250M AMERICANS INFECTED – THE AMERICAN PARASITE

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: Pardon?

This article addresses some of the issues you have addressed. Now this is not one of my scientific sites, just a summary I once evaluated and verified by investigating real research evidence. Some of these kind of sites are dead on meaning they have done much investigation and some trial and error learning...which means they needed to research deeper into things. glutendoctors.blogspot.com...

I'm not saying everything on this site is real, I only investigated the gluten/glutamine and glutamate connections and metabolic pathways. I pretty much understand this subject, but always have more to learn....unlike you who seems to know everything already and does not research anything with an open mind that does not coincide with your beliefs.

Shall we get things straight here?
First of all, even though gluten and glutamine sound similar their only connection is that glutamine is one of the amino-acids found in the protein gluten (as well as all of the other amino acids in gluten such as prolin, valine, cysteine and serine.) Glutamine, being an amino-acid is found in thousands of other proteins too.
So, your statement that "gluten causes glutamine" is false and given your refusal to back it up with any evidence whatsoever I'd suggest that you already know this.

I'm afraid the site you've linked to lacks any scientific credence.
What leads me to think this?
Firstly there are several assertions and statements made on that page which, if it was a real scientific article would be fully linked to. They're not.
Secondly, there's a book at the bottom for you to buy (and books down the side etc).
Thirdly, neither of the authors have any research publications listed on Pubmed (or anywhere else I've looked).
And lastly, the whole premise of Gluten Sensitivity is fabricated (a bit like candida overgrowth...).
The only people who have gluten "sensitivity" are people suffering with coeliac disease. End of.

I very much enjoyed your attempt at diverting from your obvious lack of comprehension and your gullibility around this subject by suggesting that I have a closed mind and that I know everything.
Far from it.
My "mind" changes with real evidence (you know, robust and reproducible research papers rather than quack-laden books for sale on Amazon).
And if I did feel I knew everything then I would probably have myself committed to the nearest mental institution for evaluation.
Oh, and I don't do beliefs.
Thank you for that. You've certainly confirmed what I believe about you and your "knowledge".

originally posted by: mclarenmp4
a reply to: Pardon?

It's not a belief, you can read my story on the 1st page and I can assure you that my panic attacks/anxiety/agorophobia stemmed from systemic candida. I could visually see them dying off as I went through my treatment 1st through water fasting and then by the protocol I used.
It was not something in my mind, I had visible die off of them coming out of my urine, I also suffered from a condition called angular chelitis which would occur at least once a week and there is no cure for it or even any recognised treatments for it.
What I would have to use is Canesten Hydrocortisone which is used for yeast infections on the open sores and they would go only for them to return within a week.
Since I rid myself of candida I no longer get angular chelitis which according to Wikipedia and I quote "Where Candida species are involved, angular cheilitis is classed as a type of oral candidiasis, specifically a primary (group I) Candida-associated lesion"
If you are really in the business of physiology I would suggest you should change your profession as you have no clue what you are talking about regarding this condition.

I would debate quite strongly that what you saw coming out in your urine probably wasn't candida.
Unless of course you made cultures using swabs from your urine and studied them under a microscope.
There are plenty of conditions which make urine look cloudy although in your case it was probably dehydration from your water fasting.

I would also debate quite strongly that you didn't have systemic candidiasis either as your symptoms don't fit in the slightest.
Systemic candidiasis symptoms are life-threatening and have a quite high mortality rate.

You certainly may have had multiple local infections of candida though.

And there are plenty of treatments for angular chelitis, I don't know why you say there's no cure (unless you're trying to make your condition sound more dramatic that it is/was).
It also can be caused by a bacterial infection, not just candida.

So if it's okay with you I'll stay doing what I'm doing thanks.

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: Pardon?

I have a question since you say you are a physiologist. I was reading an article that addressed how goiterogens work. It addressed isothiocyanates actually increasing the activity of the thyroid by locking to the same receptors that Iodine attach to. The article was written by someone who seemed extremely knowledgeable in this subject. The article said that the cyanide compound exited the thyroid but led to cysts and swelling over a period of time if the foods were eaten too frequently. I can't find any articles to verify or to discount this information when I search. The method of how certain foods can cause disease of the thyroid is an interest of mine. I know how to cancel out the negative effects of broccoli, but would still like to understand the way it causes the problems it does because foods like the condiment mustard contain isothiocyanates created by the addition of vinegar to the ground mustard seed. Mustard has lots of beneficial properties if eaten at the right time, I am trying to figure out the timing of consumption and relating it to symptoms.

