Palestine is for the Palestinians ...only

originally posted by: adnanmuf

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: adnanmuf

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: adnanmuf

Your knowledge of history is somewhat flawed. The Goths did not wipe out the Celts and the Romans.

yes they did yes they did

No they didn't. The Goths never got as far as Britannia, they didn't occupy Gaul and while the Ostrogoths occupied Italy they were wiped out during the Gothic wars.

France from Free enge (freed enge tribe slaves at Frankfort (the forte where the freed enge people sent west (to free enge land France)!

Saxons (sons of saka , sons of Scythians, ie goths)
invaded britain and invited the enge tribe (goths) from germany (germany is the alternative name from Goths, who worship Germ god)
what about the visigoth?
France spain and england (enge tribe of the goths)

Where on earth are you getting your facts? The Franks were a Germanic people from Germania Magna. The Saxons were from North of Germania Magna. They were not Goths, who came from the Ukraine. The Visigoths were of course Goths and they invaded Southern Gaul, but were then pushed into Hispania by the Franks.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: adnanmuf

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: adnanmuf

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: adnanmuf

Your knowledge of history is somewhat flawed. The Goths did not wipe out the Celts and the Romans.

yes they did yes they did

No they didn't. The Goths never got as far as Britannia, they didn't occupy Gaul and while the Ostrogoths occupied Italy they were wiped out during the Gothic wars.

France from Free enge (freed enge tribe slaves at Frankfort (the forte where the freed enge people sent west (to free enge land France)!

Saxons (sons of saka , sons of Scythians, ie goths)
invaded britain and invited the enge tribe (goths) from germany (germany is the alternative name from Goths, who worship Germ god)
what about the visigoth?
France spain and england (enge tribe of the goths)

Where on earth are you getting your facts? The Franks were a Germanic people from Germania Magna. The Saxons were from North of Germania Magna. They were not Goths, who came from the Ukraine. The Visigoths were of course Goths and they invaded Southern Gaul, but were then pushed into Hispania by the Franks.

yes yes you are good, and the germans are the goths.
kudos for you

originally posted by: adnanmuf

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: adnanmuf

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: adnanmuf

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: adnanmuf

Your knowledge of history is somewhat flawed. The Goths did not wipe out the Celts and the Romans.

yes they did yes they did

No they didn't. The Goths never got as far as Britannia, they didn't occupy Gaul and while the Ostrogoths occupied Italy they were wiped out during the Gothic wars.

France from Free enge (freed enge tribe slaves at Frankfort (the forte where the freed enge people sent west (to free enge land France)!

Saxons (sons of saka , sons of Scythians, ie goths)
invaded britain and invited the enge tribe (goths) from germany (germany is the alternative name from Goths, who worship Germ god)
what about the visigoth?
France spain and england (enge tribe of the goths)

Where on earth are you getting your facts? The Franks were a Germanic people from Germania Magna. The Saxons were from North of Germania Magna. They were not Goths, who came from the Ukraine. The Visigoths were of course Goths and they invaded Southern Gaul, but were then pushed into Hispania by the Franks.

yes yes you are good, and the germans are the goths.
kudos for you

No, they are not. The Goths were an East Germanic people. They had nothing to do with the Saxons or the Franks. The Goths split into two factions, the Visigoths and the Ostrogoths. The Visigoths ended up in Hispania and eventually merged with the Hispanians and became the Spanish. The Ostrogoths were defeated by the Byzantines in the Gothic Wars, were shattered and reduced to a pathetic remnant that fled Italia and vanished. We don't know where that remnant ended up.

germany was named germany only after the german tribes crossed into germany from the easat according to Tacitis 50 BC.
the germans were the goths according to tacitus and Jordanes.
Jordanes was one of the Goths. Isidore of Seville was from the goths.
Jordanes wrote Getica the history of the Goths his people in 500 AD.
Tacitus a roman general fought the goths german tribes crossing the pitula river at gdansk west into the country that took their name later germany.
just like south britain was named after the enge trible. engle-terra where engle is one of the enge tribe, multiple of engle engles, england from eng-land.


Frankfort was named thus (Free-ange-fort) Fra ang fort.
the Franks from Fra-ang.


