Israeli ambassador says IDF deserves Nobel Peace Prize for “unimaginable restraint”

originally posted by: logicguy69
Yes.

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You don't have to kill people to be the root of a problem especially when Israel has other nations that are more than willing to go fight for them like America for example.

originally posted by: logicguy69

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: openyourmind1262

You propose full-scale genocide and the actual scarring of the earth in response to localized genocide? I really don't know what to say to that...

Yes, pretty funny those accusing Israel of genocide often support genocide against Israel.

Anglojew got banned for defending Israel whereas this guy can propose genocide against Israel with no consequences.
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When you have leaders/people of a country openly calling for the death of all Palestinians, I'd say your chart and your opinion is waaay off.

originally posted by: buster2010
Somebody needs to buy that idiot a dictionary.
peace

: a state in which there is no war or fighting

: an agreement to end a war

: a period of time when there is no war or fighting

restraint

: a way of limiting, controlling, or stopping something

: a device that limits a person's movement

: control over your emotions or behavior
How warped does a person have to be to think that restraining yourself leads to a Peace Prize.

Use those definitions and explain how Obama won the peace prize.
The chair in the Oval Office was still warm from the last president.

I dunno..

I recon if your a young reservist walking the back alleys of Gaza right now - with Hamas and various militants shooting at you from open windows, alley ways, door ways, tunnels what ever.. would be pretty bloody scary.. lots of nerves and adrenalin and twitchy fingers.

Or on the other side you have people who get off on the thrill of a gun fight, lunatic types.. you'd have these people in the Israeli military too!

yet, they seem to be very controlled with little footage or reports coming out of massacred families in raids - read that, from events related to squads of troops involved on the ground.. the reports we hear are of missile strikes and such. Yes, this is not a good thing and a crime - if they were deliberately targeting the family and the civilians.

But they are not, in fact - the Israeli air force drops warning shots in the area, makes phone calls and tries to deliver warning to families to leave, because they don't want to injure the families if they don't have too, they want the militants and their infrastructure!

How many homes do you think the USA called in Baghdad?

back to the topic, it must be hard for someone that just wants to kick a$$ and murder HAMAS currently holding their nerve.. not shooting at everything that moves and not continuing with airstrikes when friendlies are around.

Theres this thing in video games called achievments, you get them for reaching certain milestones or being highly efficient at murder, maybe thats what he meant. At this rate there in for a good shot at the "500 slaughtered infants" achievment.

a reply to: daaskapital

Time to crowd fund a new peace price. It shouldn't be hard to come up with the million and the ceremony.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71

originally posted by: buster2010
Somebody needs to buy that idiot a dictionary.
peace

: a state in which there is no war or fighting

: an agreement to end a war

: a period of time when there is no war or fighting

restraint

: a way of limiting, controlling, or stopping something

: a device that limits a person's movement

: control over your emotions or behavior
How warped does a person have to be to think that restraining yourself leads to a Peace Prize.

Use those definitions and explain how Obama won the peace prize.
The chair in the Oval Office was still warm from the last president.

I couldn't believe he won it either. Now go start a thread on it because this thread is about a moron from Israel who is ambassador to the US.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
I dunno..

I recon if your a young reservist walking the back alleys of Gaza right now - with Hamas and various militants shooting at you from open windows, alley ways, door ways, tunnels what ever.. would be pretty bloody scary.. lots of nerves and adrenalin and twitchy fingers.

Or on the other side you have people who get off on the thrill of a gun fight, lunatic types.. you'd have these people in the Israeli military too!

yet, they seem to be very controlled with little footage or reports coming out of massacred families in raids - read that, from events related to squads of troops involved on the ground.. the reports we hear are of missile strikes and such. Yes, this is not a good thing and a crime - if they were deliberately targeting the family and the civilians.

But they are not, in fact - the Israeli air force drops warning shots in the area, makes phone calls and tries to deliver warning to families to leave, because they don't want to injure the families if they don't have too, they want the militants and their infrastructure!

How many homes do you think the USA called in Baghdad?

back to the topic, it must be hard for someone that just wants to kick a$$ and murder HAMAS currently holding their nerve.. not shooting at everything that moves and not continuing with airstrikes when friendlies are around.

Nothing in your post is any reason for the IDF to get the Peace Prize. Perhaps you need to read my first post to learn what PEACE means.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: openyourmind1262

You propose full-scale genocide and the actual scarring of the earth in response to localized genocide? I really don't know what to say to that...

Who know's, maybe that will put Iran in the running for a Nobel peace prize also?

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
I dunno..

I recon if your a young reservist walking the back alleys of Gaza right now - with Hamas and various militants shooting at you from open windows, alley ways, door ways, tunnels what ever.. would be pretty bloody scary.. lots of nerves and adrenalin and twitchy fingers.

