1776-2014 did we just do a full circule?

Am I getting old and senile or am I Just waking up and seeing things or understanding them for what they really are.

I have been reading different stories from around the world and here in the US, sure it may be the 4th of July for us here in the United States and it makes one wonder, do you think our founding fathers are rolling in their graves about what our elected officials have done with the American constitution? and the direction our country has taken?

Since when is it illegal to fly the American flag on our own property just because some Association says it’s not in their by-laws, since when is it asked to be taken down because your neighbors find it offensive? It makes one wonder why our own president and his wife don’t honor the flag as it should be.

Are the liberals trying to ruin this country and the basic foundation on what it was founded on, or are they pushing us for a passive country that gives the power to Unlawful policemen that go around thinking that they are above the law, and think that they can shoot, beat and terrorize its citizens with whom they have to live with.

Why are we all so bent on abortion and birth control, is it not the women’s right to make her own decision on what she does with her body, I don’t think a man should tell them what they need to do with their bodies.

Why are all Politian’s the same, they all talk a mean story but when it comes down to it they are in it for themselves, they don’t care about what the people want, they just care about the companies that can fund there next campaigns.

Why are we a throwaway society, is there any company out there that wants to build a product with replacement parts, No instead we get companies that sit in their back rooms planning on how they can guarantee a piece of crap product and keep selling it to the people just to make Wall street happy.

Why is it every time you think you’re getting a head in life you are pushed backed?

So it ironic that today is Independence Day, what was it 238 years ago we the people wanted our Independence from England, why? To rule ourselves, not be taxed to death, unjust laws, the freedom to grow as individuals, to be able to speak against our government, the right to bear arms, were everyone had the chance to be someone and to have the liberty to be free.

So what’s changed? seems like we are back to the beginning, are we as a nation any better off today than we were back in 1776?

What do you think?

Happy birthday America.

...And what happened when the fighting died down?

Those "founding fathers" started their OWN taxes and repressive laws.

Ever hear of Shay's Rebellion?
The Whiskey Rebellion?

Instead of the crown pocketing the money, the "founding fathers" did...I don't see it so much as going full circle, but rather a system of near filial piety replaced by the rule of a wealthy oligarchy.

a reply to: 19KTankCommander

Unfortunately that about sums it up for me. Morality, compassion a desire to get the job done and strong backs are all a thing of the past. My dad is 95 and will soon pass. His generation instilled all those in us, as they were instilled in them by their parents and grandparents, but somewhere along the way they were lost.

This post certainly does hit home. Truly it is ironic - In all honestly, and this sucks to say, at this point I think we would be better of under British Rule still! Hell the colonists got pissed about 3 taxes and a lack of representation well guess what Americans? We still have no representation (That actually makes a difference) in the government the only difference is we now have about 350 separate taxes to pay.

It truly is sickening, here we are supposed to be celebrating America's independence and yet all around me I saw Americans subjected to government tyranny and the common American is just all to happy to bend over and take it. I feel pretty much at this point as if July 4th is simply another chance TPTB uses to distract the citizens with pretty things that go boom.

Each generation of kids in America is getting worse. 20 years from now 4th of July will probably be called Twerkfest or some such nonsense LMAO....God...Someone help us all...

OP, in answer to your question we are not one bit better off today we are far worse shape today, far far worse

And the past 6 years have put the final nail in the coffin of the good ole USA.

Freedom of speech? Just try and say anything or any word that is currently non PC, you may lose your job, or have the government take away your business or force you to be PC or close your business

Freedom of thought? the constitution does not cover that so if someone thinks you are thinking something "hateful", off to jail with you if you are white and for any reason hit someone of color, even if by accident, or even if no one even gets a bruise or red mark. (in my opinion violence against others is never right, but mind reading intent is wrong, especially when black on white violence is running rampant and is never considered a hate crime even if racial epithets are used, but if a white person or white hispanic accidentally injures a black person it is off to jail for a long time because of what they had to be thinking)

All men are created equal? Not if you have any "white privilege" in your blood. My nephew who is 1/2 hispanic, tri-lingual and married to a hispanic, was recently turned down for several principal jobs and was told the reason was he is not diverse enough (ie not black).

Love the old USA? Patriotism has become equated with being a terrorist, to fly a flag and get kicked out of your apartment, condo or HOA


The Pledge of allegiance? too offensive for non-christians and so banned from public life

The USA has officially died.

Obama has made it clear with immigration policies recently that "America" means Chili to Canada. Even if it means bringing highly contagious and difficult to treat diseases into the old USA. (Border patrol agents are testing positive for TB, the new form, which is difficult at best to treat, and frequently deadly even if treated)

a reply to: 19KTankCommander

Why is it every time you think you’re getting a head in life you are pushed backed?

Story of my life right there. If its not one thing its another. Always something.

Eta
I still love my country though. Happy 4th

Am I getting old and senile or am I Just waking up and seeing things or understanding them for what they really are.

