Four kids, two adults shot dead near Houston

a reply to: HauntWok

then why do we need another LAW?????

Legal gun owners are fed up with progressive liberal who know nothing about current laws. no nothing about enforcement of current laws, and propose another new law to fix a problem that has been legislated about and not acted upon.

legal gun owners are fed up with suggestions that the blame lies on their doorstep.

legal gun owners are fed up with the push for laws that further infringe on the right to legally own an arm.


ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS OBAMA AND HOLDER. AND SCHUMER AND BIDEN AND FEINSTEIN.

stop trying to push for a new law

a reply to: spirited75

The blame isn't on their doorstep? Really?

It sure as hell isn't on the doorstep of the victims of gun violence.

Is that what it is? We're blaming the victim now? They shouldn't have gotten in the way of the almighty gun owners sacred bullets if they didn't want to die?

The holy gun owner now judge jury and executioner now above all incrimination by virtue of his sacred gavel the firearm.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) claims that it supports vigorous enforcement of our nation's gun laws and efforts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Yet the NRA has actually worked to put guns back into criminals' hands. Following is the saga of the federal "relief from disability" program. The NRA has worked to expand and protect this guns-for-felons program that has rearmed thousands of convicted—and often violent—felons.

www.vpc.org...

a reply to: HauntWok

hysterical.

your reply has no rational, logical or reality based connection to
what I posted and what you responded to.

I would just chalk it up to lack of sleep since it is 4 am in Estes Park,
however it falls easily into your history throughout this entire thread.

originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: spirited75

The blame isn't on their doorstep? Really?

It sure as hell isn't on the doorstep of the victims of gun violence.

Your talking about the blame being on the doorstep of gun owners who break the law are not legal gun owners. are they, are they in your mind --- is a legal gun owner equated with an illegal gun owner in your mind?

Is that what it is? We're blaming the victim now? They shouldn't have gotten in the way of the almighty gun owners sacred bullets if they didn't want to die?

The holy gun owner now judge jury and executioner now above all incrimination by virtue of his sacred gavel the firearm.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) claims that it supports vigorous enforcement of our nation's gun laws and efforts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Yet the NRA has actually worked to put guns back into criminals' hands. Following is the saga of the federal "relief from disability" program. The NRA has worked to expand and protect this guns-for-felons program that has rearmed thousands of convicted—and often violent—felons.

www.vpc.org...

a reply to: HauntWok

In 1992, after the Violence Policy Center publicized the details of the program, Congress added language to ATF's annual appropriations bill prohibiting the agency from using federal funds to review "relief" applications from felons (such spending prohibitions must be renewed every year).


hello the link to this relief program stated that funding was ceased TWENTY YEARS AGO.

20 years ago.

a reply to: spirited75

www.vpc.org...

Washington, DC —States with weak gun violence prevention laws and higher rates of gun ownership have the highest overall gun death rates in the nation, according to a Violence Policy Center (VPC) analysis of new data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Injury Prevention and Control.

Meanwhile, states with the lowest overall gun death rates have lower rates of gun ownership and some of the strongest gun violence prevention laws in the nation. However, even in these states the human toll of gun violence remains unacceptably high and far exceeds the gun death rate in most Western industrialized nations.

The VPC analysis is based on data newly released this week and refers to overall gun death rates in 2011, the most recent year for which data is available.

Yeah, pretty much.

The more I look into this issue, the more pro pro gun propaganda i find is completely false.

If guns were so awesome and good, and "legal" gun owners so responsible, why do we have so many deaths in this nation from gun violence?

Is it because the gun culture glorifies gun violence? Sexualises it?



Maybe.

a reply to: HauntWok

this assumes the government has done nothing to deserve being overthrown.

it's not terrorism.

and there is a HUGE difference between talking about something, and actually making a plan and executing it....

don't kid YOURself...

a reply to: HauntWok

that "article" is FULL of outdated information.....not to mention it is disingenuous, and deliberately misleading.

you've got a table of "gun death rates" from 2011, mixed with gun ownership stats from 2002/2005, and then a short table, that cherry picks states that make what they say look correct...skewed numbers, and all that.....comparing walnuts to boulders....

alaska? less than a million people live there....meanwhile, hawaii, a small island chain, has somewhere around DOUBLE the population of alaska...these numbers are nonsense.

this "article" of yours is nothing more than anti-gun propaganda, with cherry-picked stats....it's a complete fabrication..

Another town, another mass shooting.

Boy these happen a lot!



Quick gun lobby, get us back to apathy! If people actually think about the human cost here, they might think that there's a problem that needs to be addressed!

originally posted by: HauntWok


Boy these happen a lot!
!

in your opinion.


As of 1992, the incidence of murder-suicide in the United States and other western countries was shown to be stable throughout the previous 40 years. The incidence did not change even though the homicide-only rates may have been higher in one area or extremely low in another. In 1983, Coid6 reviewed 17 studies from 1900 until 1979 that involved 10 nations and found that the murder-suicide incidence was surprisingly similar and constant. He found the incidence to be between 0.2 and 0.3 per 100,000.

The results of this review show that the incidence of murder-suicide remains at under 0.001%.
www.jaapl.org...


in your opinion however a man who studied this specific type of crimes
found that they have remained stable for the past sixty years.

this study was well researched and not some off the cuff,
emotional reasoned response to an unfortunate tragedy.

originally posted by: HauntWok
The more I look into this issue, the more pro pro gun propaganda i find is completely false.

If guns were so awesome and good, and "legal" gun owners so responsible, why do we have so many deaths in this nation from gun violence?

Is it because the gun culture glorifies gun violence? Sexualises it?

Maybe.

What, you don't think that women have a right to self defense? That since they are women they should just lie back and take it? That's pretty sexist, IMHO.

a reply to: NavyDoc

What, you don't think that women have a right to self defense? That since they are women they should just lie back and take it? That's pretty sexist, IMHO.

Last time I checked, firearms were gender neutral, not a male or a female.

a reply to: HauntWok

lol, you'll call ANYTHING a "mass shooting", if it lets you keep bashing gun owners, and talking your nonsense, won't you?

originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: NavyDoc

What, you don't think that women have a right to self defense? That since they are women they should just lie back and take it? That's pretty sexist, IMHO.

Last time I checked, firearms were gender neutral, not a male or a female.

You were the one making a sexist argument.

a reply to: NavyDoc
I was not, and you know it. The video itself, an NRA ad, is sexist.

originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: NavyDoc
I was not, and you know it. The video itself, an NRA ad, is sexist.

No it isn't. The ad shows the truth that gun owners come from all walks of life and many include, contrary to the bigoted toothless redneck stereotype of the left, attractive and intelligent women. Your objection lies in the fact that you cannot see beyond leftist propaganda.

a reply to: HauntWok

get honest
YOU were the only individual that brought the word up.
You were the first individual that brought that subject up.

are you suffering from obamaism? readily deny truth
and reality and blame it on someone else.

a reply to: HauntWok

before guns, when defensive weapons were swords and spears and bows and arrows, a woman was dependent on a man for the strength required to wield and use these weapons.

guns are the great equalizer. they turn a 98 pound eighty year old woman into the equal of a 225 pound male with ill intent

originally posted by: spirited75
before guns, when defensive weapons were swords and spears and bows and arrows, a woman was dependent on a man for the strength required to wield and use these weapons.

Unless you were Breanne of Tarth.