AZ residents at chemtrail hearing: ‘We’re being sprayed like we’re bugs and it’s really not

a reply to: Rob48

So are you depopulating yet? Developing allergies? Got high blood barium? Turning into a lizard??

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

No lizard scales yet.

Another beauty waiting when I got off the train at Waterloo.



A proper horizon-to-horizon trail that spread right out over the next 20 minutes or so and later got turned into an X right above the City. Chemtrailers would have been having kittens.



The flight responsible for this? A Dreamliner from Amsterdam to the Caribbean, flying over at 38,000ft.

The people looking at their local airports for the "culprits" are barking up totally the wrong tree...

That orb is following you

a reply to: Rob48

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: Rob48

You just showed me certain stills of aircraft that don't have an exhaust plume (contrails) and you are proving what, some do and some don't? under WHAT circumstances. I don't see grids I just see potentially faked profiles of .48 model planes dangling/hanging from fishing wire off your neighbors balcony.

Please tell me you are joking.

I was JOKING.

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: wmd_2008

That's a shuttle, not a major airline.

EasyJet flies London to Inverness. That is one of Europe's biggest airlines. And the flights on that route reach cruising altitude, ie contrail altitude. What is your point?

Its a shuttle (and they do reach cruising altitudes of 35,000 feet even if for instance (Tucson to Phoenix 180 miles). International flights have lessoned; cabins need to be full and usually overbooked not like the old days. What I see here are not contrails, they simply don't form in a dry environment. These trails are nowhere near 35,000 feet as I'm not in any major flight path in and out of Tucson anyway. A very astute person already posted those paths and I live in a vacuum of silent airspace comparatively.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Rob48

Dude,
you captured the elusive "black" chemtrail. See, invisible orbs make them and put them just in line with how a regular contrail with a shadow might look. Very cool.

It's just a shame you didn't capture the orbs. (they smile when you take their picture)

That is outstanding; it is such a shame there are those so closed minded and without a sense of humor.

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed
Since (as some said) contrails are only occurring at cruise altitude, "the weather" of course becomes entirely irrelevant since there is no "weather" at 32,000 - 35,000 ft. You are far high above any clouds & weather at those heights.

Also..if con or "chem"trails are mostly observed at cruise altitude, it makes the chemtrail theory even more absurd. Because a trail at a height of 32,000ft will hardly ever "come down" into the area where someone observes it.

The alleged "chemicals" would in-fact drift with the air-streams, for many hours even...and then dissipate..like 100s of miles from where someone saw them. Obviously there would also not be any sort of control whatsoever WHERE the "chemicals" would finally end-up. (Not that they would since they would just dissipate all in the atmosphere anyway, there would be no way to "target" an area)

Just saying that if someone REALLY wanted to "spray", bringing out chemicals from a plane in 32,000ft height would be the most absurd and moronic thing to do, for so many reasons.

Sorry folks this was worth quoting. As said; to lay them, (chem trails) down (aluminum and barium particulates) at 35,000 feet would be sucked into the Jetstream and spread over huge areas but not with the potential desired effect/not concentrated enough (perhaps that is the point); or as I've witnessed as a local event where there should be no national air traffic at all; at a much lower altitude and the effects after the spraying are palpable, burning eyes, a dry cough, a sore throat, nose bleeds.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

(Tucson to Phoenix 180 miles)

Try about 115.

What I see here are not contrails, they simply don't form in a dry environment. These trails are nowhere near 35,000 feet as I'm not in any major flight path in and out of Tucson anyway.

Delta ATL to TUS 30k

Southwest HOU to PHX 38k

ENY3877 IAH to LAX 38k

Those are just three of the flights that just recently went over where you said you are

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: vethumanbeing

(Tucson to Phoenix 180 miles)

Try about 115.

What I see here are not contrails, they simply don't form in a dry environment. These trails are nowhere near 35,000 feet as I'm not in any major flight path in and out of Tucson anyway.

