Germany arrests man suspected of spying for US

originally posted by: jhn7537
a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

Per capita, that is pretty piss poor??? Who says WE have to give ANY foreign aid out? You act like it should be expected and for A LOT more...

You keep saying you love your country. What country is that? I'm now asking a 3rd time...sigh

Monetary is one of many areas where the US helps the world... You call me deluded, but you seem to be drinking a lot of the "I want to crap on the US kool-aid"..... I have opened my eyes, I understand that my Govt. sucks major d***, I'm not defending the dbags in my nations capital and I'm also understanding that my Govt. doesn't define the country I live in. If you are judging my country off a few at my nations capital, I just feel sorry for you...

And go to any country and you will find their Govt's doing questionable things... USA is not alone here, but I can see from my time spent here on ATS that they are a fun target for a small group of people like you...

We don't have to do anything, but please don't tell me we give anywhere near what other countries do per capita.

I didn't realise that you had asked me what country I love. I'll keep you guessing, but if you haven't already then I guess you never will. Just because I say my country is dumb, doesn't mean I don't love it.

you, on the other hand, accusing me of drinking the kool-aid, seem to have a full belly of it yourself.

I find it amazing that you think the only thing the world needs is money. What I meant was culture. How about even just a tiny little bit of love? There is no love from the USA. No nothing - just a token financial gesture that pales in comparison to other developed nations - even many smaller ones.

I know that you're only trying to defend the tiny shred of dignity America has - I just gave up on that already is all.

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
I think Germany would understand just like the Gold situation..

Yes, countries should be ok with American double agents spying on them, of course. "It's ok, he's only an American!" I mean it's not like Germany am America have ever been enemies, is it?

Thanks for starting my morning off with a chuckle...

originally posted by: jhn7537
a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

Ahhh so you ARE another one of the ATS american haters... Sweet! I love whenever I can identify another one of you... Funny thing is that I asked you to identify the country you are from and you left that out... I really want to know where perfect, good people live... please tell us all where this utopia is

Please, when you make claims, how about you back them up...

Source

In my link you will see 23 billion was for humanitarian causes and 14 billion was in military assistance...

Seeing as britain gives £12 billion in foreign aid and our population and economy is 5x smaller I dont see why the US should be considered special on this acount.

O an why should modern day germany give a rats arse about US foreign aid when its not a 3rd world crap hole needing it? Actually scrub that it should care as you likley lost more than that in its gold. You OWE germany money, pay up dead beats.

There's nothing wrong with finding this spy. It's virtually a non issue. Spying between governments is a good thing, it provides confirmation that what leaders are addressing in negotiations is also happening behind the scenes.

Where you run into trouble with spying is when you start spying on ordinary citizens.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: crazyewok

This is nothing new.

As has been stated before all nations spy on each other, including allies.

In Obamas first term we broke up a Russian spy ring.
Israel got caught spying on the US.

etc etc.

Surebut the problems is getting caught

a reply to: crazyewok

I can't help wondering why, when they listen to every phone call and email made they think they are missing out on information?

Thank God people like Snowden exposed this treachery because, although the intelligence services of all countries know the game, unfortunately the publics in most countries did not and what really bothers me is the way the media have deliberately concentrated on only talking about the privacy invasion and not the obvious one which is gathering industrial and commercial secrets to put American and UK interests in the know, especially on how to steal research and
gain the advantage business wise.

Merkel probably disliked the personal invasion and was probably furious more with her own people for not protecting her phone lines better, but she is pissed about the profitability lost to Germany and the EU MORE than anything else.

What puzzles me is the peculiar relationship Britain has with the EU as it seems to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds on this one by using our secret monitoring facility in tandem with the USA and letting them put listening posts everywhere - although Germanhy has her lot of USA bases etc.

The photograph may just have been constipation though.

why didn't they just asked the Germans... its not like the level of co operation is at cold war KGB lvl...this would only makes sense if you are too paranoid to trust your allies , or you wanna own it yourself.

a reply to: crazyewok

Lol getting caught is always the problem when you spy for another country.

If your going to play stickball in Brooklyn you better know the rules.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: crazyewok

Lol getting caught is always the problem when you spy for another country.

If your going to play stickball in Brooklyn you better know the rules.

Yeah

Sure every country does spy. But if you get caught expect backlash.

Thing is the USA has been pushing there luck with Germany after the whole NSA thing and losing there gold this is something the USA really really doesn't need. I mean what next will Obama run over one of Merkals children?