Because I disagree with your assertion in one kind of study does not mean I disagree with your knowledge of other things. You might have the knowledge to help me with this curiosity.

My very basic reply to that would be to always eat a balanced diet.
Your body has multiple ways of maintaining homeostasis.
(Unless of course you have a pre-existing thyroid condition then consult a professional. A real one).

Oh, and read proper research, not just someone's take on a subject if you wish to understand a biological process.

originally posted by: Pardon?


I would debate quite strongly that what you saw coming out in your urine probably wasn't candida.
Unless of course you made cultures using swabs from your urine and studied them under a microscope.
There are plenty of conditions which make urine look cloudy although in your case it was probably dehydration from your water fasting.

Yeah good one, dehydration during a water fast when you are required to drink between 3-4 litres of water a day. That's quite amusing.

I would also debate quite strongly that you didn't have systemic candidiasis either as your symptoms don't fit in the slightest.
Systemic candidiasis symptoms are life-threatening and have a quite high mortality rate.

You are talking about candidemia not candidiasis but I'm sure you knew this and that was just a mistake....

You certainly may have had multiple local infections of candida though.

And there are plenty of treatments for angular chelitis, I don't know why you say there's no cure (unless you're trying to make your condition sound more dramatic that it is/was).
It also can be caused by a bacterial infection, not just candida.

Yes it can be, well done you got 1 thing correct.
The problem being, why would a bacterial infection be stopped by the use of an over the counter anti-fungal/yeast drug? Probably because it was a fungal infection and not bacterial.
Maybe because I've been treated for it by 3 doctors who gave me treatments that didn't work and then was told by 1 doctor to look up online a treatment using vasaline because they had no cure for my condition. It was only after reading online that canesten hydrocortisone works that I managed to get it under control.
I can't tell the chemist what I purchase it for or they won't sell it to me, i have to tell them it's for jock itch which is another symptom of systemic candida.
So you still believe that even though I had candida coming out of my skin in my shin/groin/mouth that these were just local infections? Even though I cured all conditions of candidiasis using 1 method which I detailed on the 1st page and it wasn't the water fast that cured it, that only allowed me to see what was in my system.

I refer you to this persons testimonial who like me found that Candida was causing anxiety/panic/agorophobia, it was almost exactly what I went through for the last 15 years. I didn't read this until after I finished my treatment and was healthy again.

Depression linked with Candida

Well yet again I'll stick with my original suggestion to you, thanks.

a reply to: rickymouse
Here's the link the article I read can be found. I might add, that while looking for it once more, when I did a search on candida, parasites and heavy metal poisoning, I came up with a page full of information on that specific set of conditions, so there's a lot out there about this very issue, apparently.
tetra
naturalcandidacleansing.com...

a reply to: Pardon?

I am looking for research to either prove or disprove this information about the concept of the goiterogens effect on the thyroid. I have seen some that implies it is true, searching for reputable research but it appears that it is not fully understood in the sciences by most, I wish I would have saved the link to the article I mentioned, it had many references linked to it.

You are right about moderation, what I study is what all these foods have in common for the purpose of moderation.

Gluten intolerance is real. So is candida overgrowth. What I am trying to find is why these things happen. What is missing from the diet that we used to consume that helped to control these things in many. I do not have a gluten intolerance, I have a problem with combining many foods that are related though. Similar chemistry occurs in breads, tomatoes, pasta, grains, and even meats and plants that if overconsumed can cause imbalances. I try to identify what all these foods have in common and what is missing from the diet that our ancestors consumed to control this from happening. Very few people had these problems before, it is something that has appeared in the last twenty years in increasing numbers.

It is not overconsumption of sugars alone that cause this to occur, it is a compromised diet. It may have something to do with avoiding saturated animal fats in appropriate amounts. These can help moderate candida. Too many glutamates can compromise things also, they can overload the receptors causing a dieoff of receptors. Too many tyramines can also cause similar problems. Mineral deficiencies and vitamin deficiencies can also cause this, but remember candida also make B vitamins as their weapons so a b vitamin deficiency is probably not a problem but a cyano overload is possible. If the information about the cyanide and thyroid is real, it would explain a lot.