Or on the other side you have people who get off on the thrill of a gun fight, lunatic types.. you'd have these people in the Israeli military too!

No doubt about both circumstances.

yet, they seem to be very controlled with little footage or reports coming out of massacred families in raids - read that, from events related to squads of troops involved on the ground.. the reports we hear are of missile strikes and such. Yes, this is not a good thing and a crime - if they were deliberately targeting the family and the civilians.

Sure, we haven't heard much regarding the deaths of civilians as a result of direct military raids, but bombardments, shelling and other use of military force, yeah. Take for instance, the recent battle in Shujayea. Overall, the battle left at least 13 Israelis and 60 Palestinians dead. The majority of whom were civilians:

The vast majority of Sunday's dead were in Shujayea, a district between Gaza City and the Israeli border, with at least 60 people killed there in an intense bombardment which began overnight.

Besides Shujayea, where bodies littered the streets, the worst hit neighbourhoods were al-Shaaf and al-Tuffa.

A Shujayea resident who reached a hospital told Al Jazeera: "It is a massacre taking place in Shujayea. It is a massacre - in the full sense of the word - committed by Israel against innocent civilians. There are no armed men among us. The streets of Shujayea are packed with dead bodies."

www.aljazeera.com...

Here are some other civilian accounts of the situation experienced in Shujayea:

www.aljazeera.com...

Yeah, it's Al Jazeera, but it is the first source popping up on google about it.

But they are not, in fact - the Israeli air force drops warning shots in the area, makes phone calls and tries to deliver warning to families to leave, because they don't want to injure the families if they don't have too, they want the militants and their infrastructure!

But they are, and have, targeted civilians. Take the deaths of those 4 children on the beach. Two rockets were fired at them as they ran up the beach. That obviously means that the Israelis were intending to hit them.

And the dropping of leaflets, phone calls and warning bombs mean nothing if Israel is going to bomb an occupied hospital, mosque or school. They claim they are legitimate military targets due to the storing of rockets, but there are still civilians relocated there. Additionally, civilians are told to flee, but where too? The UN-operated safe-zones are already mostly full. Many civilians remain in their homes in the hopes of surviving an impending Israeli assault.

How many homes do you think the USA called in Baghdad?

It doesn't matter about the USA's war in Iraq. We are talking about Gaza.

back to the topic, it must be hard for someone that just wants to kick a$$ and murder HAMAS currently holding their nerve.. not shooting at everything that moves and not continuing with airstrikes when friendlies are around.

It seems to me, that Israel is playing a game of bombarding neighbourhoods, and raiding tunnels. There seems to be limited (but some) ground warfare in regards to infantry combat. That means that Israel is resorting to the shelling and bombarding of neighbourhoods, while they primarily focus on tunnel warfare and select raids. Most attacks on high profile targets are done by air.

It seems to me that if a war time President can get a Nobel Peace Prize to stand along side a former V.P. with an environmental focus?Well, it just has to leave the world wondering what one had to do with the other, and so then why not the IDF? It makes as much sense.

Perhaps they actually would deserve it a bit more. It is hard to argue Israel could literally remove the Gaza population down to the last person just as easily as they are doing this operation right now. Restraint isn't seeing 600 died. It's seeing that it wasn't a 6 with a couple more zeros on the end. It could just as easily be for the extra effort required by IDF forces.

a reply to: daaskapital

I do not believe one word of it. What a pack of lies. If they want to "prove" their peaceful intentions, then "Israel" needs to ratify this treaty which clearly defines war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide. You can read the treaty here: Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

It should be a no brainier, with the pain of not just one Holocaust to reference, but two.

Israel and Zionists are masters of deception. I think even they believe their own BS. They will spin it and create confusion, then place themselves as exactly what they are opposite of. It's a trick.

They pat each other on the back. It's ridiculous. Nobel peace prize? I was thinking instead they should get warrants issued for their arrest for crimes against humanity. Next, they will claim that they are being oppressed by the Palestinians. Or have they claimed that one already?

originally posted by: logicguy69

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: openyourmind1262

You propose full-scale genocide and the actual scarring of the earth in response to localized genocide? I really don't know what to say to that...

Yes, pretty funny those accusing Israel of genocide often support genocide against Israel.

Anglojew got banned for defending Israel whereas this guy can propose genocide against Israel with no consequences.

This forum is rediculous.

Is that you AngloJew? I only ask because I could swear I seen him misspell ridiculous that way before too...

You'd think an Israeli ambassador might be justified in asking for the Nobel Peace Prize if Israel were donating $225,000,000 to help rebuild some of the Palestinian homes and hospitals that they destroyed, and/or paying for the long term care of the thousands of civilians that they severely/critically injured in Gaza.

But no, "Israel asks U.S. for $225 million for missing Iron Dome parts."

source: www.newsdocument.com...

