Ramadan or Pride Week?

Guess you all have never read Ra The Law of One! Not even sure how I could establish which one is good and which one is evil because one establishes their laws and ideals from man and the other from G_d so this is another discussion. You all keep trying to flame me and avoid the point Im bringing across that there has to be a right and a wrong here between these two lifestyles

Although there's no group of "perfect people" on earth, largely which ideology has launched terrorist attacks against innocent people and flown planes into buildings?
Duh?

originally posted by: halfoldman
Although there's no group of "perfect people" on earth, largely which ideology has launched terrorist attacks against innocent people and flown planes into buildings?

Do you REALLY want to go there?

a reply to: cass1dy09

Why does there have to be a right and wrong between those two examples?
They are both right is many peoples eyes, they are both wrong in some other peoples eyes, and the rest don't care.

If you can't explain what you are trying to say then how are we suppose to have a conversation about it.

I would also love it if you answer the questions you asked everyone else too, another point of a good thread and discussion is the OP's thoughts about.
You wanted to talk, so lets talk.
None of this I can't explain what I started a thread about

a reply to: cass1dy09


You want to know what I think? Do you ?

I think that my head hurts , my belly empty and my mouth feels like sand paper ...

But I feel humble calm and full of this unexplainable oneness with god ...best discribed as love?


Why you ask? ......because i am LSH and i am fasting for ramadan

originally posted by: cass1dy09
Guess you all have never read Ra The Law of One! Not even sure how I could establish which one is good and which one is evil because one establishes their laws and ideals from man and the other from G_d so this is another discussion. You all keep trying to flame me and avoid the point Im bringing across that there has to be a right and a wrong here between these two lifestyles

Why can't both be right for whomever wants to participate?

a reply to: cass1dy09

Guess you all have never read Ra The Law of One! Not even sure how I could establish which one is good and which one is evil because one establishes their laws and ideals from man and the other from G_d so this is another discussion. You all keep trying to flame me and avoid the point Im bringing across that there has to be a right and a wrong here between these two lifestyles

Would you prefer apples or oranges everyone?

There is no right or wrong here except the context you purposed this thread for which is wrong. I am not one who agrees with gay marriage, but in some muslim countries they are murdered or put to death by Islamic government simply for being gay. Now you want to purpose this thread into which is right and which is wrong.

In America we have a thing called free speech and the freedom to assemble. Something that is unheard of in authoritarian muslim countries. Neither side of your OP is right or wrong. It is what you left out of context and your purpose in writing this thread.

A muslim caliphate rises through a widespread democratic government. NOT a constitutional republic such as the USA. And when a muslim caliphate rises they behead and kill just about anybody who does not go along with the program. The reason a democratic government is NEEDED for a caliphate is so that a minority of people, in your case the "gays" can rise to power only to be decimated while their democratic government has both hands tied behind their backs.

Now in most cases I would agree that the gay movement has gone to far, but in this case I would say that you are not any better. Now you're trying to compare the two as if they are one and the same.

NO. NOT IN AMERICA. We don't have to like what you are, we do not have to become what you are. But we sure do respect your right to be what you are. If you want to pray to Allah at the east on every street corner in America, I certainly won't like it, but it is your right. If you want to dress in drag and go parade on the street corner thats also your right. Long as your not hurting anyone its not my business.

a reply to: beezzer
Good point.

I wish the Muslims a good fast and Eid, it's just that the question has been posed as such a moral binary.

Some really fast, some pretend (sleep all day; eat all night), and some struggle in between.
But I think it's a noble effort any way the cookie crumbles.

But how does the OP know all lgbt people are going to expose themselves and wear s/m outfits?
That's quite an assumption concerning millions of lgbt people.

There's loads of clips on YouTube of hardcore Muslims whipping each other and wearing costumes too.
Religion is not exactly free of sado-masochism.

I'd just say I'd rather have a minority within a minority honestly admitting they're doing it for pleasure with willing adult partners, than seeing people forced to do things in some parts of "the other side of the pond".