I know many people who extremely lowered gluten consumption and they are all doing a lot better. So there is something to that. You cannot say they all are nuts, there is a connection. They did not lower carb consumption either, they just switched their sources. Most of these people did not test as allergic to gluten. So there is another reason other than antigens that is causing this. Something that needs to be discovered, possibly a metabolic pathway that has been jeopardized. Now, if everyone researching this stuff was to need scientific evidence to show something, how could anyone find the cure for things. We can't be only accepting things that are already discovered, we need to examine the unknown that is possibly applicable to what we are researching.

You may be a specialist in the field you say you are, but you have limited yourself to just believing in research that others have already done. I bet you have not even done one test on yourself on anything, you just read research without examining the parameters of the testing or the things that are excluded from the research.

You have to read the whole articles, not just what you want to see to find out what the research applies to. I find half of these peer review articles to have severe limitations yet the title implies that it can be applied to everything. I read the whole article most times. Finding the parameters is number one in my book.

There is a lot of research on gluten intolerance, but the research just states that they do not completely understand the metabolic pathways....that does not make it wrong, it just means they need to research it better.

originally posted by: tetra50
a reply to: rickymouse
Here's the link the article I read can be found. I might add, that while looking for it once more, when I did a search on candida, parasites and heavy metal poisoning, I came up with a page full of information on that specific set of conditions, so there's a lot out there about this very issue, apparently.
tetra
naturalcandidacleansing.com...

Interesting article, seems that the candida can exist in a little higher mercury environment. This could give them the edge over some other microbia in the gut. So to chelate out the mercury you could use more sulfur foods and also some foods higher in molybdenum to keep the sulfur/sulfite balance from leaning towards sulfites. So the mercury could be coming from the fillings I suppose or from foods that we eat. Mercury is in all food in small quantities because it is present everywhere.

But foods usually high in molybdenum are foods containing starches and that can help the candida. Kind of a catch 22

I suppose cooked broccoli in an omlet would be all right for that. Broccoli is high in molybdenum but contains so many goiterogens it will dampen your ability to fight. Just cook the broccoli to get rid of those bad effects.

originally posted by: mclarenmp4

originally posted by: Pardon?


I would debate quite strongly that what you saw coming out in your urine probably wasn't candida.
Unless of course you made cultures using swabs from your urine and studied them under a microscope.
There are plenty of conditions which make urine look cloudy although in your case it was probably dehydration from your water fasting.

Yeah good one, dehydration during a water fast when you are required to drink between 3-4 litres of water a day. That's quite amusing.

I would also debate quite strongly that you didn't have systemic candidiasis either as your symptoms don't fit in the slightest.
Systemic candidiasis symptoms are life-threatening and have a quite high mortality rate.

You are talking about candidemia not candidiasis but I'm sure you knew this and that was just a mistake....

You certainly may have had multiple local infections of candida though.

And there are plenty of treatments for angular chelitis, I don't know why you say there's no cure (unless you're trying to make your condition sound more dramatic that it is/was).
It also can be caused by a bacterial infection, not just candida.

Yes it can be, well done you got 1 thing correct.
The problem being, why would a bacterial infection be stopped by the use of an over the counter anti-fungal/yeast drug? Probably because it was a fungal infection and not bacterial.
Maybe because I've been treated for it by 3 doctors who gave me treatments that didn't work and then was told by 1 doctor to look up online a treatment using vasaline because they had no cure for my condition. It was only after reading online that canesten hydrocortisone works that I managed to get it under control.
I can't tell the chemist what I purchase it for or they won't sell it to me, i have to tell them it's for jock itch which is another symptom of systemic candida.
So you still believe that even though I had candida coming out of my skin in my shin/groin/mouth that these were just local infections? Even though I cured all conditions of candidiasis using 1 method which I detailed on the 1st page and it wasn't the water fast that cured it, that only allowed me to see what was in my system.

I refer you to this persons testimonial who like me found that Candida was causing anxiety/panic/agorophobia, it was almost exactly what I went through for the last 15 years. I didn't read this until after I finished my treatment and was healthy again.

