Hobby Lobby wins Supreme Court case, limits the ACA contraception mandate

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic Welcome to the Christian version of Sharia Law!




Your fear-mongering is weak sauce at best.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: neo96

If a women knows that a pregnancy would be disastrous to her heath to have a kid couldn't you see how she would see that it is a bit discriminatory that she has to pay for her treatment but there's a myriad of potential illnesses that might pop up in someone's lives decades down the road that have tests provided for free of charge that she will be paying for??

It would seem you have confused the forced purchase of a for profit product with "free" and with "right." Sadly it would also seem you have swallowed the "talking points" and seem again to confuse them with rights.

If a woman may die a horrible death if she doesn't get health insurance to cover her birth control so be it. What you fail to see is this:

She is not stopped from buying birth control, nor is she going to die in the same way if she will die from eating peanuts, as she is not stopped from avoiding peanuts. Sex is not right at all and if your life or death system is so distorted that 3 minutes of banging is more important then your life you've got bigger problems then birth control.

Nothing is free, despite what the talking points say. You pay what is called a premium and that 800 dollars a months is spread out among others with the PROFIT being taken off the top before any claims are paid - that is how insurance works. As an insurance company I can deny claims, deny service, deny any damn thing I want because it is my company.

Birth control, the right to have a for profit product protect against unwanted pregnancy is NOT A RIGHT, anymore then the RIGHT to have TV to protect against unwanted boredom.

The Pharma industry made birth control a doctor dispensed product for one reason and one reason only: PROFIT. Back when the wonderful pill was created it was determined that dispensing through a doctor would allow two things: Money for the doctor every three months - payday, and higher fees for the pill because it wasn't sold on a shelf next to tampons.

Birth control isn't a right, it is a PRODUCT, a PRODUCT that is sold and as long as said terrified woman can buy it there is no problem. And guess what, even if it isn't available she is fine. Here is what is so funny to me about these kind of arguments. The talking point avoids the obvious which I think you should say: "Without insurance covered birth control a woman can shag as often as she likes without the concern of pregnancy ruing the sex." Sex is the point here, not healthcare.

Lastly. Regurgitating the talking points is NOT an argument in favor of anything at all but a sign one hasn't thought anything through themselves. The government mandated people buy a private company product, a product that is centered around the system of "for profit." Consider this, if you hate Hobby Lobby's christian nonsense you can say, "I do not want to support them" and you are allowed to run them into the ground with your protest. I you hate the way the islamic terrorists use the local mosque you can run them into the ground by not buying their products. I you do not like the insurance company paying for chemo therapy due to the horrendous failure rate, why should you not be allowed to do the same? There is no difference except when you throw in the carefully crafted talking points.


This has never been done, and they did this when they knew full well that the "poor" were covered under the old system we have, and so were the rich, though the claimed it was the damn poor that were the people who had no insurance and were killing us all. While you believe health care is right based on talking points, and your believe "free" is somehow free, you have to wonder why all these rights give money to the only industry that didn't get a fair handout after 2008, a handout that would help defray loses.

Lastly. If health care, and the concern for the fellow man was the point, the law would have been one page: Those who do not have insurance, and cannot get it through a state agency, can sign up for Medicare at a fixed premium of 100 dollars a month per person for those making between 20-100k a year. They didn't do that for a reason and the reason isn't good.

a reply to: neo96

And your point? The critics of Hobby Lobby support abortions for every woman that makes that choice. Hobby Lobby also supports forced abortions. I believe their God, Jesus, calls them hypocrites.

a reply to: Annee

Personally, I would love to see more women walking around Bra-less.

I'm all for it.

Used to be that people had to PAY to see that kind of thing.

originally posted by: Annee
It is seriously time to start burning bras again.

IMO these last 2 SC decisions are a direct assault on women.

Please do, I for one will stand by this.

a reply to: macman

I'm not a Progressive.

Businesses do have rights just not the same rights as residences. Businesses fall under public commodity laws. We've been over this before I don't feel indulgent at the moment. You can cheer all you want for theocracy, I just hope I don't see you crying when it affects you... and it will.

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: FlyersFan

So, having to purchase your own contraceptive is oppression.

That is about the most moronic thing I have heard yet.


My work oppresses me because it won't pay for "insert what ever".

I want to know when Obama is going to start buying me toothpaste.

originally posted by: Kali74
You can cheer all you want for theocracy,

This isn't theocracy. It is called - abiding by the Constitution.

a reply to: Annee
I like my idea....]
Just refuse the sex since they think that is the ultimate solution!!
I bet at least some of them will stop making that suggestion after a week or so of being denied!

It's obvious that many don't see birth control as an actual medical necessity!
Na they put in with the likes of cosmetic surgery and the like!
Only a pregnancy does produce wear and tear on the body and too many can do damage.
Sometimes a pregnancy can cause permanent damage or death!

But na!! It's not a necessity for anyone! There is always alternatives! Like abstinence.
We should give it to them!

a reply to: macman

Does Obamacare STILL pay for bras?
If not, that is a definite assault on women!
OUTRAGE

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

does not mean companies would necessarily succeed

It certainly does not mean that it could fail either.

it's a can of worms.

Remember when courts forced Jehovah's Witnesses to get blood transfusions? That was their belief that went by the board. I guess it depends on how strong a religious "lobby" is to get preferential treatment.

originally posted by: Annee
It is seriously time to start burning bras again.

IMO these last 2 SC decisions are a direct assault on women.

Assault on women..how.

That they just might have to put some thought and planning into a weighty matter, like creating a human being?

That they may have to own some responsibility in making that decision?

Give me a break already...

Des

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: neo96

The Planned Parenthood that keeps getting clinics shut down because SOME evangelicals cry hard enough?

They keep getting shut down because of idiotic stuff like this:

liveactionnews.org...

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Destinyone

True. It is Hobby Lobby's right to support free abortions in China and oppress working american women.

What about men?

In spite of their popularity, most health insurance companies do not cover condoms under their plans at the present time. However, this might be set to change under the edicts of the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Under the new law, women with health insurance are likely to have access to condoms, with a prescription and without a co-pay. However, men do not have this option available to them.

personal health

Shouldn't a single male have their contraceptives paid also? I just notice so many women complaining just for the women...you never see the issue proclaimed loudly for men... even though we get the blame for the unwanted pregnancies.
Same with prostate cancer.... Did you ever see the commercial where they tell you how many men will get prostate cancer? I haven't seen it either.
But you do see the one where 1 in 9 women will get breast cancer. It doesn't sound the same when you say that 8 out of 9 women will never get breast cancer, does it?

a reply to: FlyersFan

No it's not Constitutional at all, it's pretty opposite of Constitutional. Ginsburg has it right...

"Approving some religious claims while deeming others unworthy of accommodation could be 'perceived as favoring one religion over another,' the very 'risk the [Constitution's] Establishment Clause was designed to preclude."

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: neo96

The Planned Parenthood that keeps getting clinics shut down because SOME evangelicals cry hard enough?

They keep getting shut down because of idiotic stuff like this:

liveactionnews.org...

People don't want to read the facts Neo they just want the government to mind their business unless they don't get their way then they want the government in their lives.

originally posted by: intrepid
Remember when courts forced Jehovah's Witnesses to get blood transfusions?

I haven't heard of that. So I googled. Was it a Canada thing??
supreme court cases with JWs
Looks like they won the big ones in the USA ...

a reply to: neo96

You mean the James O'keefesque sting (heavily doctored to and lapped up by ignroants needing to confirm their bias) videos?

a reply to: thesaneone

You have a funny definition of fact.