Hobby Lobby wins Supreme Court case, limits the ACA contraception mandate

originally posted by: butcherguy
I provided a link earlier in the thread showing that women can have condoms paid for by ACA plans, but men do not.

So it doesn't matter if they are sold over the counter or not. It is a discriminatory practice and it is written into the ACA.

The only thing that should have been aborted earlier on is the ACA itself, and the corporate criminals that wrote it.

I personally think the ACA was written to cause chaos internally in the USA, thus far it is working extremely well.

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: SearchLightsInc

I will ask again.

Has Hobby Lobby stopped ANYONE from purchasing this item?

It has legally disallowed them from using the company medical package for attaining them, how answer this:
How is allowing access to the morning after pill discriminating against religious beliefs? Stop avoiding the question.

I'm pretty sure the employees at hobby lobby are thankful they are offered some type of insurance.
Only "entitled" people cry for more.

originally posted by: Destinyone
I'm not a christian...just a good old tax paying lady, tired of over reaching by an ever intrusive government.

You sure got that one wrong...Bright Blessings to you, said the Pagan old lady...

Des

You'll have to forgive me if i just dont believe you. Nothing personal. It's just the internet, people will lie to suit their arguments.

a reply to: intrepid

You are now being either naive or ignorant.

There are numerous instances were on paper and recording that the Govt and members of are working to remove firearms.

Do you need me to provide you with the letter from the NE States of this? Maybe Holders comments on firearms?

Your intention of trying to use one of the issues I am most vocal about, and turn it into a comparison holds no weight.

The SC ruled that a company can't be forced to pay for a contraceptive and you and others are all up in arms about this. Yes, a well played PUN.

Would you all be just as butt hurt if a company forced it's employees to be armed while they were working?

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: SearchLightsInc

I will ask again.

Has Hobby Lobby stopped ANYONE from purchasing this item?

It has legally disallowed them from using the company medical package for attaining them, how answer this:
How is allowing access to the morning after pill discriminating against religious beliefs? Stop avoiding the question.

I'm pretty sure the employees at hobby lobby are thankful they are offered some type of insurance.
Only "entitled" people cry for more.

Right, because American workers should take what they get and shut up about it?

When did it become "entitlement' to decide how to spend your own money?

originally posted by: thesaneone

I'm pretty sure the employees at hobby lobby are thankful they are offered some type of insurance.
Only "entitled" people cry for more.

If working class people never asked for more from their employee's we'd still be living in squalid housing, paying out of your arse's for healthcare, paying for our own education, working 14 hour shift's 6 day's a week.

Really now, we should just all be greatful businesses choose to exist? yeah, thank you SOOOO MUCCCHH!!!!

originally posted by: macman
Your intention of trying to use one of the issues I am most vocal about, and turn it into a comparison holds no weight.

I keep saying this.... "just because someone saying something doesn't make it fact". I just equated one "what if" with another "what if". Not my fault if the logic hurts. It's just logic. Yeah, it hold weight.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: SearchLightsInc

I will ask again.

Has Hobby Lobby stopped ANYONE from purchasing this item?

It has legally disallowed them from using the company medical package for attaining them, how answer this:
How is allowing access to the morning after pill discriminating against religious beliefs? Stop avoiding the question.

I'm pretty sure the employees at hobby lobby are thankful they are offered some type of insurance.
Only "entitled" people cry for more.

Right, because American workers should take what they get and shut up about it?

When did it become "entitlement' to decide how to spend your own money?

You know what's the best part of living in America?

We have a choice to find employment wherever we want to.

ya that will work out just grand!! hey hon I decided that I don't want no more kids and bought this tubal kid Mind cutting me open and just following the directions??

there is a reason why the birth control pills need a perscription. people are different and therefore one is the best choice for one might prove to be harmful for the other.

and how it is an "entitlement" attitude when one is objecting to having an important part of the coverage they are mandated by the gov't to buy is removed.
take note I don't believe it will stop there... I don't believe it should stop there. I believe that if it is wrong to accept the idea that a business shouldn't have to bug into these plans than the citizen should be able to also. after all they are actual people!! the same with the gov't benefits
nor should it just be restricted to birth control which is where a big problem comes in because people can claim to believe in a lot and sooner or later their belief will step one more toes!
And I certainly don't believe that a woman who has had to rely on birth control to prevent serious health probelms and now finds herself financially penalized by having to pay full cost for them should have to participate in an insurance policy or paying tax for the poor that is paying for diet counseling for the obese!!!

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: SearchLightsInc

I will ask again.

Has Hobby Lobby stopped ANYONE from purchasing this item?

It has legally disallowed them from using the company medical package for attaining them, how answer this:
How is allowing access to the morning after pill discriminating against religious beliefs? Stop avoiding the question.

I'm pretty sure the employees at hobby lobby are thankful they are offered some type of insurance.
Only "entitled" people cry for more.

Right, because American workers should take what they get and shut up about it?