Depression linked with Candida

Well yet again I'll stick with my original suggestion to you, thanks.

So you still can't tell me it was candida in your urine can you?
You believe it was, nothing more.

So there IS a cure/treatment for angular chelitis.
Why did you say there wasn't?

So you could see the infections in your shim/groin/mouth?
That sounds like they were topical.

Do you know what systemic means?
Then you will understand why systemic candidiasis and candemia are pretty much the same things.

Then you throw a testimonial at me as proof even though it proves nothing, it just fits what you believe.
Well you've convinced me.

I'm glad my employees know a bit more than you.

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: Pardon?

I am looking for research to either prove or disprove this information about the concept of the goiterogens effect on the thyroid. I have seen some that implies it is true, searching for reputable research but it appears that it is not fully understood in the sciences by most, I wish I would have saved the link to the article I mentioned, it had many references linked to it.

You are right about moderation, what I study is what all these foods have in common for the purpose of moderation.

Gluten intolerance is real. So is candida overgrowth. What I am trying to find is why these things happen. What is missing from the diet that we used to consume that helped to control these things in many. I do not have a gluten intolerance, I have a problem with combining many foods that are related though. Similar chemistry occurs in breads, tomatoes, pasta, grains, and even meats and plants that if overconsumed can cause imbalances. I try to identify what all these foods have in common and what is missing from the diet that our ancestors consumed to control this from happening. Very few people had these problems before, it is something that has appeared in the last twenty years in increasing numbers.

It is not overconsumption of sugars alone that cause this to occur, it is a compromised diet. It may have something to do with avoiding saturated animal fats in appropriate amounts. These can help moderate candida. Too many glutamates can compromise things also, they can overload the receptors causing a dieoff of receptors. Too many tyramines can also cause similar problems. Mineral deficiencies and vitamin deficiencies can also cause this, but remember candida also make B vitamins as their weapons so a b vitamin deficiency is probably not a problem but a cyano overload is possible. If the information about the cyanide and thyroid is real, it would explain a lot.

I know many people who extremely lowered gluten consumption and they are all doing a lot better. So there is something to that. You cannot say they all are nuts, there is a connection. They did not lower carb consumption either, they just switched their sources. Most of these people did not test as allergic to gluten. So there is another reason other than antigens that is causing this. Something that needs to be discovered, possibly a metabolic pathway that has been jeopardized. Now, if everyone researching this stuff was to need scientific evidence to show something, how could anyone find the cure for things. We can't be only accepting things that are already discovered, we need to examine the unknown that is possibly applicable to what we are researching.

You may be a specialist in the field you say you are, but you have limited yourself to just believing in research that others have already done. I bet you have not even done one test on yourself on anything, you just read research without examining the parameters of the testing or the things that are excluded from the research.

You have to read the whole articles, not just what you want to see to find out what the research applies to. I find half of these peer review articles to have severe limitations yet the title implies that it can be applied to everything. I read the whole article most times. Finding the parameters is number one in my book.

There is a lot of research on gluten intolerance, but the research just states that they do not completely understand the metabolic pathways....that does not make it wrong, it just means they need to research it better.

I'll say it again, only coeliacs need worry about gluten.
Everyone else is jumping on the diet-fad wagon.

Same with candida overgrowth.

Unless of course you can show me robust research to prove otherwise.
Not just articles though. They're usually pretty worthless.

Oh, could you point me to research you've performed and had published please then I'll point you towards some of mine?
Thanks.

a reply to: rickymouse
I wondered if you cared to give your opinion on the regimen of products recommended in that article, as you had indicated you would. There's information on colon cleansing, first, supplementing with some probiotics, then the chelation cleanser they recommend, adding zeolite after two weeks of that, five days on chelator, 10 days off but adding zeolyte, then a candida cleansing product they are recommending…..
tet

a reply to: Pardon?

www.nlm.nih.gov...

www.lef.org... Page two talks about Intestinal Candidiasis

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... Talks about all kinds of overgrowths in intestines

The actual cause of all these things is a weakened immune system which limits our ability to fight these things. What is weakening it is the question. Now the intestinal overgrowth of these albacons or other imbalances of gut flora is real. It does happen and not everyone can appropriately fight these things. I blame it on dietary changes in the Western Diet, throwing away proven ways of preparing foods our ancestors had. You can't change a diet that fast, it takes many generations.