However, Saint [[Isidore of Seville]] (c. 560 – April 4, 636) wrote that the [[Goths including his fellow countrymen the [[Visigoths]] of Spain descended from Gog and Magog.[[citation|author=John B. O'Connor |url=http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08186a.htm |contribution=Saint Isidore of Seville |year=1910 |title=[[Catholic Encyclopedia.
In AD 387 Saint [[Ambrose]], Bishop of Milan, identified the Goths with Ezekiel's Gog.[www.newadvent.org... ''The Catholic Encyclopedia]
The 11th century historian [[Adam of Bremen]] considered Ezekiel's prophecy to have been fulfilled on the [[Swede]]s, a group related to the Goths.Adam of Bremen (2002). ''History of the Archbishops of Hamburg Bremen''. Columbia University Press. ISBN 0231125755 pp. 30-1 In [[1554]] [[Olaus Magnus]] argued that Japhet's second son Magog had been the ancestor of a Scythic tribe directly linked to the kings of the Goths and the Swedes. Queen [[Christina of Sweden]] reckoned herself as number 249 in a list of kings going back to Magog.
==Scots and Anglo-Saxons==
Scots ( Irish and Scotish peoples) descended from Magog, according to the Milesian genealogy.
Even the AngloSaxon genealogies acknowledge Magog as their forefather Sharon Turner, History of the Anglosaxons, Harvard University, v.1, 1840, (Digitized online Aug 22, 2005)



Bishop Ambrose of Milan, in composing his work De Fide sometime around 380 AD for the emperor Gratian, links the Gothi with the Biblical Gog, ruler of the land Magog, which is perhaps set to the north, and maybe connected with islands. Ambrose seems to have taken the occasion to place Gratian's struggle with the Goths in a more divine setting, since in Revelations 20.7-10, Gog is destined to compass 'the camp of the saints'. The genealogist Josephus, earlier writing the Antiquitates in 93-94 AD, links Magogites with Scythians; Josephus is directly quoted by the later Gothic historian Jordanes.
Jordanes, who wrote the Origins and Acts of the Goths or Getica in 550 AD in Constantinople. Though he wrote in Latin, Jordanes is unique among our sources because he is the only one who is himself a Goth. He states in his work that he relies on Gothic oral tradition, but nevertheless claims some personal acquaintance with the material he treats. He also mentions that he closely follows the written work of another historian, the Gothic History written by Cassiodorus, a Roman Senator in the 520s in the court of Theodoric the Great, the Ostrogothic king of Italy. He thrice mentions another historian, Ablabius, who perhaps wrote in the court of a Visigothic king.
The Getica gives an account of Gothic history from its inception, i.e. from the origin of the Gothic people to the time of writing, providing several concepts central to modern attempts to reconstruct Gothic history:
a. the Goths were originally in Scandinavia (more specifically, an island in or near Scandinavia), subsequently crossed the Baltic, migrated through Poland, and settled near the Black Sea;
b. by the time of the 3rd century, the Goths were divided into two groups: Visigoths and Ostrogoths;
c. the two groups of Goths were each led by royal families, the Balthi and the Amals.
Under the assumption that there are no new peoples, just the same peoples with new names and new locations (a typical motif of ancient history writing), Cassiodorus, and hence Jordanes, were able to equate the Goths with Scythians, Amazons, Getes, and Dacians: the Gothic kingdom was founded before Rome, and the Goths fought in the Trojan war. Under Berig the Goths crossed the Baltic in 1490 BC, and under Filimer they moved to the Black Sea only five generations later, i.e before any of the earliest mentions of the Goths.

www.utexas.edu...





Gildas a celt tells how the saxons torched his iland (britania) from shore to shore.

[www.fordham.edu...] Gildas. "De Exidio Brittaniae" : British American Books . June 1986

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I'm a bit confused. Tacitus was born in 56 AD. He wasn't alive yet in 50 BC. And his references to the 'Gothones' refer to them as being far to the East, beyond the Lugii. They certainly weren't Dacians either. Trajan conquered them in 101-102 AD. The Romans never went anywhere near the Vistula and Tacitus certainly never led an army against them.
As for the Scots, they originally came from Hibernia. Nowhere near Germania Magna.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: adnanmuf

I'm a bit confused. Tacitus was born in 56 AD. He wasn't alive yet in 50 BC. And his references to the 'Gothones' refer to them as being far to the East, beyond the Lugii. They certainly weren't Dacians either. Trajan conquered them in 101-102 AD. The Romans never went anywhere near the Vistula and Tacitus certainly never led an army against them.
As for the Scots, they originally came from Hibernia. Nowhere near Germania Magna.

