Girl kills endangered animals for enoyment and popurlarity

a reply to: TinkerHaus

i can understand what you're saying.

I just don't like the killing for sport side of it. I could never be that happy in her photos if i killed a animal. I feel to guilty and i would probably cry.

a reply to: CaptainHook

I can also understand what you're saying.

I have never enjoyed taking life - even fishing, which I do often, I always feel a little guilt. I do either eat or release the fish I catch.

I have never personally had a successful deer hunt, though I've been with friends and relatives when they have. I feel guilty then, and despite being a piece of atheist scum we have always thanked the animal, the forest, the earth, or whatever for our successful hunt.

The entire point of these reserves is for hunting big game. These types of pictures happen ALL OF THE TIME but in this case it was a young and attractive female, otherwise no one would have batted an eyelash about it. This is just business as usual and we have to consider the positive that comes from these things as well as the negative.

a reply to: TinkerHaus

I don't think her being female or attractive had to do with anything. I have to say tho, i got emotionally effect when i saw the died big cat. I love big cats like lions, tigers, and cheetahs ect...

a reply to: CaptainHook

It may not have had anything to do with your reaction, but it certainly had EVERYTHING to do with why this hit the media the way it did.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: CaptainHook
a reply to: InTheLight

I never seen a hunter kill a deer or any animal for pure sport (meaning they won't do anything with the corpse then have it stuff as a trophy) without seeking to eat it.

We are not discussing that point we are discussing singling out one female hunter where the facts of her actions are sketchy.

Absolutely. But we didn't single her out. She singled out herself by publishing those pics on facebook. Look World. See me.
She seems like fair game to me.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: CaptainHook
a reply to: InTheLight

I never seen a hunter kill a deer or any animal for pure sport (meaning they won't do anything with the corpse then have it stuff as a trophy) without seeking to eat it.

We are not discussing that point we are discussing singling out one female hunter where the facts of her actions are sketchy.

Absolutely. But we didn't single her out. She singled out herself by publishing those pics on facebook. Look World. See me.
She seems like fair game to me.

Yes, she is singled out on this thread by a few here. A more intelligent thread would have touched on hunting and poaching endangered species including many sources, not just one.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: CaptainHook
a reply to: InTheLight

I never seen a hunter kill a deer or any animal for pure sport (meaning they won't do anything with the corpse then have it stuff as a trophy) without seeking to eat it.

We are not discussing that point we are discussing singling out one female hunter where the facts of her actions are sketchy.

Absolutely. But we didn't single her out. She singled out herself by publishing those pics on facebook. Look World. See me.
She seems like fair game to me.

Yes, she is singled out on this thread by a few here. A more intelligent thread would have touched on hunting and poaching endangered species including many sources, not just one.

Yes indeed. However, her pride here is also part of the issue. Would this same girl post pictures of herself, posing with a collection of dead rats she had caught in mouse traps in her home?
No. She was posing with these animals because she thought it was note worthy and in that brings up the question of hunting. Was she hunting or not. Was she out in nature challenging it on it on its own turf or was she playing in a shooting gallery?

originally posted by: CaptainHook
a reply to: mwood
It stated under the first picture of a white lion "Conserving by killing? 19-year-old Texas cheerleader Kendall Jones really likes to kill rare animals in Africa."

"Jones's photos show her posing with bagged zebras, hugging a dead leopard, and smiling beside elephants she's killed."

Read my main post again. " what bugs me is that she enjoys killing these animals and what worst of it all, she does it for pure sport. [I can support the animal killing for food] but killing a animal for sport is wrong! "

You're not a hunter I assume. I will try to explain.

Every year when I kill an Elk which is truly a magnificent animal, I am VERY HAPPY that my hunt went well and I was successful and a ton of hard work paid off.

I am always sad when killing any creature and NOT HAPPY about killing it.

