Two Massive Cane Corso Dogs Maul To Death Michigan Jogger

I have been known to say on ATS, and elsewhere. If only humans would care for one another as much as we do our pets, and other cute, cuddly animals we all gush over. Rescue a dog from certain starvation and death, people will get all teary-eyed.

As well they should. We domesticated these animals, and we should damn well take care of them. But when was the last time you saw a youtube video showing the rescue of a homeless man or woman, society has taken a dump on, with a broken heart and spirit? We don't look for those, right? We look for the animal vids, because they're more comfortable for us.

So what does any of this have to do with the title of this thread? A lot, in my opinion. Not only were the guardians of these animals negligent in their care. They were negligent in the care of their neighbors as well. Now granted, it would seem they cared more for the dogs, than they did their fellow humans. But did they really? Or were they just selfish and heartless all the way around? Not only is a man dead, but now these animals will be put to sleep for doing what they were taught and encouraged to do...

The dogs’ owner made quite the impression on neighbors when he — and his menagerie of pets — moved to the neighborhood. He approached one woman, who has a young daughter, with pet hawk on his arm and one of the corsos running unleashed.

“I said, ‘Is he aggressive?’ And he said, ‘Yeah, everything I own is aggressive,’” Ashley Winter, 31, told the Free Press. “I thought, ‘What have we gotten ourselves into?’

Wait. It gets better. The local authorities, and obviously the neighbors, knew about these animals, and how agressive they were, having had experience with them on previous occasions...

April Smith was walking by the home in May 2012 when one dog ran up behind her and latched onto her leg, tearing three holes in her leg and causing bleeding.

A man in his 70s was attacked in 2013, too, authorities confirmed.

In my opinion, there's plenty of culpability to go around in this case. Should the guardians of these animals be charged? Yes. Should the animals be put down. Unfortunately, yes. Should the city and neighbors own their own lack of action in this case? I think so. Yes.
I may be an atheist, but am I my brothers keeper? Yes, to some extent.
I love animals, and it angers me to see them mistreated. Especially those that have been domesticated, and depend on us heavily to care for them. But all things being equal, my fellow human beings take precedent when it comes down to making a choice between my pets, and the safety of my neighbors. How about you?
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a reply to: Klassified

Personally no...

Aggressive animals are the product of the "owner"... not the dog itself...

I've had quite literally hundreds of dogs, many were aggressive before they came to me... and were not aggressive after some TLC...

Animals take precedence over most people in my humble opinion... because IF treated right they will give you unconditional love... and I can't say the same for my own species unfortunately

And while these situations are tragic... theres no one to blame but the owners...

People who abuse and mistreat animals should be given the same treatment as they dished out...

AND I would gladly do the job... with a smile on my face

a reply to: Klassified

Have to agree with this thread, we know better and we should be teaching our pets, to elevate there awareness and consciousness and how to behave in a decent manner.
While some think they should be left to be animals, i agree if they are in the wild but with a pet you are bringing the animal into your world not the other way around and therefore are wholly responsible for the behavior and treatment of that pet.

Disagree with putting them down, just like with the death penalty but that's another thread.

Although if i saw an animal munching a person i would probably attack the animal with whatever i could

S&F

If a deer could say "Please Don't Shoot!!" could you still shoot?

a reply to: Klassified

I agree with most of what you say, but the sole responsibility belongs to the owner, IMO. They knew their dogs would attack people, yet they let them loose where they had the opportunity to interact with people.

Should the dogs be put down? Unless the owner is willing to surrender them to someone who will take proper care of them, yes.

I do think the city was negligent, but the owner is the one responsible. The neighbors are innocent and have no culpability.

Finally, my pets are more important to me than most people. Just the truth.

originally posted by: Poppcocked
If a deer could say "Please Don't Shoot!!" could you still shoot?

If it was for my families survival??

Yes

For some stupid wall mounted trophy?


No

I think the issue is " can you enjoy your property or public property without fear of attack?"
Many times in our city neighbourhood we have been chased into our own back yard by loose Canines that are being aggressive.

Twice I have grabbed the weapon of choice .....the crowbar and swung it to kill whilst in my own back yard.
It is very terrifying when confronted by one,two large dogs you have never seen before and they are all teeth and snarling.

