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(15) “United States” means
A ) a Federal corporation;(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or(C) an instrumentality of the United States
U.S Code
originally posted by: defcon5
a reply to: MX61000
(15) “United States” means
A ) a Federal corporation;(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or(C) an instrumentality of the United States
U.S Code
“The US is a corporation, and I'm no longer an employee”, etc... just doesn't fly in the real world.
originally posted by: antoinemarionette
a reply to: Montana
I know, it does sound a bit wobbly... however it was created by an attorney who says its 100% legal and people have won multiple cases with these arguments. Go figure.
Ongoing OPPT court cases
originally posted by: defcon5
a reply to: MX61000
(15) “United States” means
A ) a Federal corporation;(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or(C) an instrumentality of the United States
U.S Code
The USC has only existed since 1873.
Are you trying to say that everyone was a "sovereign" and no laws applied to anyone before the USC? No one was arrested, no one was tried, no one was executed or imprisoned, in this country from 1776 until 1873?
This is just one point where the “freeman” stuff starts to fall apart.
There is no old law that allows you to worm your way out of being tried and sentenced by your state or country, and there is no magic legal loophole that suddenly means no laws apply to you. The US Constitution expressly gives your federal and state law makers the right to both make and enforce laws against you. Trying to say “hey your laws don't apply because reason X, and I took out a lean against my 'strawman' so I'm now sovereign”, “The US is a corporation, and I'm no longer an employee”, etc... just doesn't fly in the real world.
Article 1, Section 8, Us Constitution
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
To establish post offices and post roads;
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
To provide and maintain a navy;
To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And
To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
originally posted by: rustyclutch
a reply to: MX61000
(15) “United States” means
A ) a Federal corporation;(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or(C) an instrumentality of the United States
U.S Code
“The US is a corporation, and I'm no longer an employee”, etc... just doesn't fly in the real world.
originally posted by: antoinemarionette
a reply to: MontanaWhat I think they're doing is using Admiralty Law to establish their legal position.
This was discussed and introduced by the OPPT - One People's Public Trust - a couple of years ago.
originally posted by: Montana
I am looking through the site, and I see several people SAYING there have been multiple won cases, but no links to any decisions that state they have actually won using these reasonings and methods. I am not convinced. Do you have any links to won cases?
originally posted by: antoinemarionette
a reply to: Montana
OPPT Recognized - charges dismissed
originally posted by: antoinemarionette
I'm baffled as to where to find the dates, judges and case numbers.
Are these things usually published for all to see?