Delta ATL to TUS 30k
Southwest HOU to PHX 38k
ENY3877 IAH to LAX 38k

Those are just three of the flights that just recently went over where you said you are

Not over my area. This is a no fly zone (as in military airspace takes priority over commercial), 60 miles from the Mexico border, this is a huge homeland security ZONE. Commercial aircraft fly routes would be at least 80 miles to the north and not visible (or their contrails).

originally posted by: wmd_2008

REALLY

Night clouds or noctilucent clouds are tenuous cloud-like phenomena

I was talking about THE WEATHER, not some obscure "tenuous cloud-like phenomena".
Anyone who ever flew KNOWS there is no weather that high up. This was in response to some threads where someone mentioned "120F in Phoenix" (or Houston or whatever).....like it plays ANY role what the temperature "in Phoenix" is for a plane at 35,000ft. You KNOW it doesn't play a role, it is always way below freezing at those heights. (There are of course winds and air streams etc... but I was referring to the general "weather" someone mentioned on ground).

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
Not over my area. This is a no fly zone (as in military airspace takes priority over commercial), 60 miles from the Mexico border, this is a huge homeland security ZONE. Commercial aircraft fly routes would be at least 80 miles to the north and not visible (or their contrails).

Got any actual FAA NOTAMS or airspace designations to support that?

How do aircraft fly between Mexico and het US - do they all wander out over the Gulf of Mexico or the Pacific??

Here's a shot of FR24 from about a minute ago - eth ground scale is in the bottom right corner - there seem to be dozens of a/c flying within 50km of the Mexican border.




This makes me think you are inventing your information.

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
Not over my area. This is a no fly zone (as in military airspace takes priority over commercial), 60 miles from the Mexico border, this is a huge homeland security ZONE. Commercial aircraft fly routes would be at least 80 miles to the north and not visible (or their contrails).

Got any actual FAA NOTAMS or airspace designations to support that?

How do aircraft fly between Mexico and het US - do they all wander out over the Gulf of Mexico or the Pacific??

Here's a shot of FR24 from about a minute ago - eth ground scale is in the bottom right corner - there seem to be dozens of a/c flying within 50km of the Mexican border.

This makes me think you are inventing your information.

Nice work, if you look at the void on your pic that exists below Tucson and the border of Mexico you will see NO air traffic at all. Not sure what you are perceiving here (perhaps missing where the Border between the US and Mexico is). This traffic you have shown is at least 125 miles north of that border; mainly into Phoenix 'SkyHarbor". Do you see the roundabout turns into Tucson International from a western approach landing (there is a reason for this), its called a no fly zone south from the border. As to the question of how aircraft fly between Mexico and the US as 'wanderers' they are probably disguised or mistaken as Pelicans.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
Not over my area. This is a no fly zone (as in military airspace takes priority over commercial), 60 miles from the Mexico border, this is a huge homeland security ZONE. Commercial aircraft fly routes would be at least 80 miles to the north and not visible (or their contrails).

Got any actual FAA NOTAMS or airspace designations to support that?

How do aircraft fly between Mexico and het US - do they all wander out over the Gulf of Mexico or the Pacific??

Here's a shot of FR24 from about a minute ago - eth ground scale is in the bottom right corner - there seem to be dozens of a/c flying within 50km of the Mexican border.

This makes me think you are inventing your information.

Nice work, if you look at the void on your pic that exists below Tucson and the border of Mexico you will see NO air traffic at all.

Well this is very odd because I've just watched US Airways AWE404 fly directly north over the border towards Tucson on it's way to Phoenix

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed
Since (as some said) contrails are only occurring at cruise altitude, "the weather" of course becomes entirely irrelevant since there is no "weather" at 32,000 - 35,000 ft. You are far high above any clouds & weather at those heights.

Also..if con or "chem"trails are mostly observed at cruise altitude, it makes the chemtrail theory even more absurd. Because a trail at a height of 32,000ft will hardly ever "come down" into the area where someone observes it.

