Internet evangelist hopes to convert ISIS leader through online video insulting Islam

a reply to: St Udio

thats hilarious..........thanks for that.......

people like this are the reason so many religions are made to look nutso

a reply to: Pinocchio

BUT...but we love

It seems you left a few things out, so I fixed your post:

BUT...but we love to hold ourselves above all other religions because we know damn well that we got it right - even if we didn't. We love to hide the sexual abuse of our brethren upon brethren. We love to launder money and horde ancient artifacts.

But most of all, we love to use to the name of our savior to justify any wrong doing that may stem from our doctrine.

Amen...

originally posted by: DarknStormy
You should explain that to FlyersFan, apparently that isn't the case.

Faith in something is fine. But when it is proven beyond a doubt that the story is wrong - like Noahs ark - then to continue to have faith in a story proven not to have happened is not too bright. And not buying into that which is proven wrong - like Noahs Ark and Exodus, in no way effects a persons belief that there is a God.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Somebody should inform this dumbass that the Christian God and Allah are one in the same.

Technically no. Islam has Allah. Christians have the Trinity. It's not the same. If you find a Muslim who worships Jesus as God on Earth, then you will have found a Muslim who worships the same God as the Christians. Technically.

What I want to know is ... where the hell is God ?? These are 'His kids' out mass murdering each other in His name. You'd think that would be enough to get Him off his mountain to come down and do something about it all ....

In my honest opinion, i consider the gods of Judaism, Christianity and Islam to be one in the same. There are different interpretations of course, but they all share a similar lineage, and therefore likely share a similar, or the same, god.

Here are some excerpts which may be of interest.

So do Christians Muslims, and Jews, really all worship the same God?

In two major volumes on the subject recently published by scholars from various faiths and traditions, including Volf’s, the most inclusive response from these scholars is basically: Yes, and it’s our God.

This is not a new way of answering the question.

In 1076, Pope Gregory VII wrote this to a Muslim leader: “We believe in and confess one God, admittedly, in a different way…”

religion.blogs.cnn.com...

Pope John Paul II drew from the same rhetorical well several times.

“We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection,” he first said in a speech to Muslims in Morocco in 1985.

Looking for a more recent example? Consider the plight of Vatican envoy to Malaysia.

Shortly after he arrived there last year, Archbishop Joseph Marino said that is was fine by him that Christian translations of the Bible into Malay use the word “Allah” for “God.”

religion.blogs.cnn.com...

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: DarknStormy
Your Bible is the greatest hoax in religion regardless of all the smiles and laughter you get from it.

And yet Muhammad plagiarized a bunch of his qu'ran stories from it. Guess that makes him a hoaxer as well.

As I said in another thread, people shouldn't of changed the teachings of the Gospels.. That's not Mohammad's fault.

a reply to: daaskapital

All the 3 monotheistic religions use Allah in the Middle East. It is the same God.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Somebody should inform this dumbass that the Christian God and Allah are one in the same.

Technically no. Islam has Allah. Christians have the Trinity. It's not the same. If you find a Muslim who worships Jesus as God on Earth, then you will have found a Muslim who worships the same God as the Christians. Technically.

What I want to know is ... where the hell is God ?? These are 'His kids' out mass murdering each other in His name. You'd think that would be enough to get Him off his mountain to come down and do something about it all ....

No technically it is the same god. It's just Muslims think Jesus was a prophet every bit as important as Mohammad. Conspiracy Christians just need a rival team to feel important. It's all just sects of judiesm.

originally posted by: daaskapital
In my honest opinion, i consider the gods of Judaism, Christianity and Islam to be one in the same.

Yeah, a lot of folks think that. I used to think that. But then it was pointed out to me that, if the Muslims and Jews had the same God, then they'd be worshipping Jesus as God incarnate. And they don't. I couldn't argue with that so I had to agree. whatever ... it doesn't matter ... we'll all find out when we are dead.

dble

a reply to: DarknStormy

Cool. Thanks for the clarification.

originally posted by: ArtemisE
No technically it is the same god. It's just Muslims think Jesus was a prophet ...

And Christians say Jesus is God. Therefore, it's not the same God. Being a prophet isn't being a God.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
people shouldn't of changed the teachings of the Gospels.. That's not Mohammad's fault.