Tacitus in his book Germania described the german tribes that were outside of europe in Eastern Europe( the lands east of vistula and the danube (Poland, Beloruse. Ukraine)
Tacitus said those tribes gave different names of themselves when started marching along the line from north to south, they called themselves Sorumati, Goths, German. they were stopped by the danube but they managed to cross the pitula in the north entering Europe for the first time in history (Europe was always Celts and Romans Haplogroup I and J2)

In the volkerwandering (gues what volker means, walking and what else? ) lasted 200 hundred years killing and pillaging all the inhabitants of Europe (no exception was allowed). Roman soldiers agreed to be beheaded to save their families. It laster 200 years. volkerwandrug is also named the first great migrations of Mankind.

The Goth started rolling in starting 50 BC (sorry).
Tacitus even mentioned the 22 tribes that rolled into germany , one of the tribes was named ange (english) who stayed in northern germany for few hundred years and then came to Britania.

Gildas and Bedes in the 5 and 7th century described how the Anglosaxons (ange tribe and mercinaries by the name Saka sona, sons of skythia)

the Scots came from Ireland (also Skythians, Scot=Scuthian, skythians called themselves Scoloti aka scot)

The current Europpeans who are the caucasian race (tall, blue or green eyes with blond hair and red skin) are originally from north of China (The Tokharians-tatar=the caucasian mummies in china and the Tarim basin), before they were in Northern china they were in a land to the east of china (now submerged under pacific ocean, the Atlantis continent which drowned in the Noah flood because they did not obey their prophet Noah) so they lost their homeland (Atlantis ) and headed west (GO WEST) they ve been heading ever since in long caravans (gypsies) in carts (cars).
they are still looking for new lands, because they destroy every land they stay in after 500 to 1000 years, because they use heathen practices like dumping their waste in rivers to hurt people down the river, or building dams to charge the people down river money for the river.

When they were in Atlantis they were black with blue eyes, but the mutation that caused blue eyes increased to include the skin and hair. The caucasians who stayed in their homeland (the aboriginies of Australia and Papua New Genea still have the caucasian features (caucasian skul of sunken eyes, heavy eyebrow bones and long space between nose and upper lips and big noses= same in aboriginies and europpeans).

Before they were in Atlantis they came from South of India as a branch from the Dravidians, there they only had straight hair just like some of the indioans (the untouchables). They immigrated (or deported) east to Atlantis.
Before they were in India, all the indians came from Africa (sindbad) on a boat (also deported )
So the people originated from india all are similar (arabs, kurds, greek, persians,arians, dravidians, celts romans and australian aboriginies and their offshoot the tockarians who are the current europpeans)

So now the consensus is that Palestinian belong to the Palestinians only.

a reply to: adnanmuf

since ancient Israelites did not immigrate out of Palestine)

The biggest lie you said out of the whole thing that was nothing but lies! Where is your proof for all these lies?

The Nation of Israel like you just stated existed in ancient times, back to Abraham.

The Nation of Palestine NEVER existed. Not since GOD made earth for humans. Just because some Brits who thought they knew better than anyone else in the world and who controlled the land at the time, decided to call the area Palestine after WW1. Palestine was a massive REGION in the middle east in BIBLICAL times. That region encompassed all of Israel, Jordan, Parts of Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Syria.

The UN set aside Pan Jordan for the Arabs and Israel for the Jews because the Arabs chased the Jews out of Israel hundreds of years ago!!

And before someone thinks about the Philistines that was in the Gaza area, I will remind you that they were the Giants in biblical times. Home of the evil the Fallen brought to mankind. This was the home of Goliath and the Jews were led by God around that area when they left Egypt so they would avoid them.

Your whole Arab propaganda of the Jews in Israel are not real Jews is pure Evil. Do you really think God is on your side when Israel has been outnumbered Ten to one since 1948 and still beat you Arabs, even with a rag tag army in 1949??

The so called Palestinians are Arabs and nothing more. The name Palestinians was made up by Yassar Arafat for god sakes!!

Following the fall of Babylon to the Persian king Cyrus the Great in 539 BCE, some Judean exiles returned to Jerusalem, inaugurating the formative period in the development of a distinctive Judahite identity in the Persian province of Yehud. Yehud was absorbed into the subsequent Hellenistic kingdoms that followed the conquests of Alexander the Great, but in the 2nd century BCE the Judaeans revolted against the Hellenist Seleucid Empire and created the Hasmonean kingdom.

Instead modern studies have revealed that the Israelites emerged from a dramatic social transformation of Canaanite nomads of the central hill country of Canaan around 1200 BCE, with no signs of violent invasion or even of peaceful infiltration of a clearly defined ethnic group from elsewhere.[7]

en.wikipedia.org...

Quote from Charles Krauthammer - The Weekly Standard, May 11, 1998 "Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store."

