EU prepares ‘solidarity clause’ framework for military use against citizens

It was difficult to know where to post this topic but since the possibility of EU citizens may take the brunt of this I placed it here. Mods please move if necessary.

With all the talk of the US militarization of police forces it looks like the EU is going to do it one better. In a nutshell the EU Commission is creating the framework for not only the creation of a specific union wide police force but are adding in military support. From what I can make of this not only could protestors or rioters in say Greece expect EU wide police force intervention but they can also expect actual military intervention against their own citizens.

It appears most of the west is now frantically preparing for a serious (*cough* economic *cough*) collapse of some sort. Isn't the economy starting to recover? Maybe not, people are having just about enough of "austerity."

European Union prepares ‘solidarity clause’ framework for military use against citizens

The EU creates a legal framework for Europe-wide deployment of police and military units . At the same time, the EU Commission is working intensively on the creation of a single EU police unit as well as an EU public prosecutor.

“On Tuesday, the representatives of the EU Member States in the Council adopted a decision on the so-called ‘solidarity clause’. Were a disaster or a loosely defined crisis to occur, the organs of the European Union would be obliged to assist using all the instruments at their disposal. This includes military resources”, warned Member of the Bundestag Andrej Hunko.

"Loosely defined crisis." That should just about cover anything TPTB and elites want. Good luck EU.

a reply to: Bassago

Well...

That's it then. You know, if the EU police are going to be involved in quelling disputes between the British people and their government, they are going to get butchered in the streets. The only reason there are not massive fatalities amongst the British police force, every time there is a confrontation between themselves and protesting groups of people (for example, during the student riots of a few years back), is because the British people recognise that our police force at least keeps up the pretence of policing by consent.

No consent will ever be given for a force of people controlled from outside our country exclusively, as this new organisation would be, to do the same work here. Many of us refuse to accept the right of the EU to meddle in the affairs of our government and our law, and are appalled at the attempts they have seen in the media and so on. If they actually try to put their will forward through a unified police force, that force will be bludgeoned into mush if they step out of line.

It will be interesting to see if Brits or Americans cave first to welcome their new overlords. It won't matter tho...whoever starts,the other will follow because the work was proven successful.

Peace

a reply to: TrueBrit

No consent will ever be given for a force of people controlled from outside our country

Understandable. Sounds like another reason for the UK to remove itself from the EU. This is getting out of hand everywhere. There's been talk (speculation?) that the US may try and get the UN peacekeepers on our southern border to help with the recent "humanitarian crisis."

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Bassago

Well...

That's it then. You know, if the EU police are going to be involved in quelling disputes between the British people and their government, they are going to get butchered in the streets. The only reason there are not massive fatalities amongst the British police force, every time there is a confrontation between themselves and protesting groups of people (for example, during the student riots of a few years back), is because the British people recognise that our police force at least keeps up the pretence of policing by consent.

No consent will ever be given for a force of people controlled from outside our country exclusively, as this new organisation would be, to do the same work here. Many of us refuse to accept the right of the EU to meddle in the affairs of our government and our law, and are appalled at the attempts they have seen in the media and so on. If they actually try to put their will forward through a unified police force, that force will be bludgeoned into mush if they step out of line.

Sounds like you guys need a 2nd amendment right to make them fear for their well being.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Bassago

No consent will ever be given for a force of people controlled from outside our country exclusively, as this new organisation would be, to do the same work here. Many of us refuse to accept the right of the EU to meddle in the affairs of our government and our law, and are appalled at the attempts they have seen in the media and so on. If they actually try to put their will forward through a unified police force, that force will be bludgeoned into mush if they step out of line.

I vaguely remember when we used to say the same thing here in the US, it's only a distant memory now. We would bend over and grab our ankles now.

a reply to: Bassago

I am not generally against the existence of, or our membership of the EU. What I am against, and always have been, is the idea that we cannot have a union, without centralised lawmaking being applied from the centre at Brussels, to everywhere else.

All the EU needed to be, is a series of trade agreements, and mutual sharing of thinking and wisdom. But law should be written by individual governments, for individual populations. No one has any business telling my nations government what it may and may not do within its own borders, and we should not seek to do the same to others either.