Unless I choose to be a vegetarian (which I do not) then animals have to die to feed me. Whether it is an elk I killed personally or the package of steaks I buy at the grocery store......and animal still dies.

I do believe the one I killed enjoyed a better life and is healthier than a farm raised animal and I DO believe that when I kill mine it is done more humanely and quicker than the way it's done in a slaughter house.

I also have pictures of me smiling whit my dead elk. The happiness is from the successful hunt not the killing.

I a sure I am wasting my time typing this as you and most others won't understand what I am saying. I am sure also that any hunters on here will agree with me.

She posted the pictures because she is proud of what she feels is a great accomplishment. Maybe you don't but she does.

This goes all over the place.

People complain because she shot "beautiful" animals....would it be better if she only shot ugly ones?

People mention she is rich and privileged...... would it be different if she were poor?

People bring up that she is a beautiful young girl.........What if she was old and ugly?

People complain that it wasn't hunting, just high dollar "target shooting"... True it isn't hunting like I do there is the fact that you are walking around in an area where there are MANY critters that would love to kill and eat you so it is dangerous.

I am sure the poster of the thread does things in his/her life I would find appalling and disgusting.....That's OK though. People are all different and they DO NOT have to conform to your ideals. If everyone stopped being so "offended" at what other people do and live and let live the world would be a much better place.

Seems like everyone needs a mission in life to "save something" to feel good about themselves which is fine, but people are taking it way to far.

Instead of being enraged and offended by something someone else does, try looking at it through their eyes and maybe understand why they do it.

originally posted by: mwood

originally posted by: CaptainHook
a reply to: mwood
It stated under the first picture of a white lion "Conserving by killing? 19-year-old Texas cheerleader Kendall Jones really likes to kill rare animals in Africa."

"Jones's photos show her posing with bagged zebras, hugging a dead leopard, and smiling beside elephants she's killed."

Read my main post again. " what bugs me is that she enjoys killing these animals and what worst of it all, she does it for pure sport. [I can support the animal killing for food] but killing a animal for sport is wrong! "

You're not a hunter I assume. I will try to explain.

Every year when I kill an Elk which is truly a magnificent animal, I am VERY HAPPY that my hunt went well and I was successful and a ton of hard work paid off.

I am always sad when killing any creature and NOT HAPPY about killing it.

Unless I choose to be a vegetarian (which I do not) then animals have to die to feed me. Whether it is an elk I killed personally or the package of steaks I buy at the grocery store......and animal still dies.

I do believe the one I killed enjoyed a better life and is healthier than a farm raised animal and I DO believe that when I kill mine it is done more humanely and quicker than the way it's done in a slaughter house.

I also have pictures of me smiling whit my dead elk. The happiness is from the successful hunt not the killing.

I a sure I am wasting my time typing this as you and most others won't understand what I am saying. I am sure also that any hunters on here will agree with me.

There is a vast difference between you and the girl. You are a hunter she is a killer. If everything you said is true about your hunt then you have a right to be proud because you actually hunted the animal. This girl went on nothing more than a caged hunt she was taken to the animal and then killed it. What you did takes hunting skills what she did takes zero skill all she needed to know was how to shoot her weapon. Taking pride in this is like a normal athlete taking pride in beating a quadriplegic in a foot race. When it comes to hunting sport hunters are the lowest form of life.

I really only have one question with things like this.

Did someone hunt or did someone poach? It all boils down to that, IMO.

It's my understanding she paid for tightly regulated and numbered permits issued by the agencies over there who manage the herds, and issue them whether she chose to buy one or not.

It's also my understanding the meat from her kills was harvested and distributed to people to eat. Nothing shot to rot where it lay. That is sport shooting, and something I detest in a real special kinda way. Hunting where others harvest the kill is still nothing wasted from the kill and that is, in the end, what matters.

At least in my view.

a reply to: CaptainHook

What very American teeth that young lady has.

As distasteful as what this young woman does for sport; it pales in comparison to ex gov. Palin shooting animals from a helicopter or plane.



