Muslim asking question and then wishes she hadn't! Great response :)

a reply to: TDawgRex
LOL trust me, dude. I read. And even better, I've been to the Middle East. Three times. Both of which are probablu more than you ever will. But I digress.

So riddle me this. Why, if they are so weak that all they can do is start proxy wars, are the neo-cons so hell bent on starting a war with them? This ought to be an interesting answer.

a reply to: TDawgRex

No, understanding moves a person forward. Fear traps people. Makes them weak and stupid.

Understanding removes fear, understanding resolves conflict.

fear makes people act without thinking. Thinking isn't a conservatives strong suit anyway, a scared conservative is even worse.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
So riddle me this. Why, if they are so weak that all they can do is start proxy wars, are the neo-cons so hell bent on starting a war with them? This ought to be an interesting answer.

Because the mosquito needs to be swatted.

How's that?

And I'm not for starting a war with Iran. Why?, you may ask? Because I think we have more in common with them than most realize.

I think that religion is on the way out. That's cool with me, one ideology out of the way.

a reply to: HauntWok

Whatever Gus...

That's you're lie...you tell it to whoever believes you.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: TDawgRex
LOL trust me, dude. I read. And even better, I've been to the Middle East. Three times. Both of which are probablu more than you ever will. But I digress.

So riddle me this. Why, if they are so weak that all they can do is start proxy wars, are the neo-cons so hell bent on starting a war with them? This ought to be an interesting answer.

Trust me Dude...LOL. Been there myself quite few times.

I hate the American desert and others even more so...especially when they use their sorry excuse for a religion to kill others.

Not to many other religions do that these days except Islam. But please do go on how it is excusable...because they are muslims. I'm waiting.

But in the meantime, may the pigs on my buddies farm, past waste upon the so-called prophets head and eat his entrails. THAT'S how much respect I have for that so called cult at the moment.

When they start to do good...I may just change my mind.

originally posted by: buster2010

They do keep it in their borders until another nation like America sticks it's nose in where it doesn't belong.

You are very very wrong with the above assertion. Come to the EU and take a look around. There are very serious problems with Muslim immigrants in many European countries. All of this because of overly optimistic rose tinted immigration policies. The Muslims I know who live in my country do not want to integrate, they want the benefits of a modern society sure, but they do not want to live by our laws or accept our cultural identity. My forebears fought and died for my country's freedom, I am very proud of our history, in personal conversations with a Muslim colleague, whom I get on quite well with, he dismissed my point and said "eventually your country will be a Muslim country".

Also, I feel compelled to point out that there is a demographic of members on ATS who perpetually place the US, and her foreign policies etc, at the centre of every discussion. If I had a "dollar" for every time I read something like "well the US is worse" or "America is responsible" I'd be a wealthier man. It belies a certain mentality, typically conspiracy obsessed, and usually indoctrinated with a worldview that places the utmost importance on laying the blame for everything at the door of the White House(or wherever else in America your particular conspiracy strain denotes). While it cannot be denied that the US has her hand in many other people's pies, there are a great many global issues to be taken into account that America has little or nothing to do with. The problems with radical Islamists are in part connected with American foreign policy, and more, this is true, but there are many other factors to take into account. As I have pointed out, my interactions with Muslims have shown me that ideologically, we will never see eye to eye, but that's just me huh?

I created a thread a while back about being spat at by a Muslim in London, whilst this guy was a scumbag, and I believe he targeted me because I was a non-Muslim, I honestly do not have a problem with Muslim people, however I have a serious problem with Islam as an ideology, it would be great in my opinion, if that ideology remained within certain borders, borders I would never be inclined to cross, let Islam stay in the desert as far as I'm concerned.

a reply to: seabhac-rua

Come to the EU and take a look around.

Not having any idea where you are from maybe you should look into the politics of your nation. Many nations in the EU support America when we intrude in the politics of these foreign nations.

The Muslims I know who live in my country do not want to integrate, they want the benefits of a modern society sure, but they do not want to live by our laws or accept our cultural identity.

Boo Hoo come to America and see just how many different cultures we have here.

I am very proud of our history, in personal conversations with a Muslim colleague, whom I get on quite well with, he dismissed my point and said "eventually your country will be a Muslim country".

What religion isn't like that? When they move to another country they want their religion to be the dominate religion and it should rule the land. America has been fighting that battle with the Christians for over a century now.

Also, I feel compelled to point out that there is a demographic of members on ATS who perpetually place the US, and her foreign policies etc, at the center of every discussion.

