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"If your going to deny ignorance please do not encourage stupidity."
Thank you for your kind compliment, and I will say you are the first to notice, or at least mention that. I'd like to say there's a prize, but well no there isn't, other than S&F.
Firstly you put up your thread WITHOUT referring to the ATS post that drew you to the subject in the first place. For future reference, threads are for new topics not regurgitation of existing topics or extension thereof without reference in the first instance.
Yes there are skeptics and then there are pissers.
PPS: What if my ideas are too lengthy, as in this case, to be made into one post? Do I, as done earlier, proceed to write a five page paper on the ideas presented and then write "based on some of the ideas contained in X thread", while at the same time letting X thread know that I have written a thread based on the ideas contained within it? Your speedy response is requested, as I have many more five page papers to write.
Either you respond to the existing thread, or, based on the highly presumptuous possibility that you've got an original idea related to the original thread, or born thereof, YOU CREDIT THAT THREAD IN YOUR OPENING POST.
Personally I didn't think it would be so complicated for someone capable of such ego stroking.
This may sound like a stupid question, but what does that mean, both literally and to you, personally? How did you experience it? What did it feel like?
veridical psi
But knowledge advances through change; so the Razor becomes a Lobotomy as people forget Einstein's insistence that theories should be as simple as possible, but no simpler.
originally posted by: zackli
a reply to: BlueMule
Hey, BlueMule!
This may sound like a stupid question, but what does that mean, both literally and to you, personally? How did you experience it? What did it feel like?
veridical psi
first off, do you think that the scientific process, on its own merits, without regard to its past abuse, is a good thing?
If you do, you're in the same position as me. I, in fact, highly detest the misuse of science.
I'm not saying it's impossible for there to be another revolution, only that the odds will one day reach the level of the probability of Roman mythology being the correct religion to follow.
originally posted by: BlueMule
originally posted by: zackli
a reply to: BlueMule
Hey, BlueMule!
This may sound like a stupid question, but what does that mean, both literally and to you, personally? How did you experience it? What did it feel like?
veridical psi
Thanks for asking. A veridical psychic experience is one that verifies itself to the experiencer. As opposed to one that leaves the experiencer guessing. For example, lets say you have a strong gut feeling that you should avoid the freeway today on your morning commute to work. So you do.
Is that a psychic premonition? There is no way to know for sure, because there is no way to know what would have happened had you taken the freeway. Maybe you would have been in a car accident. Maybe not. So, maybe your gut feeling was psychic, maybe not. If indeed it was psychic, it was not veridical.
Maybe your experience has enabled you to tell the difference. But even so, the experience did not contain within itself its own verification.
But a veridical psychic experience, on the otherhand, is such that it leaves you with little or no doubt. For example, I'll share with you one of my experiences.
I was driving to the store to do some shopping. I turned off the main road to a side road that led to the parking lot of the store. As I entered the side road, I saw a man walking down the sidewalk. There was nothing unusual about him that I could see on the surface, but as I looked at him, my visual field was overlayed with a stark vision.
In my vision, I saw him on getting dragged off of a bus by police. It was very vivid. As I was having the vision, Jimi Hendrix was singing on the radio, 'Hey Joe where you going with that gun in your hand'. The synchronicity was virtually palpable. I was flooded by a feeling of extraordinary knowing.
So, I drove on. I entered the parking lot, went inside the store, and did my shopping. About 10-15 minutes later, I was driving home. A ways down the road, I saw a bus pulled over to the side, surrounded by police cars. As I drove past it, I slowed down and looked inside. I saw that same guy being restrained by police, forcing him toward the front of the bus. It was the exact same scene as my vision. I was stunned and exhilarated.
That was a veridical psychic experience. It contained within itself its own verification.
What strikes me here, is that this information was of no use or consequence to you personally. Its as though you passed into, close enough proximity, an information field....if you will and simply had the gear....again if you will... to pick it up.
Another thing....lets say for some reason you would have turned in the direction away from the bus. The events still would have unfolded even though you would have had no verification.
It's a subject that people on both sides of the issue can feel very strongly about. On my side, I feel strongly about it because my experiences leave me with no doubt that it is very real and very important for science to address.
On the other side of the issue, are people who feel very strongly that such things smack of superstition, gullibilty, and snake-oil, and science ought not to bother with it, except in so far as it can debunk it. If such people are not very careful, their skepticism can warp into pseudo-skepticism.