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I have to agree that focusing on this one girl is unfair and pointless. There are many big game hunters out there and the outrage should extend to them all if that is how you feel about it. It's just not right to single out this one. Yes, she is proud of her kills and brags about it, just as any hunter I've ever spoken to has done.

Do I agree with the allowance of big game hunting? Nope. It disgusts me what people do to animals. Yet, I eat meat. Hypocritical? Yup. Hunting for sport hits my nerves though and I feel it goes beyond the carnivore argument.

Now, as it's been said here as well, you wanna get really angry at someone? Get angry at the poachers. Because there's a whole bunch of them. Or maybe the corporations that destroy hundreds of thousands of acres of endangered animal's living areas. While I'm not saying you shouldn't see outrage here, it's displaced at the singular individual big game hunter.

a reply to: gottaknow

I'm right at the line on this one.

I hunt. I've hunted for sport and may well do so again.

I would NOT go out on a safari and 'execute' game.

Why am I on the line? Because this really set someone back a pretty penny. I don't know what was done with that money. If her taking one animal leads to the production of two ... no foul. We don't know. OTOH, there's a doubt in my mind this girl stalked and took prey on her own. If she took no risk in the process ... if the kill was guaranteed ... well, that's just shameful. I don't do murder, and no one who does gets a pass from me.

a reply to: Snarl

Yes, Snarl. You succinctly make the point I have been trying to reach in this thread. This young woman was not a hunter. She was an executioner making out as a hunter. She is one of many who give hunting a bad name and as it was she who made a big deal about this slaughter I think it fair that we comment on how phoney she seems. "Great White Huntress", indeed.

Oh my goodness! Someone is doing something they enjoy that is legal while paying for it themselves, bringing funds to the smaller villages and people of Africa, and not affecting anyone else by it.

Burn her!

Honestly, people want her to take down her FaceBook pictures? Get off that site and get a life.

Stop choosing to be offended, bunch of whine babies.

a reply to: CaptainHook

Some people just enjoy killing

That photo of her hugging the leopard...there is something seriously wrong with that photo - can't quite put what I'm thinking into words

Not sure there's much difference between her and your average, random neighborhood pet serial killer - besides public kudos and money

I know someone who once was in Africa on a specimen collecting trip for a museum. They killed a lot of things to be used in dioramas. So, there's one type of killing - it's bizarre how we rationalize things, but they had very strict guidelines, rules and quotas. They ate or shared whatever meat they had after dressing their kills

Still - as much as I Iove museums - I always thought it strange to kill something then go to so much trouble trying to make it look alive again...

Anyhow, a guy who was in the same area as the museum group was there on a private hunting trip, and had a reputation for shooting anything that moved. Not popular with the locals or other hunters

He happened upon a bull elephant he couldn't resist, it was standing fairly far out in a watering hole. He repeatedly shot at it until it fell in the water

It was useless to everybody after that - couldn't get it out of the water. Was left to rot - not much good for the watering hole either

Some people

originally posted by: ArnoldNonymous
Oh my goodness! Someone is doing something they enjoy that is legal while paying for it themselves, bringing funds to the smaller villages and people of Africa, and not affecting anyone else by it.

Burn her!

Honestly, people want her to take down her FaceBook pictures? Get off that site and get a life.

Stop choosing to be offended, bunch of whine babies.

I second this motion.

Again, you might not agree with it but if you actually take all of the relevant facts into consideration you find that she has done more good than harm.

Life sucks, animals (which we are) kill one another for many, many reasons. It's just part of this journey we call life. Deal with it.

ETA: If you don't like SEEING it, you can always turn off your computer/TV and GO OUTSIDE.

a reply to: ArnoldNonymous

Stop choosing to be offended, bunch of whine babies.

Good advice

:-)

You should probably take it

(Of course - if we did - ATS would dry up and blow away...)