That's because a majority of the people that post here are American.

a reply to: buster2010

Many nations in the EU support America when we intrude in the politics of these foreign nations.

And many don't. Regardless, as seems to be usual with you, I'll make my point clearer so you can understand, the problems we have here with Muslims have little or nothing to do with the US, they are cultural and ideological.

Boo Hoo come to America and see just how many different cultures we have here.

Is there a term for this? I'll make up one, 'New World-pocentrism'. So America has more different cultures than everywhere else? Hmm, you might not know where I'm from but i don't even have to ask where you're from.

What religion isn't like that? When they move to another country they want their religion to be the dominate religion and it should rule the land. America has been fighting that battle with the Christians for over a century now.

At present Islam is the only religion/ideology in my part of the world that is causing problems, so I'll continue to have my opinions and express them as I see fit.

That's because a majority of the people that post here are American.

Yes but not all American ATSers believe the US to be the centre of the universe.

originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: TDawgRex
LOL trust me, dude. I read. And even better, I've been to the Middle East. Three times. Both of which are probablu more than you ever will. But I digress.

So riddle me this. Why, if they are so weak that all they can do is start proxy wars, are the neo-cons so hell bent on starting a war with them? This ought to be an interesting answer.

Trust me Dude...LOL. Been there myself quite few times.

I hate the American desert and others even more so...especially when they use their sorry excuse for a religion to kill others.

Not to many other religions do that these days except Islam. But please do go on how it is excusable...because they are muslims. I'm waiting.

But in the meantime, may the pigs on my buddies farm, past waste upon the so-called prophets head and eat his entrails. THAT'S how much respect I have for that so called cult at the moment.

When they start to do good...I may just change my mind.

Wow. Just wow. Your hatred is truly revealing. Uneducated and pathetic to boot.

originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: FlyersFan

for one, you aren't telling the truth, you are repeating propaganda.

for another the repression your kind and ilk want is to completely "democracy" a culture out of existence.

Don't pretend the popular conservative idea of genocide doesn't apply to the ME just like it applies to the people of south America that your kind wants to kill off completely.

hell conservatives are outright about wiping out the people of the ME.

talk about lies and propaganda!

you take the cake, dude. lol!

point out FF's non-truths and propaganda, don't just keep saying it.

and people that use the words "your kind and ilk" carry no truth to themselves and anything associated with thoses words can be summarily dismissed as bigotry and bunk.

originally posted by: Snarl
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Here's my poke at the question: How do you fight an ideology with weapons? You slaughter everyone you have a doubt in. Seems to be a strategy that's working very well for the Muslim extremists at the moment, too.

Everyone knows that is the proper way to go about it. I have a better solution, which is just as unappealing.

As for the numbers, I don't see them as relevant from the 100,000 ft perspective. The numbers are enough to change the political landscape of an exceptionally large region.

People who thrive on strategic combat have got to be loving this. People who thrive on the value of war will never bring this to a close.

ETA: FWIW, I don't think the numbers are actually that high either. I also don't think all Muslims can be defined as either "extremist" or "not extremist." Muslims are individuals, just like all of us. There may be one small aspect of Islam that they'll take to an extreme and be a moderate on every other 'issue' ... until there's a gun pointed at them, or a gun shoved into their hands.

Finally, someone who understands what must be done. The only way to solve an ideological battle, is to destroy it from the very root. The last one standing, who plants the seed, plows the field and decides whether to burn or to reap, is the one who wins this human game we call life. If humans want peace, they better get on the side with the biggest stick.

I find it quite comical and childish how people still think arguing (politics) solves anything at all. Genocide is inevitable if any country, nation, or people wants peace/freedom to do what they "believe". Talking is what it has always been...hot air and nothing more.

I'm waiting for the day when people stop talking and start killing, cause then I'll know the end is near...peace at long last.

Before I get flamed... Let me just say I do NOT condone genocide or think it is the "right" thing to do. It is simply the only way to win mans childish game that he's laid out for himself.

I found some truth in both of these women's perspectives, and I thought it was reflective of our collective inability to manage or resolve this conflict.

Unless we are willing to openly call for the genocide of Muslims, I think we need to abandon the idea that our military can resolve this conflict. It may actually be more effective (and less costly) to withdraw from the region and allow them to form a caliphate because then we can interact with an organization rather than an ideology.

Muslims, Christians, Jews, whomever, are all doing this because someone has scared them into believing they must act against other humans.

Never keeping an eye on the originators of all these things, and certainly now ignoring Albert Pike, and his very relevant quote!


"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World.

