Book of Revelation - Past, future or present

The preterist believe that most of Revelation already prophesied the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 but other prophecies suggest that we could be in the midst of the end times.

1. There is the 1595 prophecy called the "Prophecy of the Popes" that lists all future popes with the last one resulting in the destruction of Rome. We are on the last pope in the list... en.wikipedia.org...

2. The three secrets of Fatima. The third Fatima secret released by Pope in 26 June 2000 comes under great suspicion because it basically says nothing when before in a 1980 interview, John Paul II was asked explicitly to speak about the third secret. He said: "Because of the seriousness of its contents, in order not to encourage the world wide power of Communism to carry out certain coups, my predecessors in the chair of Peter have diplomatically preferred to withhold its publication" Lúcia herself is reported to have explicitly stated that the Third Secret contains apocalyptic content. According to one source, when Lúcia was asked about the Third Secret, she said it was "in the Gospels and in the Apocalypse", and at one point she had even specified Apocalypse chapters 8 to 13, a range that includes Apocalypse 12:4, the chapter and verse cited by Pope John Paul II in his homily in Fátima on 13 May 2000

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3. In 1909, during an audience for the general chapter of the Franciscan Order, Pope Pius X suddenly fell into a trance. The audience waited in reverent silence. When he awoke, the Pope cried out:"What I see is terrifying! Will it be myself? Will it be my successor? What is certain is that the Pope will quit Rome, and in leaving the Vatican he will have to walk over the dead bodies of his priests. "Do not tell anyone this while I am alive." Just prior to his death (August 20, 1914), Pope Pius X had another vision: "I have seen one of my successors, of the same name, who was fleeing over the bodies of his brethren. He will take refuge in some hiding place; but after a brief respite he will die a cruel death. "Respect for God has disappeared from human hearts. They wish to efface even God's memory. This perversity is nothing less than the beginning of the last days of the world."

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Pope Pius X statement "What is certain is that the Pope will quit Rome" = Resignation of Pope Benedict XVI, the first pope to quit Rome in 600 years and admitted afterwards that God told him to resign during 'mystical experience' not because of health reasons;
Pope Pius X statement "Pope of same name". Pope Pius X first name is giuseppe which is Joseph in English; Pope Benedict XVI first name is Joseph;
Pope Benedict XVI remains at the Vatican. Will he be the Pope that has to walk over dead priests when he finally leaves the Vatican.

The prophecies suggest a military action against Rome, the Vatican or both. John Paul II remark suggest that it will be from the world wide power of Communism (China and Russia alliance?) that perhaps unites to tackle the NWO head on.

a reply to: glend

Hmmm. Interesting read. Sometimes I wonder if the Book of Revelations predicts the "End TImes" of the Roman Catholic Church and the Vatican. One can only hope.

a reply to: glend

It could be all. I think the prophecy/teaching relates to humanities and societies challenges more than an exact event. Specifically the challenge between governments out ruling God and the challenge for us to step up against this. About societies becoming negligent to things like technology and sin rather than the beauty of nature, life and good.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: glend

Hmmm. Interesting read. Sometimes I wonder if the Book of Revelations predicts the "End TImes" of the Roman Catholic Church and the Vatican. One can only hope.

Careful what you wish for. I personally would prefer a nest of spiders over a nest of snakes. And you never know who might step in to fill the void if the Vatican falls.

a reply to: glend

Do you have anything else to add? I like this thread

Neither China or Russia are really communist now. Now bo are more capitalist than the Americans. If anyone is still Communist, it's the Africans. Given the high levels of unemployment in Africa and the ongoing illegal migration to Europe combined with Islamification, that's where any attack would come from.

There were other predictions that Russia would go to war with China over a pipeline, but they have actually signed contracts to share resources and boost trade.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: glend

Hmmm. Interesting read. Sometimes I wonder if the Book of Revelations predicts the "End TImes" of the Roman Catholic Church and the Vatican. One can only hope.

Actually, the Book of Revelation does predict the end of the Roman Catholic Church! Read Revelation Chapters 17 & 18.

These chapters speak of a great city that sits on seven hills, which also represent seven kings, is wickedness personified, rules over the monarchs of other countries, is guilty of the blood of the saints, etc. etc.

Since the Lateran Treaty which was signed in 1929 creating the great Vatican City, which is also the world's smallest COUNTRY, and inaugurating the Pope as the sovereign KING of this country; there have been seven kings, and the eighth, who is the current Pope. This also ties in with the prophetic verses of Malachy of Amagh.

a reply to: windword

The Hopi Indians also tell we are close to a great destruction that will begin with the falling of blue star from the heavens (ballistic missile or asteroid impact who knows).

