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originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
always posting from bias sites
Why dont you ever post anything from Islamic sites?
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: MALBOSIA
And Judaism allows any crime under the sun so long it is not to another Jew.
Wanna' prove that?
Only Jews have rights in Judaism so how is it any better than Islam.
I didn't say Jews are better with rights. But since you bring it up ... yes they are. Jewish women are allowed to leave the home without escort; allowed to drive to a doctors office by herself; there are no honor killings; Jews can leave the religion without being stoned to death for so called apostasy; etc etc ...
I would like to know what the ruling on Honor killings would be and how it should be punished acording to the Laws of the Shariat.
Praise be to Allaah.
Killing a Muslim unlawfully is a serious matter and a grave crime. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein; and the Wrath and the Curse of Allaah are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him”
[al-Nisa’ 4:93]
al-Bukhaari (6355) narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The believer will continue to be encompassed by the mercy of Allaah so long as he does not shed blood that it is forbidden to shed.”
From their essentially political position, the Kharijites developed extreme doctrines that further set them apart from both mainstream Sunni and Shiʿa Muslims. The Kharijites were particularly noted for adopting a radical approach to Takfir, whereby they declared other Muslims to be unbelievers and therefore deemed them worthy of death
originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
Here you go spouting off the same old hog wash !
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
always posting from bias sites
Knock off the lies. It's the Tribune attached to the New York Times.
Why dont you ever post anything from Islamic sites?
Because they are BIASED.
originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
you use links to bias ... However you can find your lies right www.abovetopsecret.com... there
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
Here you go spouting off the same old hog wash !
that would be you.
Your like a broken record.
Yes, I'm always speaking the truth to counter your absurd propaganda.
You can post all the propaganda from pro-islamic sources that you wish. But it doesn't make what they say true. The FACT is that Jewish women can leave Judaism anytime they wish. Not all Muslim women can say that. The fact is that Jewish women can get an education. Not all Muslim women can say that. The fact is that Jewish women can leave their homes without male family escort. Not all Muslim women can say that. The fact is that Jewish women can drive their own cars to their own doctor appointments. Not all Muslim women can say that.
That's the truth. Deal with it.
Women's Rights in Islam
The issue of women in Islam, is topic of great misunderstanding and distortion due partly to a lack of understanding, but also partly due to misbehavior of some Muslims which has been taken to represent the teachings of Islam. We speak here about what Islam teaches, and that is that standard according to which Muslims are to be judged. As such, my basis and source is the Quran--the words of Allah, and the sayings of the Prophet, his deeds and his confirmation. Islamic laws are derived from these sources. To facilitate our discussion we can discuss the position of women from a spiritual, economic, social, and political standpoint.
From the spiritual aspect, there are seven points to remember:
According to the Quran, men and women have the same spirit, there is no superiority in the spiritual sense between men and women. [Noble Quran 4:1, 7:189, 42:11]
The Quran makes it clear that all human beings (and the phraseology doesn't apply to men or women alone, but to both) have what you might call a human; He
"breathed some of My spirit into divine touch. When God created him"(or her in this sense). [Noble Quran 15:29 See also 32:9]
Some of His spirit here means not in the incarnational sense, but the pure, innate spiritual nature that God has endowed her or him with.
The Quran indicates again that one of the most honored positions of human, is that God created the human, and as I referred to Surah 17 earlier, it means both sexes, as His trustee and representative on earth. There are many references in the Quran that reaffirm this.
Nowhere in the Quran do we find any trace of any notion of blaming Eve for the first mistake or for eating from the forbidden tree. Nowhere, even though the Quran speaks about Adam, Eve, and the forbidden tree, but in a totally different spirit. The story is narrated in 7:19-27, and it speaks about both of them doing this, both of them are told that both of them disobeyed, both of them discovered the consequences of their disobedience, both of them seek repentance and both of them are forgiven. Nowhere in the Quran does it say woman is to be blamed for the fall of man. Furthermore, when the Quran speaks about the suffering of women during the period of pregnancy and childbirth, nowhere does it connect it with the concept of original sin, because there is no concept of original sin in Islam. The suffering is presented not as a reason to remind woman of the fall of man, but as a reason to adore and love woman or the mother. In the Quran, especially 31:14, 46:15, it makes it quite clear God has commanded upon mankind to be kind to parents and mentions,
"His mother bore him in difficulty or suffering upon suffering." [Noble Quran 31:14, 46:15]
The Quran makes it clear again to remove any notion of superiority and I refer you again to 49:13. I must caution you that there are some mistaken translations, but if you go to the original Arabic, there is no question of gender being involved.
In terms of moral, spiritual duties, acts of worship, the requirements of men and women are the same, except in some cases when women have certain concessions because of their feminine nature, or their health or the health of their babies.
The Quran explicitly, in more than one verse, 3:195, 4:124, specified that whoever does good deeds, and is a believer and then specifies "male or female" God will give them an abundant reward.
originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
originally posted by: MALBOSIA
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
I don't know the answer to that question, do you?
Sharia approves of the death penalty for so-called 'apostasy' (leaving Islam or saying things not in line with Islam). Tribune.com - Most Muslims Want Sharia ... Split on Interpretation
And Judaism allows any crime under the sun so long it is not to another Jew. Only Jews have rights in Judaism so how is it any better than Islam.
Good post.
