Lockdown: Border Officials Scrambled to Contain a Potential Outbreak

a reply to: Thefarmer

I share your thinking. Only I could see the US Gov themselves being behind the infecting.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Yes people arrive from all over everyday. They arent however kept in close quarters locked indoors and shipped around on buses under guard. Stress weakens the immune system. When we send our military to certain countries we vaccinate them against all sort of things. These are people who have already been identified with diseases. We arent talking about the potential of a traveler to spend his own money and come here carrying something. We are talking about us housing a bunch of people together whom, even if they dont become sick, could become carriers and spread diseases simply by being housed and transported in close quarters with other sick people. Scabies, H1N1, and TB have all been identified. They are all transmissible through close quarters contact, breathing, coughing. Sadly it's the perfect storm for a lot of people to get sick.

I know one thing for sure, if I was one of the illegals there is no way in hell I would accept a blanket..... Lets see how many understand that.

originally posted by: Night Star

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Not to be a buzzkill but every day there are airplane and cruise ship loads of people travelling to and from every single one of the countries that these children are coming from.

The biggest threat is to the other people detained who might be in close quarters with infected persons.

But aren't those people supposed to have inoculations up to date to travel out of the Country?

Varies widely but most people don't get inoculations for travelling to resorts in the Western Caribbean. Generally when travelling to Central and South America the recommended vaccines, in addition to regular vaccinations are for Hep A and Typhoid for most travelers and Hep B, Yellow Fever and Rabies for some travelers (depending on what you're doing while out of country).

Here's the CDC Health Information for Travelers pages for a dozen countries:

Argentina
Belize
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Ecuador
Guatemala
Honduras
Mexico
Paraguay
Peru
Venezuala

a reply to: TDawgRex

Which country can't handle what? I see countries up and running and time keeps on passing.

originally posted by: rustyclutch
Lol 12,000 people died of the h1n1 and people blow it off like this is nothing. It's only 12,000 of our citizens dead and hundreds of thousands sickened for weeks. They downplay tuberculosis like its not contagious ,yet to the best of my knowledge tuberculosis is extremely contagious. They isolate people with it. This isn't going to end well...

Context! We're over 300 million here. This 12,000 figure, you have a source for it? Over what period of time was it, multiple seasons I'm guessing.

Well guess what, the flu kills thousands every year. It's called nature. You wanna fight nature, go for it.

As for the TD, that is serious, and we do have protocol to quarantine people and go to extremes, because it's just that bad. I don't think we should be confusing something as serious as TD, with a mild h1n1. Two different topics, that deserve different threads.

originally posted by: Night Star

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Not to be a buzzkill but every day there are airplane and cruise ship loads of people travelling to and from every single one of the countries that these children are coming from.

The biggest threat is to the other people detained who might be in close quarters with infected persons.

But aren't those people supposed to have inoculations up to date to travel out of the Country?

as someone who has traveled to a "third world" country from north america in the last few years, mainly returning to the US and Canada about once a year for a couple months. what "inoculations" are you talking about? the only ones i know of were when i was small child. the only needles i have gotten in about 30 some years (beyond dental freezing) are a couple of tetnus shots after cutting myself. i have never heard about needing something either when i lived back there or when coming here. other then them urging you get a flu shot (no thanks).

a reply to: FarleyWayne

DANG! The thought that went through my cranium after reading this is that it sounds like whoever promoted this kid dumping into the US intended to use them as biological warfare agents. And on our military bases! That's pretty genius!

originally posted by: grey580
Looks like those FEMA camps might get a work out after all.

And they need to get on this quick. Otherwise all those coffins they ordered might have to be used as well.

;p

Except word is leaking out that the Catholic Church has been contacted and asked to ask their parishoners to house these people in their own homes! Drudge has a claim they're chasing now, and Rush had a couple on who was talking about it who had been told by their priest not to contact media because they didn't want people at the church when the illegals were brought there to be distributed.

IF this is true ... it could blow up in very bad ways because it means we won't know where these kids are or who all they've come in contact with.

As for the TD, that is serious, and we do have protocol to quarantine people and go to extremes, because it's just that bad. I don't think we should be confusing something as serious as TD, with a mild h1n1. Two different topics, that deserve different threads.

a reply to: pl3bscheese

If you want context....2000 people died on 9/11 and we are still blowing up countries. That's perspective. They are herding these people together like cattle without doing any bloodwork or testing and sending them deeper into the United States. The 12,000 was posted by someone I was disagreeing with and it comes from the CDC itself. Furthermore nature or not someone has to pay for these peoples medical care and its coming out of the money paid by tax payers. and as for needing two different threads why would we? An outbreak is an outbreak. We arent talking about a different situation. Also, just because diseases are a part of nature doesnt mean you dont take precautions to not get people sick. If you dont mind sick people being spread around the country to infect others that's completely understandable. Don't make light of the situation like people have no cause to be concerned, or like we aren't all gonna have to foot the bill for their medical care.

They are also having sex in close quarters...gosh...no possible harm there,right?

Don't be misled: most are NOT "toddlers" they are teens.

Obama is set to meet with Perry later this week in South Texas (all over the news here) as he's looking for over 3 billion to "better provide housing and care"

Yep.

I repeat as I have in other posts based on fact here in South Texas: close the border now.

originally posted by: Night Star

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Not to be a buzzkill but every day there are airplane and cruise ship loads of people travelling to and from every single one of the countries that these children are coming from.

The biggest threat is to the other people detained who might be in close quarters with infected persons.

But aren't those people supposed to have inoculations up to date to travel out of the Country?

You would think so wouldn't you?

What's the rush?

originally posted by: rustyclutch

If you want context....2000 people died on 9/11 and we are still blowing up countries. That's perspective.