"These are the Signs that great destruction is coming. The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle against other people in other lands -- with those who possessed the first light of wisdom (perhaps China). There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as White Feather has seen the white man make in the deserts not far from here. Only those which come will cause disease and a great dying. Many of my people, understanding the prophecies, shall be safe. Those who stay and live in the places of my people also shall be safe. Then there will be much to rebuild. And soon -- very soon afterward -- Pahana will return. He shall bring with him the dawn of the Fifth World. He shall plant the seeds of his wisdom in their hearts. Even now the seeds are being planted. These shall smooth the way to the Emergence into the Fifth World."

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a reply to: Maigret

Just to add:
The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.
They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.......
And to end revelation 17: The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.

It has already happened before and will happen again until we Learn. Now in this Age, most are Aware somethings not right so Doom Porn is at its all time High. Could call it Mass Consciousness, somewhere Deep Inside we all know it is time to Realize Our Time is short.

Most will continue to say everything is just fine, nothing here to see, move on. Yet after saying this, most have problems sleeping! To aid in this so-called "It Ain't Happening" Idea, some old books have seem to reappear if by Magic! Yet most of any story, is actually Filled In. Chop down Rev into meaningful bits and what one has is nothing more then Karma.

Except that was in the past. This time it is more like God Himself; Dad coming home to find ? Just think if it was you coming back to said Planet; while leaving said children alone to Take Care of said Planet and to See This? Yet the Church teaches us that God is Kind, Loving, and our Souls can never be stripped from us! That when the day Christ shall come, We as sheep should Hide ourselves in caves and not Stand Outside Welcoming Dad Home.

Somehow We will be considered As A Whole and not as an single person. That a great rapture will take some off to heaven and leave the rest to Burn! Could be the other way you know, take the Ego Self Rightous evil bastards and Leave whats left, that is Good. Of Course, I would think Mother Nature would have a say-so First, followed by every other living thing on this Planet!

Trying to find any date is pointless, will happen when least expected and everything seems well! Best one could do is Learn to do what is right the best One Can. And Stand Up for yourself when the time comes! Plus, should be the Show of a Lifetime anyways! Why Miss It?

Never had to be Perfect, just Giving it your Best, with Your Heart! Would be nice to change the World, yet if one's Heart is only conserned with Itself. The World would not matter anyways. We might have been given Right's to everything below us. Yet the Key was to Take Care of It as Our Own!

If by Judging Yourself, Do Stand if you know You did give it Your Best when the time comes. Should not Need a God to do it for you. The World would have you busy trying to find dates, times so somehow you can switch your tune quickly. First comes the 3 days of Darkness to clear out the BS within, see where work needs to be done in your Life and start doing it.

Plus there is only a few ways a Great Quake could happen. Astroid, Pole shift, Nuke, Super Volcano and last would be we sucked Earth dry of Oil; Blood and our core heated up so much. The land turned to water.

Peace

a reply to: glend

Actually. Heard that the Blue Star could be the Space Station Itself!

Peace

a reply to: infoseeker26754

God had to give us the chance to learn very thoroughly that we cannot build a better world on our own. It's a form of tough love if you will. He sent his prophets to tell us how to do it, and then backed of to let us learn the hard way that we didn't have the willpower to do it on our own.

However, you want to look at it. It's coming, and things will be set right. Those who have done their level best to follow what we should have been doing will be the ones to move forward. All I can do is pray humbly each night for guidance. Others will seek this state in whatever way seems best for them.

I would say future because of the day of Jezreel prophecy in the book of Hosea. At the end of Revelation in chapter 20 there is a prediction of a thousand year period of time where the earth is ruled by the saints. The problem is that the day of Jezreel prophecy also predicts that event. And gives a timeframe for it to happen.

Hosea 6
1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

2nd Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

After Israel is destroyed for 2000 years it would be restored for a 1000 years.

Revelation is future events. And possibly current events as well.

a reply to: EA006

I think the signs that we are in the prophesized times are more on the actions of man the signs in the sky.
The doubt of living good life's in favour of comfortable, the reality that a global order is possible which will out rule god.
That we are possibly letting the "beasts" desires corrupt our love for each other.

The prophecies tie in because the consequences of letting the "beast" in are predictable.

originally posted by: EA006
a reply to: Maigret

Just to add:
The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.
They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.......
And to end revelation 17: The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.

That's what makes this verse so interesting! This revelation came out DURING the reign of Pope John Paul II - the fifth King - who at that stage was the 'one [who] is'!!

Think about that! This prophecy was written almost two thousand years ago... and illuminatingly, it's suddenly revealed as urgent, and imminent!!