Probably a bit of both? People always see things differently in retrospect and many are nostalgic for the world as they perceived it in their youth.

The Pledge of allegiance? too offensive for non-christians and so banned from public life

The USA has officially died.

Funny how America wasn't dead for the 160 years or so before the words "under God" were added to the pledge in the 50's because of pressure by Christian civic groups. In fact, the pledge itself was written in 1892 and was actually published as part of a marketing campaign by a children's magazine to sell flags to schools. This is exactly what's wrong with these types of rants — people getting melodramatic because of a false sense of history.

All men are created equal? Not if you have any "white privilege" in your blood. My nephew who is 1/2 hispanic, tri-lingual and married to a hispanic, was recently turned down for several principal jobs and was told the reason was he is not diverse enough (ie not black).

I'm calling BS on this whole story.

a reply to: theantediluvian

You can call BS on my story about my hispanic (correction white hispanic) nephew. But he arrived yesterday for the 4th of July and told me this happened to him in 2 of his 5 interviews. Each school said they got something like 200 applicants for the jobs and interviewed around 5 of the applicants and he was one of the 5 each time that they actually interviewed. He actually has a job as a teacher, but has completed the masters degree required for being a principal in June. He worked full time as a teacher for over 5 years while working on the masters degree.

This really happened, you can not believe me, that's your choice, but it is a very very true story which happened in Ohio in a city that is predominately black. I won't say where for my nephew's sake.

I will say that the only thing they said to him was that he was not diverse enough. Our entire family was incredulous over this, come on, half hispanic, married to a hispanic, fluent in English, Spanish, and one other language (which I won't say because it might identify him and cause trouble for him if the wrong person reads this because it is an unusual language for a white hispanic to be fluent in). My oldest daughter was the one who said "That's code for not black." To which all we "crackers" said "oh yea, you are probably right."

originally posted by: the owlbear
...And what happened when the fighting died down?

Those "founding fathers" started their OWN taxes and repressive laws.

Ever hear of Shay's Rebellion?
The Whiskey Rebellion?

Instead of the crown pocketing the money, the "founding fathers" did...I don't see it so much as going full circle, but rather a system of near filial piety replaced by the rule of a wealthy oligarchy.

The reason they started taxation was to help pay for the revolution, the interesting thing is they had yearly cost to run the government if they thought they couldn't collect that much they cut back on spending for a zero debt. .

In those days if a law was written and was more than one page it was considered unnecessary. I would love to see someone compare the amount of laws on the books in comparison to today. I think there were more pages in Obama Care than there were on the books in the days of the founders but I will check and see.

a reply to: 19KTankCommander

I agree with everything but the flag situation.
That man is just beating his head against the wall that is the HOA, he agreed to the rules, now he was to follow them.
And no one found the flag offensive at the complex,the muslim thing was click bait from what i recall,l it just had a similar rule.
In both cases it wasn't just the american flag that wasn't allowed, it was all flags.



Any way, happy forth, always nice to celebrate the day the immigrants founded this great nation.

Courtesy of Jeff Rense.com...this was the cover photo the last week. I think we need to keep a perspective. Whereas a lot of good is in our country...we are perceived differently by others.
Think about it.

It's been happening for 30 years now. I've seen the politicians constantly tinkering with the education system to "streamline", "mainstream", "bring into the 21st century", "remove the dead wood", "stop kids from rattling around like peas in a pod". Every time they reduce academic standards and make it harder for local students to compete against the international market.

The UK is the same - people get into trouble for even wearing a tiny ornamental crucifix or flying the English or British flag.

Companies are deliberately making their products more likely to break. Even Ford himself told his staff to go to the wrecking yards and see if there were any components that were never damaged. They found that the wheel pins were designed to such a high tolerance they never broke, so he reduced the tolerance by buying cheaper components.

It has become mantra to have a throw-away society. We'd buy stuff shipped across from China, use it until it was broken, they they would buy our scrap metal, ship it back to China, convert it back into new products, ship them back across the world, and the cycle would continue. Only problem was, they paid us less for the scrap metal than we paid them for new products.

The Silicon Valley CEO's kept complaining about people who kept electronic products for more than two years since they were "holding back progress". Funny thing is, my old laptop from 2005 isn't any slower than a desktop PC from today.

originally posted by: stormcell
It's been happening for 30 years now. I've seen the politicians constantly tinkering with the education system to "streamline", "mainstream", "bring into the 21st century", "remove the dead wood", "stop kids from rattling around like peas in a pod". Every time they reduce academic standards and make it harder for local students to compete against the international market.

Had dinner with the sister in law last night, we talked about common core, she thinks it will take a generation to make it work. When I asked about the kids during this generation all I got was a blank stare. She thinks it will be good, but right now she says neither the teachers or the students even understand the questions. We have lost our collective minds.

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: the owlbear
...And what happened when the fighting died down?

Those "founding fathers" started their OWN taxes and repressive laws.

Ever hear of Shay's Rebellion?
The Whiskey Rebellion?