The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

I really thought she was making a good point until she brought up the 19 hijackers. Anybody who still blindly follows the 9/11 agenda is just ignorant. If you think 19 hijackers caused the world trade center to defy physics then you need to do some real research.

a reply to: Kandinsky

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: DarknStormy
So what? If they want Sharia Law in their countries they should be entitled too it.

They don't keep the bronze age nonsense confined within their borders. The goal is global caliphate with non muslims on the losing end. And considering the extreme ignorance that comes with sharia and caliphate ... it is something that should be of concern to everyone who wants freedom of/from religion and freedom of speech and womens rights.

I disagree that you or anyone else should get to decide what another country wants. You just said the majority of Muslims want Sharia in their countries. That would mean that Woman want Sharia also. Too be honest, your worried about Islam wanting to take over the world but your own government has been doing the exact same thing against the will of others for the last 60 years and no-one says boo. You make it sound as though Democracy has never forced itself upon anyone outside a Western country.

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

An infidel is anyone who does not believe in God. Christians and Jews are exempt from what the Qu'ran is explaining, Believing Christians and Jews that is.

I’ve got a category (The Tiny Percentage of Radical Islamists) dedicated to posts with that sort of math, and I’m quite sure I wasn’t the first person to think of it. I hope the concept finally gets some traction. Since this study came up with 7% (as opposed to the UK study that came in at 13%), let’s run with those numbers and see if they can be so cavalierly dismissed.

Since it’s unlikely the entire 7% (again, that’s 91 million) of these “political radicals” would actually do anything but grumble amongst themselves about the Great Satan or at most, join Islamic Rage Boy at a flag burning, let’s guess only 7% of them would be willing to perform a terrorist act. That’s 6,370,000 people.

Now lets guess how many would be effective - sticking with the 7%, that’s 445,900 effective terrorists, if the 7% of the 7% of the 7% estimate is accurate.

All of those people aren’t going to have the connections needed to perform a large scale terrorist attack, so take it to the next 7% level. That would be 31,213 political radicals who are willing, can act effectively, and have the connections to conduct a large-scale terrorist attack. All theory, of course. The only number we can be sure of is that 7% in the study who actually admitted their views. But out of 91 million people who believe, I think it’s quite reasonable to conclude that there are 31,000 would would and could act on their beliefs.

www.pursuingholiness.com...

Thats 31000 People who probably dont like us very much....

originally posted by: Bleeeeep
a reply to: Hongkongphooey

The question was more of a statement: You cannot fight against ideas with weapons. (Think V for Vendetta - the whole concept of the movie was about sparking an idealogical change.) Further, if you try to take out the 20%, or whatever the number is/was, it will only convert more of the 80% because it will appear to the 80% that the 20% were correct. Not only that, but the 20% are family and loved ones to the 80%, whom will be vindictive unless you change their ideology.

So what are you saying? You support the 20%? Because this is what you are saying unless you are living in a fantasy world. We as a whole can not allow ANY idealogy that cites murder and rape like the extermists enjoy doing. You sound like one of them wolves in sheep clothing.

Muslims do not scare me. Radical baby killers do not scare me. I believe it is time to stop talking and do something about all this killing in the Middle East. I do not care how many Muslims, hindus, Jews or Christians there are. I do care about the hate and violence that surrounds extremists and I believe the only way to stoop these individuals is with a bullet between the eyes. How else do you stop terroisim? Love them to death? Death yes.......love NO.

We have hate laws in USA and many radicals living in the USA preach this hate inside their houses of religion and no one cares and no one is stopping it. This needs be cleaned up. And if the 80% wants to join in with their hate and lies then I say grab a gun and put your faith to the test. Your 72 virgins are waiting for you.

originally posted by: motthoople
What a load of hot air spewing from Brigitte, while I don't disagree with everything she says she certainly said it the wrong way. Then she, SHE: Brigitte Gabriel has the nerve to question the U.S. Citizenship of this poor young woman, when ole two-tongue Brigitte didn't even move to the U.S until her late 20's. Give me a break, funny sounding accent she got there for a U.S Citizen isn't it, I didn't realize Lebanon was a burrough of New York.

wth does her accent have to do with anything?

at least brigitte has an excuse for hers.

i left new england in my 20's and still have it. (i'm older than her)

saba amhed is a troll and shill. gabriel probably knew who she was.

300,000,000 extremist, how many other muslems are what is known as passive supporters, people who do not do the killing but protect and support the people who do ? I have been watching in Europe how people feel, we only have to look to see that people are moving to the far right. I have studyed ww2 as a hobby and there are so many things the same as now. I fear for our children.