Why do peole think that Jesus was god?

a reply to: Akragon

its still a rather impossible leap... going from not even believing he returned to suddenly claiming he is God, when no one before that moment even thought about it

That is the style of the writer of the Gospel of John, to have such proclamations come out of other people's mouths.

You are right! The bible never teaches that Jesus is God. It does call him mighty God but we also know there is an Almighty God that is separate from Jesus.
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a reply to: joeswinn

. . . It does call him mighty God . . .

I discussed that in two posts on this thread.
The Jewish translation of Isaiah 9:6, the "to us a child is born" verse, is different from a Christian Bible translation of the same verse, to where it switches from the son, to God, in the Jewish, and continues on as if it is still talking about the son, in the Christian version.

John 6
Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Revelation 15
Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee

Hebrews1
..hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

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Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man..

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but this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Philippians 2
but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Romans 10
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Luke 5
Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

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a reply to: nenothtu

Nenothtu: Emotions are emotions, and all have their place if properly managed - none are "negative" of themselves, they just "are". Any "negativity" associated with them is manufactured, and negativity can be and is associated with any of them. You classify "love" as "positive", yet I have seen it frequently used as a weapon, which I would classify as "negative".

I can't see that there ARE any "negative" or "positive" emotions, but I CAN see both negative and positive uses for every single one of them.

Oh! Nenothtu, you do have a good understanding in regards to human nature. The emotions of Anger and love of course can be used in both a destructive and constructive way. Negative and positive in regards to the emotions after all is only a way to describe something, just as we use the terms good and bad, and we shouldn’t get too tied up in them. But I can see now how I didn’t explain myself too well, so here goes. My knowledge comes from my training in Ayurvedic Medicine which is over 5,000 years old.

Nenothtu: Doubtlessly so classified by those who have been too often on the receiving end of an anger they don't know how to cope with, and therefore must classify it as a "disease of the mind" in order to try and demonize it, which is their only defense. Perhaps their time might be better used in finding out WHY they inspire such anger, rather than running away from it.

“Disease of the Mind” nearly everything comes from the mind. Yes “mind made diseases”. Ayurveda states that 85% of all diseases start in the mind before it filters through to the body.

These “diseases of the mind” is not something somebody made up, but has been known for centuries by various saints and Holy Men of the east such as Guru Nanak and Guru Arjuna, in those days there was time for much reflection into the mysteries of life, so these ancient Yogis made a study of the mind. In Chinese Medicine and Ayurveda these different emotions are a step down from the mind and senses and are each assigned to a body part or organ.

These five “diseases of the mind” affecting mankind, are also known as the five thieves or perversions of mind such as Greed, Lust, Anger, Attachment and Pride (or Ego) as the five major weaknesses of the human personality at variance with its spiritual essence, and are know as "thieves" because they steal a persons common sense.There are also five antidotes for these destructive emotions. Sikhism and Buddhism for instance also speak of these five coverings (pañca-āvaraṇa, 五蓋). One’s true mind is covered up by (1) greed, (2) anger, (3) stupor, (4) restlessness, and (5) doubt. I hope this throws more light on the meaning. These teachings are universal and are found in many different cultures.

As a householder, Guru ji continued to carry out the mission of his life – to lead people on the true path to God, to dispel superstition, to bring people out of ritualistic practises, to lead them directly to follow Gurbani without the need for priests and clergy, and to restrain and guard against the five thieves within – Pride, Anger, Greed, Attachment and Lust. During his time on Earth Guru Nanak was revered by both Hindus and Muslims.

a reply to: chiram

Ah, I misunderstood you. I thought you were approaching the subject from the perspective of modern clinical psychology, and so misapprehended your meaning in the matter of "diseases of the mind". I apologize.

Clinical Psychology as a "science" is a sore spot with me - I was married to a psychologist for several years, and learned more about psychology than anyone should have to endure during the course of her pursuit of a masters and a Phd. At that point, I came to view psychology as a pseudo-science, just an attempt to put a suit and tie on what amounts to little more than Haitian voodoo and make it academically respectable.

I see that's not the angle you were coming from.

a reply to: nenothtu

Psyche...from a Greek word meaning soul...etymology. I thought you should know this. This is religion..

Psychology...and religion is often associated with drugs..both today and in yesteryears. Music too.

Hope this helps clear up some things about Psychology and why you so see it.


And by the way nenothtu..some of the names they like to banter around in Psychology courses of the Philosphers..are Hume, Kant, Spinoza, Descarte, and others. They are discussed here in lesson 44 through 48 in "The Ever War".

There is also a description of something going on about us today called "dissonance" or in another form.."Cognative Dissonance."

About how people are controlled or silenced by Dissonance as a popular tool today. I have noticed this more and more often of late.
Tied in with Hegelian Dialectic..it is very interesting once you learn to spot and index it about you regularly. Particularly near election times as a control/fear agent.

Here..The Ever War

midnight-emissary.com...

This lecture series brings to Light a lot of things we see around us today..in science, religion, philosophy politics et al.

What the speaker also does is show where modern philosophy has been brought to us down the line of Plato to show that Plato through Decartes, Spinoza, Hume, Kant and others have brought us the mind set of social thinking making us conducive to todays Socialist/Communist mind set..particularly in todays public schools and colleges. It is designed to turn out this caliber of people ...or at least Atheists.