I place the blame on the dogs period........I know this will bomb and get me in a lot of dog doodoo but that is what the problem is.
If you pass it on to the master, that is a bail out, the dogs are evil and nothing will bring back that mans life today or tomorrow.

If say tonight someone breaks into our home while we sleep and murders us do we go back the bad persons mother or father or do we face the fact that two people died and that the murderer should be locked up for life.

I am really getting tired of hearing about the fact that its the "Masters" fault when after the fact there are dead bodies to account for.

Dogs are dogs and they hunt in packs and when they get going there is not much you can do about it.
My friend's parents once owned a large farm and two dogs that were loose all the time, very nasty dogs and attacked anything and everything.

All the neighbouring farmers bitched about those dogs.....one night they got into a chicken coop and did the dirty deed.

They woke up in the morning to two dogs on their front porch with shotgun blasts to the head.
The Mother freaked out, the old man said " I should have done that years ago"

Some dogs are truly aggressive beasts and should not be allowed outdoors unless tethered or fenced in.
I ask this? Why should anyone fear jogging down a road?

A bad dog is a bad dog.
In our city one bite gets a muzzle, second bite it gets the needle and I agree with that.
We pay dearly for living where we do and I detest being chased into my own backyard by large aggressive dogs.

Good thread and as I said earlier I won't make many friends with my post.

S&F for a great discussion sure to happen here.
Regards, Iwinder

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Klassified

Personally no...

Aggressive animals are the product of the "owner"... not the dog itself...

So your saying a dog ,in the wild that never had an owner ,has never ever ever killed a human for no reason than they are aggressive and hungry?

a reply to: karmicecstasy

No... Im saying IF someone is going to have a dog... Be sure they can handle the dog they choose to get

they're animals, and they act according to nature or what their taught

Dogs can be deadly... they're essentially wolves that have been domesticated

I've had all sorts of Dogs that have the reputation of being nasty and aggressive, and its simply not true...

IF a person gets a pitbull... that person should be able to handle the power of that dog... and be able to train the dog or at the very least take them to someone who can...

I've also seen both men and women who love Rotties yet can not handle the responsibility of having a dog of that size and power... They let their dog run the house because they haven't got the slightest clue how to deal with that kind of animal... which usually ends up being a bad situation, and then they wonder why...

People buy dogs for protection and then treat them like beasts... slap them around when they don't behave which makes the dog fear... and usually makes them aggressive!

A dog will protect his owner and still be a harmless teddybear IF that person treats the dog with the proper respect...

People should learn to judge what dog is right for them...

For example... a 100lb female that doesn't know how to train a dog should not get a rottie, or a shepard etc etc...

A person with a sedimentary lifestyle should not own a dog that requires tons of exercise to be obedient

A 150lb rottie has no place with a tiny person who has no clue what their doing with a dog....

Get a frickin toy breed... or better yet... get a damn cat

a reply to: Akragon

No you said Aggressive animals are the product of the "owner". My only point is that animals can be aggressive and it sometimes has nothing to do with the owner. Animals are not perfect little angels that can do no wrong. Animals kill people animals kill other animals. It happens all the time. Just so you know, i am not attacking you just playing a little devils advocate. Thats why i put the little devil up like this

Other than that I agree with everything you say about people picking the right dog and treating said dog fairly when they own it.

a reply to: karmicecstasy

I didn't say animals were perfect little angels... In fact most dogs are actually complete ass****s and they get away with being one because they're cute...

In the case of the OP... the owner said specifically "Yes they're aggressive"... THAT is his fault they're like that, either by lack of training or by enforcing that aggressive behaviour In the animal

Even in the case of a tiny dog... they can be very aggressive without the proper training but they're easier to handle because they're small... In fact tiny dogs are usually more aggressive then the larger ones because as I've said, they're cute... they get coddled and babied by the owner... which puts the dog in the role of dominant male in the house

All domesticated animals need proper training... aside from cats because they're just lazy...

So yes... All "domesticated" animals that are aggressive are the product of their owner

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: karmicecstasy


So yes... All "domesticated" animals that are aggressive are the product of their owner

Ok ill let you go on that one lol. Now that you clarified, that is a statement I can not disagree with.