The EU is a great idea, but not if it has the power to override sovereign governments, or usurp policing by consent.

I guess if the EU is going this way, then you are right, we do need to hurry up and get the hell out.

a reply to: jude11

It will be interesting to see if Brits or Americans cave first to welcome their new overlords.

Yeah it will. For now it appears that the US has meekly tucked tail to their masters but if things go sideways I'd rather be in the US as at least we have some parity with the military. As far as small arms goes anyway.

a reply to: Bassago

It's not the military you need to be concerned about, it's the "militarization" of the police that Americans should be worried about.

The US Govt. knows this, which is why we are seeing the exponential increase in SWAT team, raids, and the distribution of military surplus. All while this expansion goes unchecked by the legislature or the courts.

a reply to: Bassago

Very sobering.

Is there a map of the pending EU death camps, too?

They must exist.

Thx for the thread.

a reply to: watchitburn

Quite right, the US doesn't need the military anymore as domestically they've created their very own standing US cop army and aren't afraid to use it. Read an article today that said US cops had killed more than 5000 citizens since 9/11. Almost twice the casualties of 9/11 and more than all the US soldiers killed in Iraq.

Looks like the EU is going a different way though. They're just going to call in the military to put down their citizens. Either way none of this is good.

a reply to: Bassago

Britain's locked into the E.U. The undefined crisis will guarantee that lock in.

Perhaps it is something that should be in place because it makes it smoother and easier to track and convict those involved in terrorism throughout Europe, making it a cohesive force against threats to all EU nations.

The fact it is defined as ''loosely defined'' is good because it can be put into action if there was significant threat.

Such a ''Solidarity clause'' is a good thing as it enables vast resources instead of regional /national forces that aren't all that equipped for dealing with such things as terrorism, not least because of all the regional and national bureaucracy involved in communicating between forces in other areas.

This makes the whole threat thing so much easier to deal with. Now if they add EU armed forces, that is also a good thing.

It is the politicians remit to ensure the security of the nation and if an additional task force is part of the answer then it is good that constructive action is being put in place.

Eurogendfor has been around since 2004, it isn't anything new.

Here is the actual press release for the 'Solidarity clause'', it doesn't mention anything about ''action against citizens'' which makes the article on the link you provided rather sensationalist and the thread title misleading.

www.consilium.europa.eu...

COUNCIL OF THE EUROPEAN UNION

Luxembourg, 24 June 2014
11270/14
(OR. en)
PRESSE 362

Implementation of the solidarity clause

The Council today adopted a decision on the rules and procedures for the implementation of the solidarity clause (article 222 TFEU).

The solidarity clause provides for the Union and its member states to act jointly in assisting another member state being the object of a terrorist attack or the victim of a natural or man-made disaster.

Invoking the solidarity clause is a prerogative of the member state affected. While relying on existing instruments and structures, the decision adopted today provides for a close cooperation of all relevant actors at member state and EU level who will work hand in
hand for a rapid, effective and coherent response.

The Union will mobilise all the instruments at its disposal. The Commission and the High Representative, assisted by the European External Action Service, will in particular identify all Union instruments and capabilities that can best contribute to the response to
the crisis, and take all the necessary measures under their competence.

The decision also provides for an immediate activation of the Integrated Political Crisis Response arrangements (IPCR), a mechanism approved in June 2013 by the Council. This will allow a rapid involvement of the political authorities across the EU in order for the Council to ensure the strategic direction of the response and to take appropriate action to the benefit of the member state affected.

www.eurogendfor.org...

The European Gendarmerie Force (EGF) is a multinational initiative of six EU Member States - France, Italy, The Netherlands, Portugal, Romania and Spain – established by treaty with the aim to strengthen international crisis management capacities and contribute to the development of the Common Security and Defense Policy.

EUROGENDFOR can be considered as an integrated police tool designed to carry out police missions in different theatres, including destabilized ones, in support of the European Union (EU), the United Nations (UN), the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), or possible ad hoc coalitions.