When did it become "entitlement' to decide how to spend your own money?

You know what's the best part of living in America?

We have a choice to find employment wherever we want to.

Oh yes, i always forget how their's an abundance of jobs! Especially for skilled people!

Whatever delusional drug's your on... I need some.

a reply to: SearchLightsInc

You half-assed the answer.

Here let me answer it for you.

No Macman, it did not stop any employee from purchasing anything. Hobby Lobby just won't pay for it.

How is allowing access to the morning after pill discriminating against religious beliefs? Stop avoiding the question.

If the religion of the owner(s) of a business doesn't believe in it, then to force them to provide it is just that.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: beezzer

So, SCOTUS isn't a part of the Government then?

Because this is about the decision in Hobby Lobby et. al.as handed down by the SCOTUS, which last time I checked, is indeed a part of the US Government, third "branch" I believe ... might want to consult the US Constitution, Article III.

This decision is a direct mandate from the US Government that restricts how millions of American workers choose to use their own money as expressed in their health insurance benefits ...

Yeah, actually now that you mention it, that DOES sound like most modern Communist Totalitarian Police States ... China, North Korea, et. al.

Carry on then ...

The Judicial Branch of the government successfully stopped the Executive Branch of the government from communism.

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc

originally posted by: thesaneone

I'm pretty sure the employees at hobby lobby are thankful they are offered some type of insurance.
Only "entitled" people cry for more.

Really now, we should just all be greatful businesses choose to exist? yeah, thank you SOOOO MUCCCHH!!!!

Yup, don't like it start your own company.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: beezzer

Why does there have to a master at all? Some people want (not as many as you seem to think) government to have authority over people. Others (You guys insist on calling your selves Libertarians even though the word traditionally meant Socialist) want private companies to have authority over people. Someone complaining about either doesn't necessarily favor the other.

You want to trade one master for another. I want freedom from both.

Bull.

You argue for an authoritarian-entitlement state!

a reply to: Gryphon66

And where did you get your 3rd time posted interpretation from?


Oh, haven't listened to the radio all day.

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: SearchLightsInc

I will ask again.

Has Hobby Lobby stopped ANYONE from purchasing this item?

It has legally disallowed them from using the company medical package for attaining them, how answer this:
How is allowing access to the morning after pill discriminating against religious beliefs? Stop avoiding the question.

I'm pretty sure the employees at hobby lobby are thankful they are offered some type of insurance.
Only "entitled" people cry for more.

Right, because American workers should take what they get and shut up about it?

When did it become "entitlement' to decide how to spend your own money?

You know what's the best part of living in America?

We have a choice to find employment wherever we want to.

So, in "your America" ... you're in favor of this government-mandate that enforces corporations dictating to their employees how they spend their own money then? What's next?

Is the company we work for going to tell us what to eat? No pork because it's unclean?

Hell, no meat, because it's a living animal and might be their reincarnated Aunt Sally?

Where does government-endorsed-interference end???

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: SearchLightsInc

I will ask again.

Has Hobby Lobby stopped ANYONE from purchasing this item?

It has legally disallowed them from using the company medical package for attaining them, how answer this:
How is allowing access to the morning after pill discriminating against religious beliefs? Stop avoiding the question.

I'm pretty sure the employees at hobby lobby are thankful they are offered some type of insurance.
Only "entitled" people cry for more.

Right, because American workers should take what they get and shut up about it?

When did it become "entitlement' to decide how to spend your own money?

You know what's the best part of living in America?

We have a choice to find employment wherever we want to.

So, in "your America" ... you're in favor of this government-mandate that enforces corporations dictating to their employees how they spend their own money then? What's next?

Is the company we work for going to tell us what to eat? No pork because it's unclean?

Hell, no meat, because it's a living animal and might be their reincarnated Aunt Sally?

Where does government-endorsed-interference end???

You know how silly you look by typing this?

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc

originally posted by: Destinyone
I'm not a christian...just a good old tax paying lady, tired of over reaching by an ever intrusive government.

You sure got that one wrong...Bright Blessings to you, said the Pagan old lady...

Des

You'll have to forgive me if i just dont believe you. Nothing personal. It's just the internet, people will lie to suit their arguments.

Then you haven't read a lot of my posts....but, if it makes you feel better to call me a liar...go for it. Who am I to take away your delusions.

Des

originally posted by: macman


Prime example of a hall-assed answer:

If the religion of the owner(s) of a business doesn't believe in it, then to force them to provide it is just that.

So really what you're saying is the owner(s) of the company dictate what their employee's have access to on their medical package, and they can legally dictate that decision based on their religious beliefs?

So as ive said before, a company owned by a Jehovah witness can legally not pay for a blood transfusion? A muslim can out right deny women any medical benefit's while freely giving medical packages to its male staff?

Macman... You're what's wrong with america.

a reply to: intrepid

Except it isn't a what-if. The Govt is actively pursuing this.