The alleged "chemicals" would in-fact drift with the air-streams, for many hours even...and then dissipate..like 100s of miles from where someone saw them. Obviously there would also not be any sort of control whatsoever WHERE the "chemicals" would finally end-up. (Not that they would since they would just dissipate all in the atmosphere anyway, there would be no way to "target" an area)

Just saying that if someone REALLY wanted to "spray", bringing out chemicals from a plane in 32,000ft height would be the most absurd and moronic thing to do, for so many reasons.

Sorry folks this was worth quoting. As said; to lay them, (chem trails) down (aluminum and barium particulates) at 35,000 feet would be sucked into the Jetstream and spread over huge areas but not with the potential desired effect/not concentrated enough (perhaps that is the point); or as I've witnessed as a local event where there should be no national air traffic at all; at a much lower altitude and the effects after the spraying are palpable, burning eyes, a dry cough, a sore throat, nose bleeds.

Could you show us JUST ONE photo of these alleged "aluminium and barium particulate" tails over your area, and show how you determined their altitude?

In this photo I took yesterday morning, the wider trail was laid at 38,000 feet (and is about 20 minutes old) and the newer, thinner trail crossing it was a private jet at 41,000 feet. I know this because I tracked the flights. How can you tell from the photo?



BTW, no trails in my area this morning. I am working on a new thread that will illustrate exactly why this is and, I am hoping, allow me to FORECAST with pretty good accuracy whether there will be any trails the following day. Purely using meteorology.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Not over my area. This is a no fly zone (as in military airspace takes priority over commercial), 60 miles from the Mexico border, this is a huge homeland security ZONE. Commercial aircraft fly routes would be at least 80 miles to the north and not visible (or their contrails).

Yes over your area. American Airlines doesn't recognize your 'no fly zone' decree. Are you just making it up as you go?

This plane is about 80 miles east of Davis-Monthan AFB and about 60 miles north of Mexico.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Funny, I don't see any evidence of a no-fly zone over the border. Take a look at this satellite image (from June 3 2014).

Mucho contrails right down across Tucson and crossing the border.


The east-west corridor to Phoenix also shows up nicely across the top of the image.

Image is from earthdata.nasa.gov...

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Not sure what you are perceiving here (perhaps missing where the Border between the US and Mexico is). This traffic you have shown is at least 125 miles north of that border

Words and numbers don't mean what you seem to think they do. Take another look.


I-10 heading east from Tucson never goes more than 80 miles north of the border. The FR 24 shot shows a plane south of I-10 near where you claim to be in a 'no fly zone'.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
Nice work, if you look at the void on your pic that exists below Tucson and the border of Mexico you will see NO air traffic at all.

That void is less than the 80 miles you suggest. And ther are a large number of aircraft that are within 30 miles (50km) of the border.

Not sure what you are perceiving here (perhaps missing where the Border between the US and Mexico is).

The border is clearly marked - you can blow up the picture to see it.

This traffic you have shown is at least 125 miles north of that border;

the scale is in the bottom right of the picture - the "line" of traffic along the border is well within the 50km scale distance.

Your response provides me with more evidence that you do not know what you are talking about.

originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: veteranhumanbeing

Nice work, if you look at the void on your pic that exists below Tucson and the border of Mexico you will see NO air traffic at all.

Well this is very odd because I've just watched US Airways AWE404 fly directly north over the border towards Tucson on it's way to Phoenix

From what farm or tin shack in Sonora Mexico?. Major international airports in Mexico in that area? Why would it fly towards Tucson, Phoenix is to the northeast and how would you know its final destination?

a reply to: vethumanbeing
lol - more evidence you have no idea!!

He would know the destination because

1/ he can look the flight number up on the web and find out; or
2/ FR24 will tell you that info when you select an aircraft!

Your failure to understand this BASIC information is almost as bad as your inability to read a map scale!