I have never heard anyone make this kind of connection though I have noticed that many people coming out of public schools in England, Australia, and now in America seem to be more and more leaning towards Atheism. This cannot be accidental..but deliberately fostered/cultivated to turn out this kind of product.

I am not against science per se..but science makes for a very very poor religion or to replace religion.
And I also know that politically ..science is not beyond selling it's own soul or the souls of others for lucre....fame. Just as does the body politic.

What the speaker is doing is showing where the Ever War..from the Garden of Eden is still going on today...only adapted to new thinking and re hashing or re boxing of olde principles to new technology or ways of doing things to get to the same olde results. Or as Solomon stated..There is no new thing under the sun.

Various aspects of both religions are shown here. God's Way and the other Occult Esoteric ways..in history up to today and how they manifest. How they have been in conflict and continue to so do today.

This is also one reason I don't follow the NIV Bibles ...as this pattern would be very difficult to follow in the newer versions. It is difficult enough to follow in the KJV but much more difficult in the sanitized sterile new versions of the Bible...where much of the Truth has been washed out.



You certainly don't have to buy into the religious aspects but the explainations of science and philosophy tied into religion is very very interesting and not what one gets from most information outlets or public schools.
This view and knowledge is not wanted by someone out there for us to know today.


Orangetom

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All throughout The Gospel of John. It says that Jesus is God. It says that The Word (The Light of Life) is God, and God was born in the flesh as Jesus:


"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1:1

"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." . - John 1:3

"He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not." - John 1:10

"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." - John 8:12

"If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him." - John 14:7

God is The Word, Christ, LOVE, The Light of Life, who was born in the flesh to teach remind us about The Light within us of LOVE:

"A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." - John 13:34-35

The Father and Son are one.
So the ONE has been divided into two when 'the father and son' are spoken of. Father would refer to the 'seeing' aspect and the son is referring to the 'appearance' aspect.
Father=seer and Son=seen.

But the ONE is SEEING.

Seeing or witnessing is all that exists............there is no subject or object to reality.

I think it is to enpower jesus. someone should survive.

originally posted by: Damla
I think it is to enpower jesus. someone should survive.

There isn't anyone.....so who needs to survive?

Jesus was Adam reincarnated just like he said in son of Man. He was the first and he will be the last version of man when we become like him. He wasn't God but a man who God lived in, the temple. He himself couldn't do # but the Father did things to point to him. The virgin birth was a complete lie to shoehorn this false belief. In fact, the entire image is wrong that you are worshipping when you think that. It is the Antichrist. Jesus being fully human was the whole point and because they don't know the nature of God they think he had to be born from a virgin. If that were true, mankind would have absolutely no hope.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

deja vu.

originally posted by: Damla
a reply to: Itisnowagain

deja vu.

a reply to: olaru12

It is my contention that there aren't any inconsistencies in the bible; just people who do not understand the bible. Of course, Jesus never claimed to be God. Too many people use verses such as those where Christ says "I and the Father are one" or "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also" as evidence of him being God. The problem is, people often misunderstand Who Jesus is and who the Father is.

See Also: Numbers 23:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Simply put, Jesus (the son of God [John 3:16]) is Adam (the son of God [Luke 3:38]) reincarnated. The Holy Spirit is God.

Now look at the Trinity's real meaning...

He is the...
FATHER: Adam [Father of all man]
SON: Yehoshua [descendant of Adam]
HOLY SPIRIT: God [incarnated with the Holy Spirit "God's Power and Authority"]

Adam returned as Jesus in order to atone for the loss via deception that occurred in the "Garden of Eden" - which in itself is another completely misinterpreted story. But in a nutshell, Man was given dominion over the Earth; Adam was deceived into giving that up to Satan (who became the imposter God over man); and then Jesus returned to claim back his and OUR inheritance.

I'm quite sure that this would bring many additional questions, as I have had many as I traversed the bible with my own questions and answers. But they are all eventually answered for those who continue to seek.

a reply to: roth1
Why do people think Jeff Warrens of FLDS is god?
Why do teenage hippie girls of the 60's worship Charles Mason as god?

1. Because Jeff Warrens and Charles Mason have charisma to attract the innocent gullibles. The very nature of serpent or Antichrist is charisma. The ability to persuade, charm and manipulate.

2. Because people allow themselves to be isolated, brainwashed and controlled by fear.

3. Because people are too naive to know and to have personal relationship with God. They have to rely on mad fake phedophilian men to misguide them. It doesn't need a genius to figure out fake Jesus. And it's literally written in the Bible, warning about the many Antichrist who will use Jesus's name. But do people heed Jesus' warning? No.

4. Because People are so desperate for new ideology and system, such as the hippies "summer love" in the 60's, they become so vulnerable to predator sick snakes. Especially teenage rebellious girls, who fancy paradise on earth by surrendering themselves to the serpents.

List of Antichrists or serpent masked men:
en.m.wikipedia.org...
www.toptenz.net...




“Jesus answered and said to them: ‘Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, “I am the Christ,” and will deceive many’ ” (Matthew 24:4, 5, NKJV)

“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it’ ” (Matthew 24:23-26, NKJV).