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: crazyewok

Lol getting caught is always the problem when you spy for another country.

If your going to play stickball in Brooklyn you better know the rules.

Yeah

Sure every country does spy. But if you get caught expect backlash.

Thing is the USA has been pushing there luck with Germany after the whole NSA thing and losing there gold this is something the USA really really doesn't need. I mean what next will Obama run over one of Merkals children?

Germany has absolutely no right to decry or protest foreign interference in their internal affairs, they've been doing it for decades with their EU Fourth Reich.

a reply to: VictorVonDoom

The more modern nations, the US loses as an ally the worse their position will become. The US can not currently support itself with out it's allies. That's the horrible, and beautiful thing about the modern world. Our economies, and national well being rely on our allies for trade. If the US loses EU, that's a huge hit. If the middle eastern royals give up on the US meddling another huge hit. If China, who pretty much owns the US economically speaking turns on the US. Game over.

The US may have a very strong military, how ever so do most of, if not all the nations the US is currently spying on. Adolph Hitler built an impressive war machine, and the only thing that stopped him was his mistake to try and fight a war on multiple fronts. Yes, I just compared the US to Hitler.

a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite


It would be nice if you would tell us what country you hail from. I would like to move there since you are so much more culturally advanced than the good old US of A.

Dear USA,

The world is sick and tired of your fascism. You have become the very thing you once claimed to fight. If you want to eradicate terrorism, maybe you should look in the mirror first.

Take a close look: USA Today

Best regards,

The rest of the world.

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
I think Germany would understand just like the Gold situation..

Yes, countries should be ok with American double agents spying on them, of course. "It's ok, he's only an American!" I mean it's not like Germany am America have ever been enemies, is it?

Thanks for starting my morning off with a chuckle...

Noticed you didn't quote and reply to the rest of my post

These agents and actions are well know about and authorised by high ranking german officials and other western country officials they're know as back doors and open lines, there purpose is to sniff out double agents leaking to allied enemies

For instance France a NATO member and a western power are selling Russian (need I say more) mistral class carriers

Now allied countries friendly with France and fellow NATO members will have back doors and channel open with other friendly allied country's to gather intelligentsia and ensure nothing else is being leaked or handed over, high ranking officials are well aware of these types of cooperation but they're not public ally know or talked about for VERY OBVIOUS REASONS

So those of you calling for outrage and dribbling over this let me say again... WATCH AS NOTHING HAPPENS "AGAIN"

It will all be explained to those who need to know and it will disappear... Snowden and Russia are OBVIOUS troll is obvious etc etc

Thanks for finishing my evening of with a bed facepalm, Have a nice day

originally posted by: kranskik
Dear USA,

The world is sick and tired of your fascism. You have become the very thing you once claimed to fight. If you want to eradicate terrorism, maybe you should look in the mirror first.

Take a close look: USA Today

Best regards,

The rest of the world.

Dear ATS member, deny ignorance

And... deny ignorants

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: crazyewok

Lol getting caught is always the problem when you spy for another country.

If your going to play stickball in Brooklyn you better know the rules.

Yeah

Sure every country does spy. But if you get caught expect backlash.

Thing is the USA has been pushing there luck with Germany after the whole NSA thing and losing there gold this is something the USA really really doesn't need. I mean what next will Obama run over one of Merkals children?

The US haven't been caught out... The protocol has been exposed

If the US or Germany told the truth, or any other Western or NATO member told the truth on these activities there would be no doubt some back lash... But if it was explained... Only the idiots would still be against it, but the worst part would be playing I to the hands of the wests/NATOs enemies hands and therefore shooting yourself so to speak in the foot, but shhhh

He'll even Russia and the US have channels open to cooperate with each other without the knowledge of much of the US chief of staff, they was established during the hight of the Cold War to stave of total Inhalation between the CIA & the KGB

Nobody needs to get upset here it's just how things are done

originally posted by: TheGreazel
why didn't they just asked the Germans... its not like the level of co operation is at cold war KGB lvl...this would only makes sense if you are too paranoid to trust your allies , or you wanna own it yourself.

Because it was exposed to the public and those high up who did NOT know about the channels open

It's called MR PUTIN says, and mr Putin says stir the pot please Robert snowden

And yes he clearly is a traitor, and not to the US... but to the entire NATO & western alliance

Germany and the U.S. have such an awkward relationship right now. First, the gold issue then the NSA spying, now this.

Those pesky American's!

German gold situation shows everything that needs to be shown. Everyone spies on everyone, this really is not a huge deal, just politics.