The Camera Of A Soldier That Died In A 1944 Battle Was Just Found. Wait Til You See What Was On It.

a reply to: MarlinGrace

Thank you I am glad you enjoyed the thread..

kind regards

purp

My uncle was in the Battle of the Bulge....and pretty much greyed overnight from it.

I don't think we can imagine the horror of a world wide war.
It just boggles the mind.
Those pictures do it justice I think.

We happen to be watching this series on Netflix now.....Ken Burns PBS series on WWII....worth viewing.

originally posted by: PGTWEED
My dad lost some photos he had taken in France. He wrote in a V-Mail back to his parents. I wished I knew the general vicinity where he lost the photos.

Have you tried looking in a website called delcampe.net. They have lots of second hand postcards and photographs from France.

originally posted by: PGTWEED
My dad lost some photos he had taken in France. He wrote in a V-Mail back to his parents. I wished I knew the general vicinity where he lost the photos.

Have you tried looking in a website called delcampe.net. They have lots of second hand postcards and photographs from France.

originally posted by: myselfaswell

Images such as these, whether they are dug out of the ground, or taken from last weeks conflict somewhere, well I don't know, there's just nothing positive there, only fear, and projected bravado.

There's no glory in it.

Sorry to say this myselfaswell I consider you to be very wrong.

Perspective is what is important and while it can be said there is no glory in war, there is glory in reasonable men reasonably deciding there are times when it is a necessity to cause loss to those who seek only to submit the freedom of all for their own subconsciously compelled wants. It takes humans for war to occur and not all who fight are there for the 'bravado' of it.

To say there is no glory in that means you do not value life or the freedom to 'reasonably' experience it.

True glory is in the actions of those who value life and accept the reality we exist in where at times we are challenged to do what we must in order to preserve life no matter how unreasonable this sometimes can be.

Our modern culture has been very successful in manipulating our perception of the reality of what a reasonable person must do to ensure reason and life are valued.

War which is an aspect of control is never sought by reasonable humans, yet that does not mean they will deny their responsibility to life and not go to war in order to uphold it's values. In this is where the glory exists, so that those who have sacrificed their lives so that others can take for granted their present freedoms can claim that there is no glory in it at all.

even back then the images seem censored. They do not show the true horrors of war. It seems like joining the military is hanging out with a bunch of dudes and shooting rounds occasionally. I wish they would depict the real wars.

a reply to: purplemer

So many all-knowing opinions. Heroics.. no point... no purpose.

War only takes one side to be a reality. Such bravado here... you'd what.. just sit and let yourselves be slaughtered or have your kin be killed rather than pick up a weapon and defend yourself and kin and country? After all the brave talk about defending yourselves and your families on this site, it's terribly ironic to me that some of you would condemn those who suffered and fought to preserve freedom and save lives.

Go stuff yourselves.. you and your pathetic non-war rhetoric. If you are attacked.. and you do nothing, you deserve nothing.. not freedom, not liberty, not life. Some wars are wars for money or profit.. but many wars are not. And you either fight, or you and the ones you love die. Stop condemning heroic acts of past soldiers. They suffered and fought and died to protect what they thought was right. Your condemnation of their acts as you clack away on your keyboards behind your safe computers and safety built on their actions make me sick to my stomach.

All wars are not just, nor wise nor smart.. but those who fought in them still deserve a modicum of respect. Many of you naysayers have an 'nth of the courage and bravery that many of those soldiers had. Just remember.. it doesn't always take two sides to create a war.

originally posted by: andy06shake
Consider the point of fact that if those brave soldiers had not done what they did you most lightly would be unable to post such a response. Considering our internet in its present form is not exactly synonyms with Nazi values, freedom of speech being the main perpetrator there I imagine.

Pictures of such an event help us to identify with what those brave souls achieved at the expense of so many to allow the very freedoms we presently enjoy. There is a measure of beauty in that fact alone, i find the images humbling.

Three years ago I would have agreed with you.

Not any more.

The Nazi regime has always been in power.

Why ELSE would everything going on today look like it was a mirror image of the third Reich?

Jim Marrs recommends that we: "throw out everything you think you know about history".

I agree 100%.

According to Jim, WW2 never ended...

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given the click bait title of the original article, part of me was dumb enough to expect a picture of a flying saucer, or some compromising picture of a powerful military dude or politician.
It's great to travel to the past in such a way, but in the end they are just regular pictures

A picture is worth a thousand words...it is true. In the first picture where there is a close up of the men, they already have the "thousand yard stare". They have already seen too much and been through too much and that is conveyed in the photo. If any of them survived and returned home, they probably never returned as the same men they were before the war. The nightmares and "shell shock" and sadness and depression...a reality of war. War IS Hell and it does shrivel the soul, causes unease to the mind and injury and illness to the body. They are changed forever.

Thanx for sharing the pics. It is good for us all to be reminded of the horror and folly and the affect that war has on us all as a species. Would that something could be learned from it and the horrors and mistakes never be repeated again...one can hope for that miracle. War is a racket. The old saying, "Wouldn't it be great if war was declared and no one came" or words to that effect.

Thanx again for sharing. Blessings.