Just want to say it was nice talking about this with you. Too many debates on ATS just turn into name calling and my side is right and no one budging. Like I said I was just playing devils advocate. Have a nice sunday night.

a reply to: karmicecstasy

Hahaha... nah that's not how I roll

Take a look at what im saying...

A Corso pup... Just adorable... This is what you fall in love with


This is what they turn into


Without the proper training this dog will turn into a monster... and in the wrong hands, it will turn into a killer...

that is what Mastiff's were bred for... Killing

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Finally, my pets are more important to me than most people. Just the truth.

This I can understand, BH. Our furry friends become like family to us, as we get to know them. But you are not like the guardian of these animals, and correct me if I'm wrong, but if you invite someone to your home, you expect your furry friends to behave just as much as you expect your guests to. Right? You also are mindful if you have a dog that will bite. You respect your fellow humans enough not to allow your animals to treat them badly, in any way.

a reply to: Iwinder

I place the blame on the dogs period........I know this will bomb and get me in a lot of dog doodoo but that is what the problem is. If you pass it on to the master, that is a bail out, the dogs are evil and nothing will bring back that mans life today or tomorrow.

If say tonight someone breaks into our home while we sleep and murders us do we go back the bad persons mother or father or do we face the fact that two people died and that the murderer should be locked up for life.

The difference is, a human can reason out what they are doing, and make a choice between what's right and wrong. Therefore, our actions rest squarely on our shoulders.

A domesticated dog functions by instinct and training. Therefore, we as guardians of those animals are responsible for training them, and reigning them in, just as if they are our children. Bad training = bad dog. So yes. Most of the responsibility rests upon the guardian(imho). However. Even some domesticated dogs can go against their training, and do the unthinkable. In those cases. I think you have a valid point.

Some dogs become aggressive when people approach their property. I do not think all dogs are naturally aggressive, some are just protective and some as one has mentioned is a product of their owners who do not put a leash on them.

a reply to: SLAYER69

Then they say "Not Today Asshole!" and BLAMMO!! ur dead.

Some dogs have been bred for some purposes, and you have to handle them correctly as they grow and train them in order to overcome that breed instinct and tap into the dog instincts underneath. I have no doubt that in the correct hands, a Corso can be a dog like most other dogs just like a pit bull. The problem is that breed instinct is incredibly strong in the Corso and it requires a very experienced handler in order to know how to counteract those impulses.

Mastiffs are different. Yes, they were originally bred from the Roman war dog, but those days are long in the past. These days, breeders spend most of their time focusing on other traits. Mastiffs can be aggressive and some types of Mastiffs still have very strong prey drive, but they're much closer to gentle giant than giant then giant monster.

So in a sense, this guy was setting himself up for this. Just from what little is available here, he seemed most interested in the mystique of surrounding himself with aggressive status symbols rather than actually doing the real work it takes to properly handle them. Real poetic justice would have been if they had turned on him, not some poor person in his neighborhood.

The owner should be jailed, I own a Cane Corso and all it might do is lick you to death.
That breed might be big and scary looking but thats about as far as goes unless they are defending their home or their human/s and even then it's more barkie than bitey. The behavior of these particular dogs was taught to them and encouraged by a real scumbag who deserves the same fate of his attack pack.

Sadly, I disagree. It is the owner, or owner that owns them, or how they were treated before handling.

I am not going to ever brutalize a dog that was brutalized,which I think my rescue dog was, or he wouldn't be the way he is today, or go where he does not want to go, or manhandled him because I can.

I let him go on his own time.

But, if the one house walkie satisfty him, that is what I will do, even after his attack of a pit bull .

He is still traumatized.

My dog, does not take kindly to strangers period. He gets overly aggressive and reacts in a protective manner. No reason to put him to sleep because he gets protective of his enviroment.

Only one kennel in my area will take care him when I go out. Now they have two.

It took him 9 months, to even find a friend. A cat. Go figure. Step in his yard, you better run.

That's just his deameamor. Do we put everyone asleep for that?

He protects his own. Don't we all want a buddy like that? When he does go on walks when no dogs are loose, his cat buddy goes with him.

I have to make sure no dogs or cats are loose at the time. They are not my pets. Not fair to me, when I am trying to give him a day out.