Now, the changes in diet to lower candida also would lower any overgrowth in the intestines, some cases are probably candida and others are other imbalances of microbia. But the doctors don't address anything around here so the people stay sick. So they do the candida diet and it works.

They don't enrich the flour in the UK most times, so your problems there may not be so evident. What do they use to enrich the flour here, the excretions of brewers yeast, the B vitamins. This is not the best of choices in my book.

Maybe in your country the problem does not exist.

a reply to: tetra50

I take a multimineral tablet containing molybdenum and selenium and some copper. It allows me to eat more sulfur foods which slowly takes care of these problems of heavy metals. It also helps me to process acetylaldehydes better. I wouldn't have a problem with that if I was still working construction, you can sweat out acetelandehydes.

I suppose I could take a sauna a couple times a week like my ancestors did to get rid of the acetylaldehyde..

The product for chelation probably works. But there are many ways to do chelation that have no extra cost. You could use Cilantro to chelate, but if your kidneys are not working right, the heavy metals released into the bloodstream from the bones and cells could cause problems if they are not excreted. This should be done slowly. There are a number of reasons that liver function or kidney function could get compromised, including dumping lots of heavy metals into the blood from chelation itself.

I take a multivitamin once a week, in place of my multimineral. I get enough vitamins in our food preparation, but the minerals get bound and aren't always accessible. Not enough stomach acid I guess.

I would be interested to find if it works, but it probably won't do much for me. I really don't have an imbalance anymore that I know of. I did a colon cleanse a few years ago and did some repopulating....My body does not like lactobacilli though. They all have that in them. My uncle delivered ice cream and milk when I was young and he brought a lot of outdated stuff to our house for free. We had an eight foot freezer full of ice cream, more choices than any ice cream parlor. I guess I got allergic to milk from that, so did my brother...it's not lactose intolerance, my body attacks the microbes. My granddaughter was tested with a true allergy. I guess somehow it got passed on but I do not know how. Probably epigenetic. Now, I can drink milk once a week or so without it bothering me too much. Probiotics stimulated a histamine reaction though. So I can't really test this stuff on myself to give an opinion of how it works that pertains to others. I have no problem eating fishy smelling fish though, that Norwegian fermented herring isn't bad at all. I like Kimmche also, must be a different strain of the microbe.

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: Pardon?

www.nlm.nih.gov...

www.lef.org... Page two talks about Intestinal Candidiasis

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... Talks about all kinds of overgrowths in intestines

The actual cause of all these things is a weakened immune system which limits our ability to fight these things. What is weakening it is the question. Now the intestinal overgrowth of these albacons or other imbalances of gut flora is real. It does happen and not everyone can appropriately fight these things. I blame it on dietary changes in the Western Diet, throwing away proven ways of preparing foods our ancestors had. You can't change a diet that fast, it takes many generations.

Now, the changes in diet to lower candida also would lower any overgrowth in the intestines, some cases are probably candida and others are other imbalances of microbia. But the doctors don't address anything around here so the people stay sick. So they do the candida diet and it works.

They don't enrich the flour in the UK most times, so your problems there may not be so evident. What do they use to enrich the flour here, the excretions of brewers yeast, the B vitamins. This is not the best of choices in my book.

Maybe in your country the problem does not exist.

Yep, they pretty much confirm what I've been saying.
Candida overgrowth as discussed in this thread i.e. one which causes non-specific symptoms like headaches, paranoia (!) etc does not exist.
I've always maintained that there are forms of candida infection but it's not the epidemic that fad-diet promoters are pushing.
Neither is it that difficult to treat.

A weakened immune system is not the CAUSE as you state.
It's a contributory factor.
And it's a REAL weakened immune system due to an existing disease not the "weakened immune" system promoted by woo pushers.

So you criticise me for reading other people's studies then post other people's studies yourself...

Where is the published research you yourself have performed?
Who has validated it?

And as yet, after several times of asking, you still have not explained how gluten causes glutamine.
Even though you've stated it more than once.

If I wasn't such a trusting person I would say that you make things up to suit your agenda...