Carnival, spring-break, gay pride, cut loose and have fun.
It's illegal and morally wrong to force anybody to join a fun ritual.
However, from what I hear Muslims in Islamic countries don't have much choice ...
Therein lies the difference for me.

i didn't really know anything of the Pride Month, but now that I do I think I'm going to party extra hard this month.

I think religion has far too much influence over society for the absolute useless nonsense it often spreads.

Well here we have one Islamic view on Mother's and Father's Day:
suite.io...

That's great for them, but I'm not Muslim and nobody in the West can force that on me.

So I'm proud to say I'm not going to starve myself (or eat all night) for some imaginary being.
I'm not going to hide and spread tomato sauce all over the library's books while surreptitiously eating.
I don't feel bound by all that and I'm free - so bite me.

I say we compromise. Lets put them together and celebrate them jointly. We can call it ramadan pride. And maybe 2-3 weeks....wait, I do see a problem with daily prayers and the prostrated thing. It could give off the wrong msg. I
And offhand I cannot think of a compromise...suggestions?

a reply to: manna2
How about a starve all day and dance all night month - I bet John Hagee would look really slim for the rapture after that?

Veiled attack against homsexuals is obvious.

originally posted by: halfoldman
a reply to: manna2
How about a starve all day and dance all night month - I bet John Hagee would look really slim for the rapture after that?

who is john hagee?

More religious bull#, it doesn't matter which branch of religion it is either. They all force and prey on the weak minded fools of the world that believe in this.

We need to exterminate all religion if we are going to move forward with a better civilization. Plain and simple!

originally posted by: Skorpy
More religious bull#, it doesn't matter which branch of religion it is either. They all force and prey on the weak minded fools of the world that believe in this.

We need to exterminate all religion if we are going to move forward with a better civilization. Plain and simple!

So you want to eliminate anything that doesn't conform to how you think.

Sounds like extremism.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: cass1dy09

As long as you are not breaking the law or getting into other people's business I do not have a problem with either.

This. However, it is illegal in many of those countries (like SA) to eat or dink in public during Ramadan even if you are not Muslim, so on the aspect of freedom, they fail.

originally posted by: Skorpy
More religious bull#, it doesn't matter which branch of religion it is either. They all force and prey on the weak minded fools of the world that believe in this.

We need to exterminate all religion if we are going to move forward with a better civilization. Plain and simple!

That's scary.


Reminds me of a similar guy who put people in cattle cars and took them to extermination camps.


I've got a better Idea--let people be free to believe what they want or don't want and only mess with them if they infringe on someone else's rights.

originally posted by: NavyDoc
This. However, it is illegal in many of those countries (like SA) to eat or dink in public during Ramadan even if you are not Muslim, so on the aspect of freedom, they fail.

Agreed. I took it as if the Original Poster were asking for a United States perspective.

Most of the more world-savvy people here are aware that the Middle East has some of the most socially repressive regimes on the planet, your point about not observing their customs is a prime example. Forget a Gay Pride parade.

a reply to: cass1dy09

I guess my question would have to be which one do you agree with or think is right and which isn't?

A loaded question.

A young apprentice once tried to trick his teacher in much the same way. He held a bird in between his hands, behind his back and asked his teacher if the bird was dead or alive. The wise man said..."If I say dead, you will let it free to show me wrong. If I say alive, you will crush him to death to show me wrong. No, the real answer is between your hands."

Same here. Right or wrong is just a matter of opinion, of choice. Both are fine by me. My opinion.

originally posted by: beezzer
Which one is the good one and which one is the evil one?

Excellent question. Deeply metaphysical and philosophical.

The OP posted as if Ramadan is something good and holy. Is it? Maybe. Maybe not. Over there people are forced to be Muslim and are imprisoned, beaten, raped, and killed for not following the imposed religious rule of the land. There is no freedom from Ramadan and no freedom of thought or education in other beliefs.

Gay Pride, on the other hand, allows people to be themselves and to express opinions freely. It's freedom.

The Uber religious will call Ramadan a good thing and Gay Pride a bad thing.
But ... IS THAT ACCURATE?? Maybe. Maybe not.