Why are Americans siding with terrorists?

originally posted by: smithjustinb
The Palestine-Israeli conflict is not about land. Its about a group of people who think anyone who doesn't believe what they believe should die. Why are so many people ignorant to this? The Palestinians could live in peace in Israel if they stopped wanting to kill them because they're not Muslim. Why is Israel to blame? Israel's core belief doesn't demand that the Jews kill everyone that isn't Jewish. But there are 164 verses of Jihad in the Quran. So Palestinians wage war. How are so many people ignorant of this? How are you?

Its not Israels fault that crazy people want to and have always wanted to kill them because they aren't the same brand of crazy.

"Death to America. Death to Israel. Alahu Akbar"

How can you support people who have the same beliefs that caused 3000 people to die on 9/11 and 15000 soldiers to die defending you from them since then?

Your argument is, essentially, "they're Muslims so they're the bad guys because other Muslims are bad guys and Israel isn't Muslim so Israel is the good guy!"

I could go to Pam Gellar's website and find the same argument phrased more coherently... but still not any more persuasively.

It's ignorant, simpleminded nonsense, essentially no different from the pinheads who wave the Protocols of the Elders of Zion around and rave about "THE JOOZ!" Easier to roll your eyes back into your head and work up a froth about how "they" are all evil because of a broad commonality they share with other people you dislike, than to actually examine and learn about the issue.

The Israel-Palestine conflict is about territory and it is about rights. Some walleyed Derpa Derpa Mohammed Jihad dicks might want it to be about Muslims and Jews, but that's their problem and not the core of the conflict.

If it wasn't for Islam we would have world peace.

originally posted by: mattsawaufo
If it wasn't for Islam we would have world peace.

Well, in fairness, it would be more apt to suggest that if it were not for Islamic extremists, there would be a far greater likelihood of world peace. Unfortunately, a significant number of Muslims are extremists.

originally posted by: mattsawaufo
If it wasn't for Islam we would have world peace.

That is really the weirdest statement I have ever heard. If you can manage to irradiate Islam, what will you blame it on then?

It used to be the communists so I suppose it can be the communists again, but then of course you will also have the war mongers and the commercial industry that bases itself on war - have to have a way to support the entire industry you know...

And what of the non-Muslim entities running around waging war for land and resources? Well, I suppose they will be on the list for reasons we don't have world peace eventually.

Such statements befuddle me. We are humans and have been in one war after the other in every continent in every country since humanity existed. I don't think it will stop, regardless of people's reasoning for it. Islam is simply the flavor of the day.

a reply to: smithjustinb

What a load of absolute tripe. This conflict is about one group of people stealing land from another that wasn't theirs to steal. The Palestinians have acted in the same way that u would if someone came knocking at your door and said "i'm moving in here and you can get the hell out!".

You would fight for your home just as any normal person would. The conflict has nothing to do with religion, if the Palestinians were Buddhist monks I would expect them to act in the same way.

Don't believe the bs you read in western media outlets.

What's happening to the Palestinians is simply wrong!

originally posted by: jamespond
a reply to: smithjustinb

What a load of absolute tripe. This conflict is about one group of people stealing land from another that wasn't theirs to steal. The Palestinians have acted in the same way that u would if someone came knocking at your door and said "i'm moving in here and you can get the hell out!".

You would fight for your home just as any normal person would. The conflict has nothing to do with religion, if the Palestinians were Buddhist monks I would expect them to act in the same way.

Don't believe the bs you read in western media outlets.

What's happening to the Palestinians is simply wrong!

Sorry but that is too simplified a reason for this "conflict". It goes much deeper and longer than simply a bit of land stealing. Maybe Americans need Simplification of facts, but I do not.

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: BlackNWhite

originally posted by: smithjustinb
"Death to America. Death to Israel. Alahu Akbar"

How can you support people who have the same beliefs that caused 3000 people to die on 9/11 and 15000 soldiers to die defending you from them since then?

Have you ever wondered about why there is so much hate for the US and Israel in the "arab" world? Why arent they shouting "death to Germany" or 'death to Russia", "death to Argentina' ?
Ever thought about that?

No. I don't wonder. I already know.

Excerpt K 2:190-191
Set 2, Count 3+4 [2.190] ...fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you...[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

www.answering-islam.org...

And here we have another "Islamic scholar " using answeringislam.org

Firstly answering Islam has been refuted many times fold many Muslims including my self.

Its a bias propaganda site known for twisting Islamic text and inputting their own innovation of what they believe the verses mean.


Here's the real text from the verse

Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

Theses suras are are in a part of the Quran that talks about rules of war .

Its basically saying if they fight you then fight them , if they make peace with you then make peace with them.
Don't cause fitna meaning chaos..

So in other words don't go around being a jerk and killing without cause ..





It seems like answeringislam.org is popular on ATS

Deny ignorance and ask a real Muslim

Questions?

a reply to: smithjustinb

You seriously have no clue. Trust me when I say that

And here's serious question.

Why are the Israelis using These?

militaryanalysis.blogspot.com...

www.theguardian.com...