You prove my point. People flipping out and causing more harm than good when they could just keep their chill and, perspective. The fear kills more than the actual event.

They are herding these people together like cattle without doing any bloodwork or testing and sending them deeper into the United States. The 12,000 was posted by someone I was disagreeing with and it comes from the CDC itself.

Right, they are stressed so susceptable to disease. Let them loose in the population after succumbing to disease, and the weakest will perish, while those not stressin will keep on keepin on. Not an issue. No stress here = I'm good to grow!

Furthermore nature or not someone has to pay for these peoples medical care and its coming out of the money paid by tax payers.

Finally we get to an actual issue worth debating, except I'm not going to be doing it. That's definitely a whole other thread, and there are already many on ATS.

and as for needing two different threads why would we? An outbreak is an outbreak. We arent talking about a different situation.

I suggest you read the OP. An outbreak is an outbreak, but that's not what this thread is about. It's specifically about the rather weak h1n1.

Also, just because diseases are a part of nature doesnt mean you dont take precautions to not get people sick. If you dont mind sick people being spread around the country to infect others that's completely understandable. Don't make light of the situation like people have no cause to be concerned, or like we aren't all gonna have to foot the bill for their medical care.

I'm trying to bring light into this psychotic-stew of a thread. One mild psychotic amplifies the next, and then we're almost all about to die and the country just can't take it, just cause. Not cool to be messing with people and stress them out. Especially with nasties going around!

Context! We're over 300 million here. This 12,000 figure, you have a source for it? Over what period of time was it, multiple seasons I'm guessing.

a reply to: pl3bscheese

No, it was in less than a year I believe, Let me find a link for you.

"CDC estimates that between 41 million and 84 million cases of 2009 H1N1 occurred between April 2009 and January 16, 2010," the agency said in a statement.

What's that, 10 months?

Between 8,330 and 17,160 people died during that time from H1N1, with a middle range of about 12,000, the CDC said. But between 880 and 1,800 children died, up to 13,000 adults under the age of 65 and only 1,000 to 2,000 elderly.

In a normal flu season, the CDC estimates that 36,000 Americans die of flu, but 90 percent are over the age of 65. The CDC estimates that 200,000 go into the hospital, again mostly frail elderly people with other health conditions.The swine flu pandemic has affected much younger people.

The CDC estimate shows that between 183,000 and 378,000 people were hospitalized with H1N1 swine flu from April to January.

In an average flu season, about 82 children die in the United States, the CDC says. But those are lab-confirmed cases.

See the Difference, between H1N1 and the Normal Flu, it's the number of deaths of children compared to people over 65 and those over 65 normally have other health problems to complicate it.
LINK

a reply to: guohua

Thanks for the information. I do see the difference, and it's tragic, but not something even remotely on the scale of something the country can't handle.

Out of tens of millions infected, but a few thousand perished. The rest gained immunity. I'll take it.

a reply to: pl3bscheese

Right, they are stressed so susceptable to disease. Let them loose in the population after succumbing to disease, and the weakest will perish, while those not stressin will keep on keepin on. Not an issue. No stress here = I'm good to grow!

I suspect if the person you loved most in the world were to contract and succumb to one of these diseases being imported, you might feel differently.

I suggest you read the OP. An outbreak is an outbreak, but that's not what this thread is about. It's specifically about the rather weak h1n1.

When I contracted H1N1, it was not weak. I spent weeks in and out of the hospital from October until April with relapses.
Your lack of compassion for others not blessed with your robust health is beyond my comprehension.

Coming to a foreign country with different customs, language and lifestyles is stressful, whether they are 'released' into society immediately, or 'slowly' filtered in after being health-certified and vaccinated. Kind of sounds like a rescue shelter operation for humans instead of animals.

I wish you and yours continued good health.

So we have UN vehicles with disarmament on the sides. If at any point the US or UN where to actually try and remove guns from peoples hand for martial law, it would be hell to fight all of the patriot rednecks...

Unless...

They take out the southern most states with several stacking pandemics where no one knows what the hell they are infected with.

Steps to wipe out and overtake a nation without another massive civil war.

Kill the patriot rednecks in Texas and the southern states with disease, vaccinate/chip people who are sick then round up the stragglers.
Dissolve the borders to solve immigration and look like heros, reset the currency system to the Amero after merging Canada, USA and Mexico.
Sweep everyone into clusters after hell breaks loose with environmental disasters due to earth cycling into another ice age. (Agenda 21)

Best we pray for Jesus or the good aliens?

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Not to be a buzzkill but every day there are airplane and cruise ship loads of people travelling to and from every single one of the countries that these children are coming from.

The biggest threat is to the other people detained who might be in close quarters with infected persons.

yeah but those planes aren't managed by policies of our elected officials in the run-up to an election cycle

duh!

:-)

a reply to: nugget1

Thanks, and same to you.

I find it interesting people see me as lacking compassion, when I'm just being real.

Take care.

Ah, one last note. Context, again, is most needed. Compared to many of the more common flu strains, h1n1 is indeed not so weak. This particular h1n1, is not that strong compared to more deadly pandemic strains in history. It's rather weak.

originally posted by: nugget1

I suspect if the person you loved most in the world were to contract and succumb to one of these diseases being imported, you might feel differently.

Erm, no. That wouldn't make the least bit of sense. What kind of leader would a person be if they were swayed to irrational decision making in the face of personal circumstances? No way. I'd wish the best for my loved one, feed her well, and move on with the issue at hand.

The outbreak of violence increases not by the day, but by the hour.Government totally out of control that can even ignore it's citizens health by condoning mass infection?
Yeah at 53 I THOUGHT I've seen it all.