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originally posted by: Arbitrageur
""Would you agree that fundamental reality is a law abiding system of quantity and quality?" - me
I'm pretty sure there are natural laws. We may not know exactly what they are, but they exist. "System of quantity and quality" isn't well defined enough to agree or disagree,
This statement might have made sense in the 19th century, but today, not so much. We still have a lot to learn about the vacuum but what we do know is that it's not really nothing, so you seem to be trying to put your description of nature into a box that experiment after experiment tells us isn't such a good approach to understanding nature. Just as we discovered that lines between matter and energy are fuzzy when looking at the mass of a proton, we also see the lines between something and nothing are fuzzy when looking at the vacuum.
Maybe, but not the way some people think. For example we have people who make statements like that who don't seem to realize that Young's double slit experiment won't work on a bowling ball. But for people who understand the science there's no conflict between the fact that experiment works on an electron but not on a bowling ball.
originally posted by: dragonridr
PS one more gravity is a field and even if we don't measure it it's still there.
When the sun fuses 600 tons of hydrogen into 596 tons of helium every second, there are 4 tons of matter converted into energy as the atoms become larger. However in fission we make the atoms smaller instead of larger to convert mass into energy.
originally posted by: ImaFungi
So this is saying, the interacting source points of all events, are not necessarily completely the interactions of the tiniest particles in the universe. To be more explicit, atoms, molecules, biological systems, planets; are these things 'anything other than' just the smallest quanta, subatomic particles? What is that otherness? It is the interaction of the fields? Which still must be a somethingness/substance/fields cannot be nothing. Its like imagine just different sized marbles, imagine 999999999999999999999999999999 of them. The only difference is they are different sizes, imagining making a reality out of that.
a reply to: dragonridr
Electrons aren’t the only particles to consist of localized vibrations of a field; all particles do. There is a photon field, an up quark field, a gluon field, a muon field; indeed there is a field for every known particle. Back to how we know its a case of subtraction really. the electric field E at a point G in empty space is a vector quantity which can be measured by placing a small test charge q at that point, measure the force on q due to all other charges. The electric field at that point is given by the difrence between are charge and our readings.
I think so, but remember when I said that English alone was insufficient for physicists and that math is also a language of physics?
originally posted by: ImaFungi
Do you get what I am trying to ask?
What was posted were one patent application and one patent. I haven't seen anything for the application which is from 2008.
originally posted by: Nochzwei
Wonder if there is any prototype to show that the concept works in those 2 patents.
a reply to: mbkennel
The mass and energy of the infalling matter is added to the mass of the black hole. The mass is still there.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I want to know what happens to matter after it falls past the event horizon of a black hole.
I thought matter is energy and vice verse, and cannot be destroyed. Where does it go? How does something just get sucked up into a black hole and ... cease to exist?
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
The mass and energy of the infalling matter is added to the mass of the black hole. The mass is still there.
What causes a theoretical problem is the apparent loss of information and the experts are still debating this topic:
If there are an equal number of protons and electrons falling into the black hole, the all that charge gets added but the net charge is zero in that case. If for some reason the number of protons and electrons is unequal then whatever charge imbalance exists will be added to the black hole's existing net charge.
originally posted by: KrzYma
what about the charge ? does it get added too?
So when the NIST lab moves one of their clocks up a meter and it runs faster, are you saying that results from a change in electric field? Electric fields are much stronger than gravity so it would be very easy to test this electric field idea. You can e-mail NIST and ask them if they tried moving their clock in a region of varying electric field density. They seem pretty convinced their resutls are consistent with relativity meaning gravity would be affecting it, not an electric field.
if the cause for bending light is not gravity but electric field density which is slowing down time, or better said propagation speed, so called black hole seeming to be a time frozen region in space.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
If there are an equal number of protons and electrons falling into the black hole, the all that charge gets added but the net charge is zero in that case. If for some reason the number of protons and electrons is unequal then whatever charge imbalance exists will be added to the black hole's existing net charge.
originally posted by: KrzYma
what about the charge ? does it get added too?
So when the NIST lab moves one of their clocks up a meter and it runs faster, .
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
The mass and energy of the infalling matter is added to the mass of the black hole. The mass is still there.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I want to know what happens to matter after it falls past the event horizon of a black hole.
I thought matter is energy and vice verse, and cannot be destroyed. Where does it go? How does something just get sucked up into a black hole and ... cease to exist?
What causes a theoretical problem is the apparent loss of information and the experts are still debating this topic:
Black hole information paradox