U.S.: Satellite Imagery Shows Russians Shelling Eastern Ukraine

originally posted by: ozwest
a reply to: Xcathdra

Gee, sh#t for brains, guess USA holds the moral high ground. You are delusional. You can only intimidate and bribe for so long.

Keep it civil please.

Secondly research Russia and the countries they have bribed and bullied.

If you are going to throw rocks dont do it in a glass house.

a reply to: Xcathdra


Don't lecture me cowboy. I have spent half my life in America and the rest overseas. I am now an Australian citizen by choice because I saw the decline of USA and the absurdity of the sheep that live there. Where have you been? BACK OFF! Good luck to the few patriots left...

originally posted by: ozwest
a reply to: Xcathdra


Don't lecture me cowboy. I have spent half my life in America and the rest overseas. I am now an Australian citizen by choice because I saw the decline of USA and the absurdity of the sheep that live there. Where have you been? BACK OFF! Good luck to the few patriots left...

Where have I been?

I decided its more important to take a stand and participate in government to effect change instead of tucking tail and running away because of laziness and apathy.

As for lectures - I wont back off and I will continue to post information that you seem to be lacking.

a reply to: Xcathdra

It is people like you that caused me to relinquish my citizenship. It is refreshing to be free of the rancidness. You really need to get out more.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Go travel. Stop believing what you are told. The rest of the world is similar. I recently spent time in China. They love their children. You have no moral compass.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: ozwest
a reply to: Xcathdra

Sure, Putin may be lying, but I would suggest your 100 billion dollar per year satellite/intelligence system come up with some answers. If not, I would be wondering where my hard earned taxes were being spent. Otherwise, you are in 'Duck Soup'.

It did and the images were released.

People decided to say they were fake and ignored them.

images were released - correct.

but what does it show and what does it proves?

nothing in particular?

Nonetheless, one does have to wonder: why would the ODNI, which shares intelligence with the NSA, have to resort to private-sector satellite imagery as proof? If there is anyone who has definitive evidence of anything happening in the world at any given moment and as seen from space, it would be the NSA.

a reply to: demus

Hence the need to preserve the crime scene and not destroy it.

The other good thing about the satellite images -
We can compare images and see exactly what the rebels destroyed and when.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: demus

Hence the need to preserve the crime scene and not destroy it.

The other good thing about the satellite images -
We can compare images and see exactly what the rebels destroyed and when.

trying to derail again?

this is about satellite images being offered by US as a proof, I don't see how rebels have anything to do with said satellite images.

I am just saying what even the most biased media is saying: "US says satellite images proves..."

and I agree "US says" but should we trust what they say and why should we trust?

and how said images "are proof" of anything?

a reply to: demus

If you looked at the big picture you can see how the info fits together. Sorry if you don't care for the information.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: demus

If you looked at the big picture you can see how the info fits together. Sorry if you don't care for the information.

Those satellite images are not a proof.

That is what I am saying.

There is a lot of information and "information", where is the proof?

a reply to: demus

in the information and when placed into proper context by looking at the bigger picture.

a reply to: Xcathdra

You are skirting Demus's question.

Such images can be easily faked. How do you even know this is about Russian MBRLs firing at Ukraine??

These images could be of any MBRL firing somewhere in the world?

With the USA directly involved in the conflict, the stand of USA is clearly biased.

Any sane person would have difficulty believing such evidence.

originally posted by: GargIndia
With the USA directly involved in the conflict, the stand of USA is clearly biased.

Any sane person would have difficulty believing such evidence.

You mean direct involvement of Russia, not the US.

a reply to: Xcathdra

No. I mean direct involvement of USA.

a reply to: demus

But Russia releases some dubious "radar analysis" (which in the end turns out to be a bunch of crock as they claim plane not even capable of the job was responsible), yet it is fawned over by some as cast iron proof. Even worse, those same people will demand proof from the West of Russian/Seperatist involvement and when provided, sneer at it and say "that's not proof"...

Double standards, much?

Satellite images allegedly proving Russia's shelling on Ukraine falsified

Russian Defense Ministry finds Ukrainian Security Service’s data which was made public on Wednesday and should have proved Russia’s shelling on Ukraine as “hastily collected fakes.”

The specific expertise was made public at the website of Russian Defense Military.

en.itar-tass.com...

At least they are releasing their proof through the proper channels instead of posting it on Twitter like a 15 year old girl. The only reason for America posting it on social media is to sway public opinion with very weak "evidence".

a reply to: sosobad

Western evidence has been released through several media channels simultaneously - I have seen it all myself but don't use Twitter at all - it wasn't solely released on Twitter and the fact some keep trying to hammer home this point smacks to me of an attempt to smear it, badly I might add.

And it's all a bit hypocritical as the separatists have been using YouTube, Twitter and Facebook themselves.

originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: Xcathdra

No. I mean direct involvement of USA.

I think you are confused. There is no direct involvement of the US in Ukraine. Just Russia.

a reply to: Xcathdra

1. Americans have provided arms and money to Kiev.
2. Americans have provided information for targeting rebel forces.
3. American spies are all over Ukraine.
4. Americans are waging a brutal and relentless economic war against Russia, who is primary benefactor of rebels.

All the above provide motive for USA to falsify information about nature and intent of MH17 tragedy.