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originally posted by: Bedlam
originally posted by: greenreflections
Earth and Moon do not rotate, what would cause the vortex.
Earth and moon very much DO rotate. Although gravity has nothing to do with vortices.
originally posted by: greenreflections
originally posted by: Bedlam
originally posted by: greenreflections
Earth and Moon do not rotate, what would cause the vortex.
Earth and moon very much DO rotate. Although gravity has nothing to do with vortices.
What gravity has to do with?
Where Einstein said about vortex in his GR?
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: greenreflections
Where Einstein said about vortex in his GR?
As far as I can tell, he said nothing about vortices.
What is up with your obsession with them? Gravity does not behave like a vortex. Vortices do no behave like gravity. There is no similarity.
Yes.
Then what was your take on different terms of bent, distorted or wrapped? Did you give one?
originally posted by: greenreflections
originally posted by: Bedlam
originally posted by: greenreflections
Earth and Moon do not rotate, what would cause the vortex.
Earth and moon very much DO rotate. Although gravity has nothing to do with vortices.
What gravity has to do with?
originally posted by: dragonridr
Einstine would say gravity doesn't exist it is simply frames moving...
In other words according to einstine gravity is simply an object heading towards you.
All evidence shows that humans act as if they have free will, and there is no evidence of mechanisms to believe otherwise. Even intrinsic chaos of theoretically deterministic systems (like brains if imagined classically, which is not the reality) is enough to make them sufficiently unpredictable so future behavior is sufficiently unconstrained by physics, and dominated by internal cognitive reasoning programs---i.e. human thought. Human brains have enough stored state which is externally invisible---so one must assume that humans have free will.
originally posted by: vjr1113
can someone tell me how strong a structure has to be to withstand 38k tons falling at freefall speed for about 12 feet?
originally posted by: greenreflections
originally posted by: Nochzwei
Contrary to Einstein, gravity is not a result of space time geometry.
Just lift a bucket of water and tell me if bent space is causing you to feel the weight of the bucket
a reply to: greenreflections
the weight of the bucket comes from two factors. Bucket is stretched from the bottom (along axes Z pointing toward Earth) and inner forces (QM forces) that will maintain bucket's shape. The stretch is not proportional, bucket is being pseudo pulled from the bottom along Z axes and inner forces that hold bucket in one piece will drag top part of the bucket to preserve its original, balanced shape.
I have probably two ways to verify my point.
Two dimensional object which has zero thickness positioned horizontal to gravity source will experience no gravity because it has Z=0. Only X and Y position.
Another silly one..
if we create a hologram in interstellar space and calibrate it to be precise square, for example, and then shoot same hologram from out side of gravity well to inside gravity well, we should see our holographic square become rectangular, elongated toward the center of gravity. That would show how volume of space-time is distorted compare to flat space-time.
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Thus goes back to the elevator if your in an elevator einstine said you can't tell if your moving. In fact suppose the etlevator was moving up you jump and the floor would head towards you. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and gravity. Well that is a huge clue into the reality of gravity.
Weight is the effect of QM forces of the bucket that are acting upon changed shape of the bucket. Thats where the trick of weight comes in. For as long as there is 'an obstacle' (Earth surface or your hand keeping the bucket from falling down), there will be effect of weight. If there are no obstacle, the object is weightless.
originally posted by: KrzYma
a reply to: greenreflections
Weight is the effect of QM forces of the bucket that are acting upon changed shape of the bucket. Thats where the trick of weight comes in. For as long as there is 'an obstacle' (Earth surface or your hand keeping the bucket from falling down), there will be effect of weight. If there are no obstacle, the object is weightless.
what QM forces ??
what is a quantum mechanical force ???
the mathematical strong force ??
it's a myth, an mathematical construct to hold the theoretical grain particles together.
look, we know like charges repel ( nobody knows why... "facepalm" )
the theoretical atom model puts those grains (protons) together to get a nucleus, but this is an dilemma, those "spheres" should repel and fly away from each other...
..so, one "smart guy" said, there must be a force holding them together !!!
and so, strong force was invented
nobody saw it, nobody touched it... all mathematical invention for the purpose of a theory.