When I look at photos like this,be they from wars of yesterday or from wars of today, I cant but feel everything changes but stays the same. Im sure these young men and their families hoped their children would never have to go to war,same as the young men and their families of today hope. It seems wars will always eat hope the same way as they eat our young. I have a question for all ATS people, Is there hope ?. I say yes but what do you think ?

a reply to: Murgatroid

The ideals and freedoms these men fought and died for simply don't exist any longer. But there sentiment and the spirit in which they died did indeed go along way to ensure our basic freedoms(least for a little while).

The fact that our generation has allowed TPTB to corrupt and pervert those very same freedoms is to our fault and shame alone.

I'm plainly aware that the worst parts of Orwells 1984 are in full swing. We should really do something about fixing that, and soon I imagine.

Mistaken Post

originally posted by: myselfaswell
well I don't know, there's just nothing positive there, only fear, and projected bravado.

Bravado?

These guys were in situation where they might not have seen their next meal for days or worse, never see their loved ones ever again. These guys were just like you in that they would have loved to been ANYWHERE else but where they were.

I'd swallow that ego of yours and holier than thou judgement of others and consider having a little empathy for people doing their best in a situation that was WAY beyond their control.

Or not...

What's even more amazing is that the camera appeared to have the facility to upload all the pictures to the internet, in some cases a few years before the camera was even discovered. It even added some artistic blurriness and degradation to give the photos that real "lost for decades in the woods" look!

I can't find the full list that someone researched (one of those random finds trawling for something else completely different) but the following should be enough of a smoking gun, even for ATS

www.pbase.com...

The link is to the original version of the second photo shown in the original post, without the artistic "aging".

Edited to add:

The guy with the machine gun and smoking a pipe is taken from the National Archives, as credited at the following link.

www.military.com...

a reply to: SLAYER69

Sir,

I am only typing these words with the consideration of your longevity here, nothing more.

Your post in this thread is the second attack to my opinion, an opinion, I might add, I am allowed to have and express on this site.

Firstly to subtopia;

Sorry to say this myselfaswell I consider you to be very wrong.

Dear oh dear. I understand and accept the sentiment of your post, however, I consider you to be very wrong ?. Wrong ? difference of opinion certainly, but wrong ?. Please refer to my first sentence in this paragraph.

And now Slayer69,

I'd swallow that ego of yours and holier than thou judgement of others and consider having a little empathy for people doing their best in a situation that was WAY beyond their control.

"Ego, holier than thou, judgement of others, empathy for people". Wow, on the back of "Bravado?".

Had you asked me to expand on the words and sentiment of my post(s) I would have been prepared to do so. But you have chosen to attack based on stupidity and jumping to Ill conceived conclusions which in turn, in my opinion, has brought embarrassment to not only yourself, but ATS.

I am none of those things, Slayer69, with the exception of empathy, that is a quality I personally hold the most dear. I will provide you an olive branch as described above. The choice is yours.

Regards
Myselfaswell

a reply to: myselfaswell
Hard to accept when people have a difference of opinion, that's the paradox of humanity and the contradiction within which we exist, can we both be right?

I will phrase it in a different way then,

While I accept what you say and your right to say it I whole heartedly cannot agree with you.

Feel better now...

originally posted by: 0utbr3aK
even back then the images seem censored. They do not show the true horrors of war. It seems like joining the military is hanging out with a bunch of dudes and shooting rounds occasionally. I wish they would depict the real wars.

a reply to: purplemer

I'm not sure a camera could capture what went on in the mind of a soldier, and the true horrors of war. Hunting and being hunted. I think these get pretty close. Cold, hiding, isolated, eating c-rations, very little to comfort them (only one another). I see fatigue and a glazed distant look. The only way to survive trauma is to appear ok. If someone acts traumatized they lose it and therefore don't survive. I'm sure many lost it. They didn't look far from it, and would have endured permanent damage from the ongoing stress.

It's haunting that this mans ID and camera were found all these years later. We should take it as a sign to not let it get this bad again.

a reply to: 0utbr3aK

You really ought to check out the Ken Burns series I cite above.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Lots of original footage from WW2...showing the horror.
Clips of soldiers who survived WW2, being interviewed for the series.
How US civilians were POWs.
How the US interred Japanese-Americans....

I also get the impression the stuff shown in newsreels at movie theatres back then showed more than we think.

Just as EvillerBob said above, this has turned out to be a hoax.

At least one other site has confirmed this:

A few days after posting the article, our Editor-in-Chief began receiving emails from concerned readers notifying us that the story was fabricated and that they had seen these photos before. In fact, they are from the US Wartime Archives and have even made their way into the appropriately titled book Images of War: Battle of the Bulge.

It’s both crushing and embarrassing that we were pulled into the hoax along with so many other publications. In the high-speed world of online news where, as Mark Twain put it, “a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes,” we continuously strive to be part of the solution, not the problem. petapixel.com...

Update 2014.07.05: It now appears that the discovery of the camera was real, but the photos were faked.

Here's a note from troubleshooters.com via Tactical Fanboy:

UPDATE: I have removed the photos that were originally posted. Unfortunately, embarrassingly, and dishearteningly, at least two of the photos have been found in the National Archives and were not from Louis's camera. To clarify, Mark Anderson and Terry Janes were acting in good faith based on the information provided to them, and the camera was discovered by Mark Anderson at the coordinates provided below. He was not, however, present in the dark room in Echternach (where the film was supposedly developed), nor did he see the negatives or prints. From what I understand, two of the photos are from the US Army Signal Corps. io9.com...