The Pope is the ONLY monarch who reigns over the monarchs of other countries, especially those with Catholic kings or Prime Ministers or Presidents!!

The woman represents the ultimate in 'wickedness'... the word 'prostitute' represents religious and spiritual fornication [look up what that means!] - worshipping a false god/idol - which is also the meaning of the phrase 'abomination of desolation' - a false god/idol, who causes religious and spiritual desolation. This wickedness is what controls the Pope and his actions.

This Pope is behaving as a Pope should... he appears very likeable and honest, but going by the Bible, he will prove to be the Antichrist. The word 'anti' means 'against' and also, 'in place of'. And if you don't believe me, then check the titles of the Pope!

In Daniels prophecy he is told to seal up the visions of the book until the end times .In reading commentary on the Image we see early Church fathers claiming the the 2 legs of iron represent Rome .There is good reason to believe that the 2 legs represent the Ottoman Empire and that it will be revived in the end times .This vid is one of the best I have come across dealing with The Anti-Christ and end times and fits the biblical narrative much better then Rome does . ETA this vid that looks closer at the Gog Magog interpretation a reply to: Maigret

a reply to: ntech

In Revelation 17:6, which in context is about the Whore of Babylon, she [wickedness] is drunk on the BLOOD of the SAINTS/Martyrs.

If you read Revelation 20:4-6, you will see in context, this is about the Saints/Martyrs, who have been killed/beheaded for not worshipping the Beast [Antichrist] or his image, have not received his mark, etc. These are the SAINTS who live for the thousand years as PRIESTS of God and of the Son.

In Matthew 24:9 & 14, where the disciples ask the Son, what is the sign of the end of the age and of his coming - the first thing he says is to 'take care you are not deceived'. Then he goes on to say in Vs 9, 'they will hand you over to Tribulation and KILL you, and you will be hated by all [religious] nations, because of my name'... and in Vs 14, he states that this is the gospel [sic] which will be preached in the whole world as a witness to all the nations, and then the END will come!'

God's whole purpose can be summed up in four verses - Exodus 19:5 & 6, where He says to tell the children of Israel, that conditional upon their obedience to His Covenant and His voice, he will make them a kingdom of PRIESTS and a holy nation. In Revelation 5:9 & 10, it is shown that it is by his blood, that he has redeemed them to God and made them a kingdom of PRIESTS and a holy nation! This was the whole and sole purpose of his sacrifice!

a reply to: the2ofusr1

I contend that the early church fathers could not understand a book that God decreed as being sealed until the time of the END!

The traditional identifications by the early church fathers would have us believe that these are ancient civilisations, but they are long gone.

In Daniel there are numerous pointers that show these four/five nations will all be concurrent. For instance, the first three continue for a year and a season AFTER the fourth beast is destroyed. When the rock 'cut without hand', strikes the Image on its feet of clay, and ALL the nations that Image represents come crumbling down together.

You have to ask yourself, what identification/s would truly have whole nations crumble at the mere sight of the Living Breathing Son of God? 2 Thess 2:8

That identification would have to be in the context of a world/nations that have been woefully deceived into worshipping the Antichrist, and killing the followers of the Son for refusing to worship their false god.

Only in end times / latter days would Daniel be unsealed to reveal the RELIGIOUS nations of the world as those that would crumble merely at the sight of the glory of the Son of God returning to claim his own.

a reply to: ketsuko

One of the Lesions I need to work on myself. I do things on my own, ask for help although most of the time it's YT! I do humbly ask for help, although sometimes I'll I hear is; Learn to do it alone, this time. In this Age of Asking, it comes at a risk. Seems the world is waiting to catch one off guard, trick one into believing as they do.

Do try humbly to show a different way, idea. Hardest part is breaking out of the Box, you yourself Created! Then one is open to Receive, Learn and Teach while their is still time. Sometimes tossing out another thought can break the loop some are in.

Once one is outside their Box, ideas do happen to come in and change your way of thinking. If one is reading, The Sign's while walking on the Path. Something so simple, sign on a bus, Tv show, word said by another, many ways you can Know just by staying in today and not out in wonderland, planning for tomorrow or next year.

Yet, one is never Alone. Might not be listening, paying attention yet It is Always There to Help One. I pray Others get the chance to Learn this.

Peace

a reply to: Maigret

Yet, dropping all the Text and story line, Would it not Be Wise to Listen Within?

We have the world and masked is the Relig telling People How it is, How to go about finding God; Outside! To Be with, would mean Having it around, Within ones Heart, Together. Or having The Spirit within one's being is how I understand it.

How would one Know you were With unless you had some sort of glow, smile and went out of your way to help another being during this Time?

Tossing out some thoughts on this one.

Peace