These flechette shells are used to produce mass casualties and not pin point Hamas rocket launch sites.

originally posted by: amazing
And here's serious question.

Why are the Israelis using These?

militaryanalysis.blogspot.com...

Because. That is all they have to say, in fact they don't have to say anything and don't.

a reply to: smithjustinb
Just so we are clear on the rules of war from Islams stance


Before engaging in battle, the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
instructed his soldiers:
1. “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick
person.” (Sunan Abu Dawud)
2. “Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta)
3. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees.
(Al-Muwatta)
4. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for
food.” (Al-Muwatta)
5. “If one fights his brother, [he must] avoid striking the
face, for God created him in the image of Adam.” (Sahih
Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)
6. “Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill
those sitting in places of worship. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn
Hanbal)
7. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the
cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the
cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud)
8. “Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to
God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to]
encounter them, exercise patience.” (Sahih Muslim)
9. “No one may punish with fire except the Lord of
Fire.” (Sunan Abu Dawud).
10. “Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and
to not do wrong even if they commit evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

What is happening in Gaza has nothing to do with religion.

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

What is happening in Gaza has nothing to do with religion.

Dont tell me that tell the OP that ..

He seems to think so .

Also please note i was adressing his post where by he posted twisted mistranslated ayat.

originally posted by: jamespond
a reply to: smithjustinb

What a load of absolute tripe. This conflict is about one group of people stealing land from another that wasn't theirs to steal.

Who would you have sided with in 638 when the Muslim Caliphate conquered the region with their army?

You do realize the Jews are the only people who ever occupied the region without conquering it, no?

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

What is happening in Gaza has nothing to do with religion.

You are dead wrong.

originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
a reply to: smithjustinb
Just so we are clear on the rules of war from Islams stance


Before engaging in battle, the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
instructed his soldiers:
1. “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick
person.” (Sunan Abu Dawud)
2. “Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta)
3. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees.
(Al-Muwatta)
4. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for
food.” (Al-Muwatta)
5. “If one fights his brother, [he must] avoid striking the
face, for God created him in the image of Adam.” (Sahih
Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)
6. “Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill
those sitting in places of worship. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn
Hanbal)
7. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the
cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the
cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud)
8. “Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to
God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to]
encounter them, exercise patience.” (Sahih Muslim)
9. “No one may punish with fire except the Lord of
Fire.” (Sunan Abu Dawud).
10. “Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and
to not do wrong even if they commit evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

You're posting the Islam rules of war? You think that is going to help you prove some point? Muslims kill non-muslims because they're non-Muslims. You don't think that is a significant point? You don't think that is a factor here? ctf on.

originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
a reply to: smithjustinb
Just so we are clear on the rules of war from Islams stance


Before engaging in battle, the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
instructed his soldiers:
1. “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick
person.” (Sunan Abu Dawud)
2. “Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta)
3. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees.
(Al-Muwatta)
4. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for
food.” (Al-Muwatta)
5. “If one fights his brother, [he must] avoid striking the
face, for God created him in the image of Adam.” (Sahih
Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)
6. “Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill
those sitting in places of worship. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn
Hanbal)
7. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the
cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the
cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud)
8. “Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to
God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to]
encounter them, exercise patience.” (Sahih Muslim)
9. “No one may punish with fire except the Lord of
Fire.” (Sunan Abu Dawud).
10. “Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and
to not do wrong even if they commit evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

You might want to pass the rules to the Muslim terrorists I don't think they got this memo.

originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere

Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

Meaning, "since they're not Muslim, it is justified".

What about this one from quran.com?

quran.com...

They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

originally posted by: mindtrix
a reply to: smithjustinb

You seriously have no clue. Trust me when I say that

Oh. Well if you say so.

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
a reply to: smithjustinb
Just so we are clear on the rules of war from Islams stance


Before engaging in battle, the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
instructed his soldiers:
1. “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick
person.” (Sunan Abu Dawud)
2. “Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta)
3. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees.
(Al-Muwatta)
4. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for
food.” (Al-Muwatta)
5. “If one fights his brother, [he must] avoid striking the
face, for God created him in the image of Adam.” (Sahih
Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)
6. “Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill
those sitting in places of worship. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn
Hanbal)
7. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the
cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the
cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud)
8. “Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to
God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to]
encounter them, exercise patience.” (Sahih Muslim)
9. “No one may punish with fire except the Lord of
Fire.” (Sunan Abu Dawud).
10. “Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and
to not do wrong even if they commit evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

You're posting the Islam rules of war? You think that is going to help you prove some point? Muslims kill non-muslims because they're non-Muslims. You don't think that is a significant point? You don't think that is a factor here? ctf on.

The "factor" is that people who kill Muslims and innocent people are concidred to be khuwarij

From their essentially political position, the Kharijites developed extreme doctrines that further set them apart from both mainstream Sunni and Shiʿa Muslims. The Kharijites were particularly noted for adopting a radical approach to Takfir, whereby they declared other Muslims to be unbelievers and therefore deemed them worthy of death.

These are extremist like the ISIS ,Taliban Ect.
Thir actions are acts of disbelief thus making them not Muslim.