Muhammad didn't 'fix' the gospels. That's silly. The dude lived 600 years after the events. He had no clue. Obviously he just plagiarized them and put his own twist on them.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: daaskapital
In my honest opinion, i consider the gods of Judaism, Christianity and Islam to be one in the same.

Yeah, a lot of folks think that. I used to think that. But then it was pointed out to me that, if the Muslims and Jews had the same God, then they'd be worshipping Jesus as God incarnate. And they don't. I couldn't argue with that so I had to agree. whatever ... it doesn't matter ... we'll all find out when we are dead.

That's an interesting perspective, but i guess it just comes down to how people interpret it all.

Yeah, it's best we all play the waiting game, haha.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: ArtemisE
No technically it is the same god. It's just Muslims think Jesus was a prophet ...

And Christians say Jesus is God. Therefore, it's not the same God. Being a prophet isn't being a God.

That's the problem, Proclaiming Jesus to be God is Idolatry and a sin, it's even written in the Bible. John say's no one has ever seen God.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
All the 3 monotheistic religions use Allah in the Middle East. It is the same God.

As I said, show me a muslim or jew that worships Jesus as God, and I'll show you a Muslim or Jew that worships the same God as the Christians. Christians say Jesus is God. Unless the Muslims and Jews do too, then it's not the same, no matter how similar their base O.T. stories may be.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
That's the problem, Proclaiming Jesus to be God is Idolatry and a sin, it's even written in the Bible.

Considering your Muslim leanings, I'm not surprised that you come to that interpretation. However, 2,000 years of Christian scholars and 2 Billion Christians on this planet disagree with your interpretation of Christian scripture.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: DarknStormy
All the 3 monotheistic religions use Allah in the Middle East. It is the same God.

As I said, show me a muslim or jew that worships Jesus as God, and I'll show you a Muslim or Jew that worships the same God as the Christians. Christians say Jesus is God. Unless the Muslims and Jews do too, then it's not the same, no matter how similar their base O.T. stories may be.

LOL, I don't want to show you a Muslim or Jew that worships what Christians do, It's better for them they don't.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
I don't want to show you a Muslim or Jew that worships what Christians do, It's better for them they don't.

Then you have proven my statement correct. You can't show me a muslim or a jew that worships the same God as the Christians.. If it was the same God, then the Jews and Muslims would have no problem bending the knee to Jesus and worshipping Him.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: DarknStormy
That's the problem, Proclaiming Jesus to be God is Idolatry and a sin, it's even written in the Bible.

Considering your Muslim leanings, I'm not surprised that you come to that interpretation. However, 2,000 years of Christian scholars and 2 Billion Christians on this planet disagree with your interpretation of Christian scripture.

So now John lies also? Did you know that Jesus's Brothers letters were not going to be put in the Bible because they didn't line up with the Jesus is God story? They knew the guy personally and it was declared that their letters were heresy by certain influential figures back in the day. Did 2000 years worth of scholars and Romans tell you that one?

a reply to: FlyersFan

Do Messianic Jews count?

Messianic Judaism generally holds that Jesus is both the Jewish Messiah and "God the Son" (one person of the Trinity), though some within the movement do not hold to Trinitarian beliefs. With few exceptions, both the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament are believed to be authoritative and divinely inspired scripture. In addition, "Messianic Jews observe Shabbat on Saturdays, read from the Torah, keep Jewish holidays, and wear shawls to pray. They call themselves maaminim (believers), not converts, Yehudim (Jews), not Notzrim (Christians). In many cases they call their places of worship synagogues, not churches, though a number of Messianic fellowships in Israel meet in church facilities. Almost all such congregations in Israel observe Jewish holidays, which they understand to have their fulfillment in Jesus."

Salvation in most forms of Messianic Judaism is achieved only through acceptance of Jesus as one's saviour.[21] It is believed that all sin has been atoned for by Jesus' death and resurrection. Any Jewish laws or customs that are followed are cultural and do not contribute to salvation. Belief in the messiahship and divinity of Jesus, which Messianic Judaism generally shares, is viewed by many Christian denominations and Jewish religious movements as a defining distinction between Christianity and Judaism. Mainstream Christian groups usually accept Messianic Judaism as a form of Christianity.

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