According to the Declaration of Intent and the Treaty, EUROGENDFOR is featured as an "Operational, pre-organized, robust and rapidly deployable" force contributing to the European Security and Defense Policy (now CSDP in the post Lisbon), even when deployed under non European Union structures. The European Gendarmerie Force was founded on the 17th of September 2004, in Noordwijk (The Netherlands), where the Declaration of Intent was signed by the Ministers in charge, and declared operational on the 20th of July 2006, by the High Level Interdepartmental Committee (CIMIN).

Ever since then EUROGENDFOR’s main goal has been to strengthen its operational capabilities to be ready to properly respond to eventual requests.

This path has led, at the end of 2007, to EUROGENDFOR’s first participation in a crisis management operation, the European Union EUFOR operation “ALTHEA” in Bosnia-Herzegovina. This first operational contribution was followed, in 2009, by an EUROGENDFOR participation in the challenging NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) mission in Afghanistan. From February till December 2010 EUROGENDFOR provided support to the United Nations Mission in Haiti (MINUSTAH) after the devastating earthquake that shook the Haitian Republic.

a reply to: EA006

How so? With the central banksters frantically kicking the economic meltdown down the road as fast as they can it's quite conceivable the UK could hold it's referendum on leaving the EU before the SHTF.

With the election of Jean-Claude Juncker in the face of UK opposition it looks even more likely. Frankly I hope the UK escapes from the EU.

Humiliating defeat for David Cameron pushes Britain towards EU exit

originally posted by: oblvion

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Bassago

Well...

That's it then. You know, if the EU police are going to be involved in quelling disputes between the British people and their government, they are going to get butchered in the streets. The only reason there are not massive fatalities amongst the British police force, every time there is a confrontation between themselves and protesting groups of people (for example, during the student riots of a few years back), is because the British people recognise that our police force at least keeps up the pretence of policing by consent.

No consent will ever be given for a force of people controlled from outside our country exclusively, as this new organisation would be, to do the same work here. Many of us refuse to accept the right of the EU to meddle in the affairs of our government and our law, and are appalled at the attempts they have seen in the media and so on. If they actually try to put their will forward through a unified police force, that force will be bludgeoned into mush if they step out of line.

Sounds like you guys need a 2nd amendment right to make them fear for their well being.

Funny I was thinking will all of the UK anti-gunners wish they had a 2nd amendment now. This is why we have it.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Here is the actual press release for the 'Solidarity clause'', it doesn't mention anything about ''action against citizens'' which makes the link article on the link you provided rather sensationalist and the thread title misleading.

I've found Stratrisks to be a reliable source and I just utilized the title they provided. The statement about military use was provided by Andrej Hunko of the Bundestag. Regardless of the fancy legalese the ultimate result of this could be military force used against citizens for a "Loosely defined crisis." That is a bad thing IMO.

This includes military resources”, warned Member of the Bundestag Andrej Hunko.

a reply to: Bassago

In London a few years ago there were riots, mostly looters that weren't there for anything else, many businesses were ruined, people affected. It was unnecessary, sometimes forces have to be used against citizens if they aren't abiding to our laws.

The thread title and article are inferring something that the clause wasn't put in place for, it's use so far has been more humanitarian, such as helping those in Haiti, training in Afghanistan etc. It is there for defending nations and that is a good thing.

The Solidarity clause also mentions specifically actioning against terrorism and that is a good thing, all EU nations should be thankful there is a cohesive EU strategy.

Eurogendfor is there for good purpose as is the Solidarity clause.

Some people are trying to find conspiracies in anything, it is best to be wary of some websites and their sensationalism.

Interesting... me and the missus will be in Europe for the next couple years.. Interesting times if nothing else.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Eurogendfor is there for good purpose as is the Solidarity clause.

Some people are trying to find conspiracies in anything, it is best to be wary of some websites and their sensationalism.

Good purpose? From what I've seen and read the bureaucrats running the EU only care about their own power and maintaining that power. When governments decide using the military against civilian citizens is a good idea that sounds like a bad thing to me.

In London a few years ago there were riots, mostly looters that weren't there for anything else, many businesses were ruined, people affected.

And the British police handled handled it. Do you really think turning loose the military on those people is a good idea? I get the natural disaster bit but from everything we have seen in the past "mission creep" seems to be an ongoing problem. When anyone (like protestors) is considered a terrorist and the military has "legal" authority to go after them then freedom is pretty much finished.