Instead of the crown pocketing the money, the "founding fathers" did...I don't see it so much as going full circle, but rather a system of near filial piety replaced by the rule of a wealthy oligarchy.

The reason they started taxation was to help pay for the revolution, the interesting thing is they had yearly cost to run the government if they thought they couldn't collect that much they cut back on spending for a zero debt. .

In those days if a law was written and was more than one page it was considered unnecessary. I would love to see someone compare the amount of laws on the books in comparison to today. I think there were more pages in Obama Care than there were on the books in the days of the founders but I will check and see.

And in "those days" the debt was never paid. Wars with Spain, the English again,
And only white LANDOWNERS could vote for their representative who may or may not be formally elected into office even with the popular vote of the few who could vote. It was an old boy network from the start who reworked ideas to gain power not from titles and blood ties, but through sheer capital. And they got their poor to fight their war for nearly fifteen years and they never had representation until the Constitution was ratified in the early 1790's.

Did you look up those uprisings in the colonies after a cabal of well to do men signed a piece of paper to make themselves oligarchical rulers by default and the outcomes of each?

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: the owlbear
...And what happened when the fighting died down?

Those "founding fathers" started their OWN taxes and repressive laws.

Ever hear of Shay's Rebellion?
The Whiskey Rebellion?

Instead of the crown pocketing the money, the "founding fathers" did...I don't see it so much as going full circle, but rather a system of near filial piety replaced by the rule of a wealthy oligarchy.

The reason they started taxation was to help pay for the revolution, the interesting thing is they had yearly cost to run the government if they thought they couldn't collect that much they cut back on spending for a zero debt. .

In those days if a law was written and was more than one page it was considered unnecessary. I would love to see someone compare the amount of laws on the books in comparison to today. I think there were more pages in Obama Care than there were on the books in the days of the founders but I will check and see.

Why not look at how many representatives, senators, and presidents lost popular vote and were voted in by their friends sitting in office?

You can "No-Bama" all you want, but just think of the repercussions of a law written by a room full of white guys who only want to use one piece of paper. Sounds like "Everyone! Do This! Cuz we say so!" And even though we were not elected yet sworn in, we know more than you.

Anyone that thinks its just "the liberals ruining the country" doesn't really get what's been going on. The game is so much bigger than that.

originally posted by: stormcell

The UK is the same - people get into trouble for even wearing a tiny ornamental crucifix or flying the English or British flag.

I'm not sure which UK you're referring to but it's not the one I live in. Here in South London, the town hall has a Union Flag flying from it, at least two of our local churches fly the flag of St George as does our youngest's school. One of my friends had a fifteen foot flag of St George draped across the front of his house in a very multicultural area during the first couple of weeks of the World Cup and anyone who tells my neighbour he can't have the English flag flying from his car whenever he feels like it better have quick reflexes.

People wear whatever religious symbolism they like. Maybe you're confusing not following an employer's rules on jewellery with religious oppression, like that woman who tried to take on BA over her crucifix and was handed her legal butt on a plate at every stage of the process.

If people aspire to martyrdom, let them, but it's pretty daft if nobody can be bothered to persecute them.

originally posted by: MarlinGrace
Had dinner with the sister in law last night, we talked about common core, she thinks it will take a generation to make it work. When I asked about the kids during this generation all I got was a blank stare. She thinks it will be good, but right now she says neither the teachers or the students even understand the questions. We have lost our collective minds.

I find the whole situation with your Common Core fascinating.

On one hand, your public school system is deeply flawed. So much authority and responsibility for the curriculum is devolved so far down that there is no effective standardisation across schools in the same city, let alone across the whole country. That is a guaranteed recipe for inequality.

On the other, the issue lies on the faultline between states's rights and federal government. As on so many other issues, some people are completely intransigent and won't give an inch, no matter what disruption and fallout is. Particularly with a gay, black, nihilist, Muslim, Marxist Socialist president. As on so many other issues, compromise after compromise leads to an ineffectual fudge.

Yes, the idea that it will take a generation to work through (is that a human generation or a school cohort generation?) raises ethical issues but doing nothing is not an option.

Margaret Thatcher used her substantial parliamentary majority to push through her 1988 National Curriculum, in the face of serious and organised political and professional opposition (including me!). Yet, within twelve years, there had been a significant rise in attainment and, just as importantly, an attitudinal change in the profession. Tabloids screaming about falling standards and how 30% of kids are still below average aside, the objective evidence says it was an outstanding success.

A minimum - not exhaustive or overly prescriptive - legal entitlement, specifying skills and course content tied to standardised assessments should be within the reach of any democracy, but only if the will is there. The first thing each side needs to do is stop playing political football with the issue and find common technical ground.

Like I say, watching the Common Core issue develop is fascinating, as is the teaching of creationism in public schools in Tennessee and Louisiana and the whole voucher thing in some states.

umm!
so we go into space
find new planets
and start the who thing over again...