As previously acknowledged, all sides have their extremists but IMO Islam is unfairly demonized around the world and ATS. Personally, I could find things I dislike and disagree about in all religions. I'm tired of followers of one religion trying to portray themselves as holier than thou compared to those who worship differently.
originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
Woman have equal rights in Islam
originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
I have a question for the members of this thread who are more knowledgeable about religion than I am, hopefully you can help me figure this out.
First off, wouldn't believing that you are "GOD's chosen people" be a form of extremism?
IMO it is a form of extremism due to the fact that you consider yourself to be more important than those who are not part of your religion.
I'm pretty sure that Judaism preaches that they are GOD's chosen people, does Islam preach the same?
originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
I don't know the answer to that question, do you?
Sharia approves of the death penalty for so-called 'apostasy' (leaving Islam or saying things not in line with Islam). Tribune.com - Most Muslims Want Sharia ... Split on Interpretation
Lol , always posting from bias sites .. Why dont you ever post anything from Islamic sites?
Every time you try to rebuttle you always use links that are anti Islam.
Why?
originally posted by: abe froman
originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
originally posted by: MALBOSIA
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
I don't know the answer to that question, do you?
Sharia approves of the death penalty for so-called 'apostasy' (leaving Islam or saying things not in line with Islam). Tribune.com - Most Muslims Want Sharia ... Split on Interpretation
And Judaism allows any crime under the sun so long it is not to another Jew. Only Jews have rights in Judaism so how is it any better than Islam.
Good post.
As previously acknowledged, all sides have their extremists but IMO Islam is unfairly demonized around the world and ATS. Personally, I could find things I dislike and disagree about in all religions. I'm tired of followers of one religion trying to portray themselves as holier than thou compared to those who worship differently.
Show me the videos of extreme Jews chopping off heads, hands, and feet. I've seen hours and hours of footage of Islamists doing it so I believe it is quite fair that they have been "demonized".
originally posted by: abe froman
originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
I don't know the answer to that question, do you?
Sharia approves of the death penalty for so-called 'apostasy' (leaving Islam or saying things not in line with Islam). Tribune.com - Most Muslims Want Sharia ... Split on Interpretation
Lol , always posting from bias sites .. Why dont you ever post anything from Islamic sites?
Every time you try to rebuttle you always use links that are anti Islam.
Why?
Right, because pro-Islam sites are not biased at all...
Since Islam encourages lying about Islam to outsiders any pro-Islam site is untrustworthy as a source, that's why.
Is it permissable to lie to kaafirs?.(disbelievers)
Praise be to Allaah.
Lying is a reprehensible and blameworthy characteristic and is not appropriate whether in earnest or in jest. There is no concession allowing it except in cases of necessity in order to achieve some definite shar‘i interest that cannot be attained by telling the truth, or to ward off serious harm that cannot be warded off by telling the truth. If it is possible to avoid lying and to tell the truth in order to obtain interests or ward off harm, then there is no concession that allows lying.
Ahmad (17) narrated that Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) said: O people, beware of lying, for lying is contrary to faith.
Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani. See ad-Da‘eefah, 5/414
It is narrated in a saheeh report from Sa‘d ibn Abi Waqqaas (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said: The Muslim could develop all sorts of characteristics except treachery and lying.
And it is narrated in a saheeh report from Ibn Mas‘ood (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said: Lying is never appropriate in earnest or in jest. Then he recited the words of Allah (interpretation of the meaning): “Fear Allah, and be with those who are true (in words and deeds).” [at-Tawbah 9:119].
Narrated by Ibn Abi Shaybah, 8/403
originally posted by: uncommitted
originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
I have a question for the members of this thread who are more knowledgeable about religion than I am, hopefully you can help me figure this out.
First off, wouldn't believing that you are "GOD's chosen people" be a form of extremism?
IMO it is a form of extremism due to the fact that you consider yourself to be more important than those who are not part of your religion.
I'm pretty sure that Judaism preaches that they are GOD's chosen people, does Islam preach the same?
Well, I've heard people say they live in Gods country, often in Hollywood films you will hear the phrase 'God Bless America' as they are about to go and kill people from a different country. People talk about certain amendments to the American constitution as giving people a 'God given right'........... and that is on ATS. Often.
Isn't that a similar form of extremism?
originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: LightningStrikesHere ...And obligatory Islamic female circumcision is less extreme than the "extreme" Jewish take on women's rights?
I would like to know more about female circumcision in Islam. I have read the ahadith where the Prophet told a woman how to perform it. I would like to know if it is optional or obligatory, and - if it is obligatory - whether there is a certain way to do it (what part should be cut?).
Praise be to Allah.
Ibn Qudamah (may Allah have mercy on him) said, in his book al-Mughni: "Circumcision is obligatory for men, and it is an honour for women, but it is not obligatory for them. This is the opinion of many scholars. (Imam) Ahmad said: For men it is more strictly required, but for women it is less strictly required." (al-Mughni 1/70).
A hadith on the topic of female circumcision has been attributed to the Prophet (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon Him), according to which he said: "Circumcision is a Sunnah for men, and an honour for women," but there is some debate as to the authenticity of this hadith. See Silsilah al-Ahadith al-Da‘ifah by al-Albani, no. 1935.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
I don't know the answer to that question, do you?
Sharia approves of the death penalty for so-called 'apostasy' (leaving Islam or saying things not in line with Islam). Tribune.com - Most Muslims Want Sharia ... Split on Interpretation
originally posted by: buster2010
The article you link is rather biased.