooper

I finished writing a book called Fever Rising a couple of months ago...

Oh, I see where this is going...

originally posted by: Rezlooper
...After nearly two years of studying the issue and discussing it here at ATS, I decided it needed to be written.

Nearly two years of studying? That must have been brutal!

Humans are a mere speck on the timeline of the Earth. Written history covers an even smaller speck of our human history, and within that the weather is one of lesser recorded data. We don't know nearly enough about our planet's climate to make any sort of assumptions like this.

Now where the hell is my whiskey...

originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: Rezlooper
Over the past two years, the U.K. has been battered by biblical rains producing floods. Three different times there were floods in the U.K. These floods followed the floods of 2007 and 2009. Since the MET Office (Great Britian’s weather service) began keeping records over 100 years ago, they declared 2012 the second wettest year and the single wettest year for England. Four of the five wettest years were in the last decade. This is a very disconcerting trend.
The flooding was so bad in some areas, a pub owner in Mevagissey, Cornwall, closed his business for good after he flooded 11 times in two months.

UK always has torrential downpours this time of the year. I definitely remember these happening back in 1993/94 in Edinburgh on a Sunday afternoon when there was some bicycle race/marathon. Had to speed hours yomping from one newsagent to another to find a newspaper. These torrential downpours also happened between 2002 and 2009 when I was working at university. The water would just rocket off the gutters because there was so much coming down at one time. One local garage in Morningside nearly got flooded because the council couldn't be arsed cleaning the muck out of the drains before the rains came.

My guess is that the heatsink effect of our larger cities is concentrating the bands of rainstorm clouds into a narrow gap between London and Birmingham/Nottingham.

You'll see that your own MET office (weather service) declared last year the wettest year for England and also said that four of the five wettest years on record (over 100 years of record-keeping) were in the last decade alone. This is coming from your own weather service there in the UK. Of course, there are always wet times, bad storms, heat waves, and whatever else for all of us no matter where we are. That's what a lot of posters fail to realize. They continue to talk about how there location is this or that, but the point that you all fail to recognize is that all of these events are occurring at once, in many locations, and that's what is abnormal. These past few years are witnessing an extreme acceleration of events.

originally posted by: Dr1Akula
Weather changes, that's for sure. But global warming?

We were used to high temperatures, here in Greece (38-40 c)
But this summer was the coolest of all (29 - 33 c)

Maybe in some places of the world,temperature is higher than it used to be, but then again we can't use the word global...

I didn't used to be a denier, but what about all the evidence telling otherwise?

Please read the OP. I know I didn't go into full detail about it, but it's the jet stream fluctuations that are causing your cool temperatures. Sure, we all have had some cooler-than-average times, but the extreme of it all (such as this past winter) for so many of us (mainly, here in the US midwest and northeast), is because of the jet stream that looks like a rollercoaster ride across the northern hemisphere. Go check it out for yourselves. This is not a normal jet stream pattern...one that brings warm Pacific air way up over Alaska (giving them much warmer than average temps) and then dips way further south into the United States (bringing much cooler Arctic air). It's been in this pattern for the past year and a half. Look at the temps in Washington state and Oregon this summer...way up in the 90's and well above average. The same patterns are happening across Europe and Asia as well causing major heat waves in some areas and extreme cool temps in others. But, the scariest part of this all is that warm unseasonable air is parked over Greenland and parts of Siberia, which is melting the permafrost...which is causing all these major sinkholes up there, releasing way too much methane gas from underneath. The land ice melt is what is causing volcanic and earthquake activity to increase with increased weight on the thin continental shelves in the oceans and decreased weight on the land itself when the ice melts. The methane is at dangerous unlivable levels already over the Arctic Ocean, go check it out for yourselves. Do some Google searches on Arctic methane levels. This increased methane is 25 times worse for the atmosphere than carbon dioxide. This is creating a blanket over the planet trapping in more of the sun's heat. We may have already reached the tipping point because the levels of methane have been increasing for the past 7 years now. The Clathrate Gun may have fired...

What is the Clathrate Gun Hypothesis

Role of methane hydrates in climate change

The Clathrate 'Smoking Gun'

Do some research people. There is so much information out there about the increasing methane levels.

None of your lame arguments about whether this is caused by man or not matters. The point is that it is happening and has happened before our time, and the real culprit is methane gas, not carbon dioxide. Most climate scientists already know this but they are hush because they've spent the last forty years arguing for a war on carbon emissions while methane snuck in the back door. They feel if they divert their attentions to methane now, they will lose years of carbon hype. It's a shame and the more scientists and governments keep fooling around, the better our chances of being screwed become!

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Rezlooper

Fine post, but terrible Title. Your title is an immediate "in your face" challenge to which you received immediate rebuttal. Too immediate to have been read through. But chances are that would have happened in any event.

From my recollection early on in this climate debate,maybe fifteen or twenty years ago, spastic weather anomalies were predicted as a visible aspect of the over-all changes taking place. Your post serves to validate the advent of these phenomena.