The rule of Israelites in the land of Israel starts with the conquests of Joshua (ca. 1250 BCE). The period from 1000-587 BCE is known as the "Period of the Kings". The most noteworthy kings were King David (1010-970 BCE), who made Jerusalem the Capital of Israel, and his son Solomon (Shlomo, 970-931 BCE), who built the first Temple in Jerusalem as prescribed in the Tanach (Old Testament). In 587 BCE, Babylonian Nebuchadnezzar's army captured Jerusalem, destroyed the Temple, and exiled the Jews to Babylon (modern day Iraq). The year 587 BCE marks a turning point in the history of the region. From this year onwards, the region was ruled or controlled by a succession of superpower empires of the time in the following order: Babylonian, Persian, Greek Hellenistic, Roman and Byzantine Empires, Islamic and Christian crusaders, Ottoman Empire, and the British Empire.

1917-1948 British Great Britain recognized the rights of the Jewish people to establish a "national home in Palestine". Yet they greatly curtailed entry of Jewish refugees into Israel even after World War II. They split Palestine mandate into an Arab state which has become the modern day Jordan, and Israel.

After the exile by the Romans at 70 CE, the Jewish people migrated to Europe and North Africa. In the Diaspora (scattered outside of the Land of Israel), they established rich cultural and economic lives, and contributed greatly to the societies where they lived. Yet, they continued their national culture and prayed to return to Israel through centuries.

www.science.co.il...

So the real Jews were never exiled out of their homeland hu? The world seems to disagree with you, At least the common sense people who know real history and do not have an evil agenda.

You all seem to think God is on your side while little Jewish Israel was a rag tag army till the 80s when the U.S. started helping. People do not remember that the U.S. almost went to war with Israel to stop them from pushing farther into Egypt in 73.


1948 War of Independence
1956 Sinai War
1967 Six Day War
1973 Yom Kippur War

All Jewish wins with God on their side. The Arabs only have a billion square miles of land, they just have to have little Israel as well. Its not that simple, they do not want the land as much as their evil masters want to slaughter Jews. Ask yourself why the Jews have been persecuted since the beginning of time?

Read this one web site for just a few minutes and your mouth will drop when you see how much hell the Jews have been put through since they were first kicked out of Israel.

www.eretzyisroel.org... This is pure Genocide!!!!!!!

I would also like to show that the Arabs are the leaders of causing Genocide. In one day ISIS slaughtered 1500 Christians in Iraq, 1500 IN ONE DAY!!!! It has taken Israel weeks to kill that many Hamas terrorist and the poor civilians that they hide behind.

www.liveleak.com... Warning, this is very graphic!

Now who is the worst?? Israel is not even close to Arab brutality, This is what would happen if Israel went back to the 67 borders!!! The Palestinians and most Arabs pray they can do this to the Jews every day!

My final say is this. The Arabs and Hamas keep starting these fights then complain to the world when Israel defends itself. Israel GAVE Gaza to the Arabs for peace and has only gotten war in return. The original peace deal states that Gaza is not supposed to ever have a standing army. Hamas is that army and they chased out Abass, stole all the U.S. supplied weapons the U.S. gave to him so he could police Gaza. Not once but twice. This is why Gaza has been blockaded all this time. If Hamas left tomorrow their would be peace and the innocent people of Gaza could finally have a decent life.

The world media was bought by Zionists starting early 20th century. They removed from, encyclopedia brittanica such definitions as khazar etymology word comes from Skythians and Ashkenazi word comes from Skythian too.Arminian historians referred to khazar as Hun many times. Koestler said the Ashkenazim Jews are the khazar and the mighty Huns and later did not disappear from the face of the earth. They are impostering as the Ancient Israelites. The ancient Israelites are continued in the Palestinians. They never left or deported.
A the magians under Ezra also impostered as the Jews and managed to add khazar

originally posted by: adnanmuf
The world media was bought by Zionists starting early 20th century. They removed from, encyclopedia brittanica such definitions as khazar etymology word comes from Skythians and Ashkenazi word comes from Skythian too.Arminian historians referred to khazar as Hun many times. Koestler said the Ashkenazim Jews are the khazar and the mighty Huns and later did not disappear from the face of the earth. They are impostering as the Ancient Israelites. The ancient Israelites are continued in the Palestinians. They never left or deported.
A the magians under Ezra also impostered as the Jews and managed to add khazar

Speaking as a member of the media and as someone with a history degree I can only say this: round objects.

Ha ha right like I believe a word from media and mediatours like you.

originally posted by: adnanmuf
Ha ha right like I believe a word from media and mediatours like you.

So you feel threatened by people who can refute your ludicrous theories? Really? Too bad.