It's one hell of a twisted world, that we live in.

a reply to: daaskapital

These Israeli zionist jews really have no shame and no conscience.

originally posted by: daaskapital
Can you believe it?

Well, the Israeli ambassador to the US, Ron Dermer, has stated that he thinks the IDF deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for the way in which they have conducted themselves in this current war with Hamas. I don't know about you, but the killings of over 600 people shouldn't qualify someone for the awarding of a Nobel Peace Prize, in my opinion.

I can't believe he had the gall to say the following, especially when the UN is currently convening on what actions (if any) they should take against Israel for alleged war crimes:

Speaking at this year’s Christians United for Israel gala, Israeli ambassador to the United States Ron Dermer claimed that, contrary to what human rights groups and the United Nations have claimed, the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) has conducted its assault on Hamas in Gaza with such caution and care for civilian lives that it deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for “unimaginable restraint.”

“Some are shamelessly accusing Israel of genocide and would put us in the dock for war crimes,” Dermer said during a speech that was repeatedly interrupted by protestors. “But the truth is that the Israeli Defense Forces should be given the Nobel Peace Prize … for fighting with unimaginable restraint.”

Dermer went on to compare Israel’s warfare with that of the United Kingdom during World War II, arguing that while he had no interest in criticizing Winston Churchill for his decision to repeatedly bomb civilians in Germany, the nearly 70-year-old historical example was a reminder that, when it comes to protecting civilian life, Israel could be doing much worse.

“[N]o one should accept criticism of Israel for acting with restraint that has not been shown and would not be shown by any nation on Earth,” Dermer continued. “I especially will not tolerate criticism of my country at a time when Israeli soldiers are dying so that innocent Palestinians can live.”

www.salon.com...

I think this guy lives on another planet. Comparing Israel's situation to that of Britain's in WW2. Stating that he won't tolerate criticism because Israeli soldiers are dying for the lives of innocent Palestinians. I mean, this guy seems to have some serious issues contemplating reality. Not to mention that these comments only display his perspective on the situations currently taking place...

That said, in regards to his statement about the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to the IDF, i only have one thing to say:

Considering the outright questionable awardings of previous Nobel Peace Prizes (Obama...), it actually wouldn't surprise me if they ever did present one to the IDF...

Further sources:

www.theguardian.com...
live.aljazeera.com...

It's the price of war, what do you expect? What war doesn't cause thousands if not millions of innocent deaths?

What would you do? Sit back and let your entire country be attacked 24/7?
Why do people think they should have reacted any differently?

The US would have just sent troops in without warning, at least the IDF gave warning and sirens long before they entered. Those people should have left when they had the chance, not let their pride get the best of them and scream "ALLAH WILL SAVE ME" There is common sense, and there is common ignorance.

Personally, I would have done the same, and not even think twice. It's the civilians fault for staying knowing Hamas has been setting up in their apartments and backyards.

They should be so lucky IDF didn't just tear their entire country apart.

Noble Peace Prize? Maybe not.

But bashing Israel because they're defending their homeland, get a gripe on reality any country would do the same, especially if they didn't have the Iron Dome at their disposal.

a reply to: TrustIsALie

The US would have just sent troops in without warning, at least the IDF gave warning and sirens long before they entered. Those people should have left when they had the chance, not let their pride get the best of them and scream "ALLAH WILL SAVE ME" There is common sense, and there is common ignorance.

So what if they give warnings it still doesn't make what they are doing right. Besides these people have nowhere to go Israel blocks one border and Egypt blocks the other.

They should be so lucky IDF didn't just tear their entire country apart.

Why would Israel want to do that? Without the constant "threat" from Hamas how would Israel cry and beg billions in money and free weapons from other nations. Israel not getting freebies from everyone makes Israel sad.

But bashing Israel because they're defending their homeland, get a gripe on reality any country would do the same, especially if they didn't have the Iron Dome at their disposal.

Why is it Israel is allowed to defend their homeland but Hamas isn't allowed to defend their homeland? Should they just stand by and let Israel invade their land kidnap hundreds of people and put them into prisons demolish peoples homes, murder people, and build settlements on land that doesn't belong to them. So why should Israel be allowed to do all these things but when Hamas fights back it's terrorism. Israel are the terrorist here Hamas are the freedom fighters.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: openyourmind1262

You propose full-scale genocide and the actual scarring of the earth in response to localized genocide? I really don't know what to say to that...

4.06 million Palestinians

600 deaths = Genocide???

I think the word "genocide" is being used a bit loosely here.

God Bless,

a reply to: ElohimJD

Well for one, you missed the adjective "localized" in front of it, and two that really doesn't matter with the point I was trying to make. If I had used the word massacre instead, would that have changed the fact that advocating the whole scale destruction of a country and its inhabitants by wiping them off the face of the earth is a grossly inhumane solution? If anything, it makes my point even more severe. Do you have anything to add to my point or is that?