I have to agree with you on the title. I should have changed it because I noticed the first page of responders didn't even read the OP, clearly evidenced by some of their comments. They saw the title and tried to be the first to jump in and make their voices be heard. I did reference the past few years of weather anomalies versus the past week. I agree with you though, they would've made their arguments anyways. We're to a point now where people have their minds made up either for or against climate change and my arguments, or any other, won't sway them...not until a boulder-size hail stone falls on their head!

originally posted by: bjarneorn

originally posted by: Rezlooper

Obviously, you don't know me and you haven't read my threads or this OP.

I think I need to apologize ... because I tend to say "you", not as you. But as a third person, identifying the scientists in general. As in everybody ... not you as an individual.

My point is, the human race is too focused on buying the official explanation that basically says, we have to "fart" less (create less CO2 and methane). Instead of, in my opinion, we should spend more on science to prepare ourselves to the fact that this is something that we won't change. Even if we "aided" it's process.

No apologies necessary, you're just a grumpy old man

But, I do have to agree with you that we are focused on the wrong things. But, I do believe methane is the more serious threat and it matters not anymore what caused it...after nearly two years of research on the issue, I firmly believe it's happening and it needs urgent attention. As I posted above, people need to do a little bit of research on methane and they will see that it is indeed increasing in the atmosphere and that's not a good thing. It is 25 times worse for our atmosphere than carbon dioxide. We should definitely be spending more on the science right now to see if there is anyway to stop the increase or eliminate the gas that is in the atmosphere..before it's too late, because IMO, we can stop it, and I don't mean with carbon taxes. It's too late for all that junk. The governments of the world need work together, and who knows, maybe they already are. Methane levels increased for 200 years until 1997 where the it leveled off for about a decade, then suddenly, in 2007, it started increasing again and increasing all over the planet. No one knows why it leveled off and then started again. The problem is, over those 200 years the levels were still at a livable spot for us humans, but since the increase began in 2007, it's already skyrocketed way past livable levels up over the Arctic, the one main spot in the world where we can't afford for it too rise to such levels.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
The earth has been cooling for over 10 years. Al Gore and the Global Warming people couldn't have been more wrong. They preached the exact opposite of what happened. And people still believe them! We all know they are trying to backtrack and say Climate Change but seriously... they were dead wrong. The good news is you still have time to migrate south before the next mini-Ice Age.

There have been countless threads, some of my own, where we all post statistics, news articles, reports about how the temperatures are increasing. Would you please post a link for me, and any other curious souls, to where we can find some information pertaining to your claim about temperatures (on a global scale) actually cooling.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
First a week's worth of weather is not indicative of climate changing. Second even if you DID manage to provide evidence of climate change, you haven't linked any of it to being caused by man. For all you know the climate is changing because it just is.

I never said it was caused by man. If you read my posts or any of my threads, I'm not arguing about whether man caused this or not, I've been saying that methane is increasing regardless of the cause and we either need to do something to stop it or kiss our collective arses goodbye!

originally posted by: Flesh699
Global Warming? Nah, we've hardly had a summer here in Ohio. Fall it feels like outside and has pretty much all summer other than a few days. Cute little humans always thinking they're important. The planet will be just fine, and I've plenty of layers and food for the coming Ice Age.

And there you (or you guys) go again, judging the entire planet on your little neck of the woods. Who's the cute little human?

a reply to: Millers

You're showing statistics for the entire state of Massachusetts. What I referenced was for Boston, and it's suburbs for that matter. There hasn't been a tornado in that region since prior to 1950. Check that out.

originally posted by: mwood
It would seem to me that if you continue having tornadoes in Boston then it's evidence of some change, otherwise it's just a freak occurrence. Happens all the time where weather is concerned.

Yes...freak occurrence. My point...there are just a few too many freak occurrences freakily occurring right now.

originally posted by: mwood
Yes there is "climate change" but it's not man made, it's a natural cycle in nature on this planet. It has happened for millions of years and will continue to happen.

pretty arrogant for humans to think they made it happen.

Who made it happen in the past when there were not even people on the planet?

Once again, I never once said that it was caused by man, just saying that it is happening. Although, I do believe man has something to do with it this time around, because in past extinction events due to methane gas, it took thousands of years for the earth climate to change...this time around...a few decades.

originally posted by: mwood
Who made it happen in the past when there were not even people on the planet?

In a post above, I provided a few links about the Clathrate Gun Hypothesis, read the middle link and it tells a little about the past extinction events. There are numerous articles to be found by Googling it also talking about past events. It was methane, but it took thousands of years.

originally posted by: mwood
It happens regularly on this planet and we are no different than any other animal on the planet, we either adapt or we go extinct.

Exactly!

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Rezlooper

I suppose you will take the first real Hurricane that hits (quite a dry spell we are having with Hurricanes) as "evidence" that global climate change is happening.

You end up sounding desperate for vindication of your beliefs.

Once Climate models can accurately mimic past AND future climate trends......then I'll start paying more attention to them. As is, they are greatly lacking in predicting results.

Back to the argument about what's happening in your neck of the woods. Your 'neck of the woods' doesn't represent the entire planet. The Atlantic Hurricane season is the only one that is quiet. Check out the Pacific hurricanes and the typhoons in Asia. In just the past year, they've had two of their heaviest Super-Typhoons yet and they are having plenty more of these extreme typhoons. One after the other. I'm not desperate...I'm right.

a reply to: Rezlooper

What's the solution, what can be done to stop it?