Christian cop says he kills for Christ

originally posted by: CB328
If you don't believe that religion brainwashes people, or that religious people are easily lead or mislead then you need to read this.

I see .. definitely down to religion then ... nothin else goin on in that mans head but religion, eh ?
he accounts for what ratio of christians that enjoys killing people in name of christ ?

and on that logic .. if a black man rapes someone .. they are all rapists ..
if an asian man detonates himself .. they are all suicide bombers ...

and if one person on ATS thinks that all religous people are brainwashed and easily led .. i hope that doesnt mean that all ATS members are stupid !!

originally posted by: Segenam

originally posted by: CB328
If you don't believe that religion brainwashes people, or that religious people are easily lead or mislead then you need to read this.

I see .. definitely down to religion then ... nothin else goin on in that mans head but religion, eh ?
he accounts for what ratio of christians that enjoys killing people in name of christ ?

I have the same opinion of Christians as I have of any other cult. Keep your own in check. One bad apple spoils the barrel.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I'm surprised that your post seems to be being ignored. As you point out, despite the headline and the OP, he is NOT killing anyone for Christ. As far as the source goes. I had no information (other than their name) to judge them by, but now I do. They are presenting terribly misleading information and, based on their own words, are causing people to believe something that doesn't seem to be true.

If I cared enough, I would suggest the hoax bin for this one. But if it's left standing it can serve as a warning to other sensationalists to carefully read what they're so excited about.

As a headline and article, it fails. Too bad the Op was taken in.

Actually, rereading the OP, I don't believe he was "taken in."

a reply to: CB328

If this cop believes he kills on behalf of, or as tribute to Jesus Christ, then he is deluding himself, or has been deluded by forces external.

One cannot kill in the name of Christ with any legitimacy. One is either a liar, or a fool to do such a thing, so clear is the commandment against it. There is no legitimacy to the idea that one can take lives in the name of Jesus Christ, whose compassion knew no boundary, whose love for his fellow human beings was so great that he allowed himself to be martyred for our sins, to become our saviour.

One may end up killing a person in self defence, or in defence of another, but those moments are not in tribute to Jesus. They are sins no matter how justified in the mortal realm they might appear, and are a reason to pray forgiveness from God, from Jesus. That is not to say that all Christians must be at all times, utterly pacifist, but it does mean that when the dust has settled, the unburnt cordite has been washed from ones cuffs, the blood cleaned from ones body, when the end of the day comes, one must prostrate oneself before God and plead for more mercy than one has shown.

So OP thinks this guy and his render of 1+1=2 as he sees it, is a due of brainwashing.. if it would be due a religious brainwashing there should me more than one guy who believes the same. One guy cant present the general public of religious people. Quite misleading.
In my opinion he is trying to find a something what relieves his own guilty feelings what comes with a job from the big book.. and what comes to Rambo.. he have tried too hard..

originally posted by: Xtrozero
So once again it is a religious bashing thread....

...and that's all it is. The entire article is a pathetic joke.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
So looking at the actual article from a very anti-religion/anti-conservative site he said..

SWAT officer Charlie Eipper says that he is sure that Jesus–a man of peace–supported the use of deadly force in the line of duty and explains his positions in his book.

Does this really mean "Christian cop says he kills for Christ", or does it mean that he feels that if he does kill it is not against his religious beliefs in why it is necessary to do it?

That's exactly what he says, never that he "kills for Christ".

originally posted by: charles1952
a reply to: Xtrozero

I'm surprised that your post seems to be being ignored. As you point out, despite the headline and the OP, he is NOT killing anyone for Christ. As far as the source goes. I had no information (other than their name) to judge them by, but now I do. They are presenting terribly misleading information and, based on their own words, are causing people to believe something that doesn't seem to be true.

That's what the anti-Christian crowd always does; lie, misrepresent, and inflame emotions. If they knew their actions brought blessings to those whom they attack, I wonder if they would do it as often?

originally posted by: Xtrozero
If I cared enough, I would suggest the hoax bin for this one. But if it's left standing it can serve as a warning to other sensationalists to carefully read what they're so excited about.

As a headline and article, it fails. Too bad the Op was taken in.

Actually, rereading the OP, I don't believe he was "taken in."

The Hoax Bin is where this belongs. It's garbage. I don't think he was fooled, either.

a reply to: CB328

I doubt this guy is actually Christian. Actually I am sure he isn't but I doubt he even thinks he is. This is just another communist trying to encourage an anti-religious point of view.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: SpaDe_
Lol, this "source" is about as credible as beforeitsnews and the like. Give me a break! Might as well get some motherjones articles to corroborate this story while your at it.

Didn't we just go over this???

The source is the book that the cop himself wrote. The site bringing it to our attention is the source of the article. Attacking the article means nothing if what they say about the cop and his book are true. If you can prove that what the article says is BS, fine, prove it. Otherwise you have no case.

Either this cop wrote a book illustrating what a crazy ass he is or he didn't. If he did, then who cares about how you found out about it???

Did you even bother to take two seconds to look up this book and read the summary? I am guessing that you did not, and if you did you would see that this "source" once again cherry picked information that out of context makes it appear something that it is not.

Gun control is not the problem here. What we need is religion control. Take away peoples religion. No religion, no reason to kill each other. If anything we need more guns to protect ourselves from these types.

The Religious have been killing people in the name of their gods LONG before guns existed. If you take away or control guns then these nuts will find something else to kill people with. Probably go back to the old ways with swords.

a reply to: SpaDe_

Yah, I read up on it. I agree that the article wasn't exactly non-bias in the way they represented him either. But it's still a cop who's using religion to make the claim that is good to go around "Killing the Bad People". Problem is, sometimes "The Bad People" isn't always able to be judged correctly nor is Man supposed to be that Judge because he thinks so in some book he interpreted. I don't really care if your Religion says it is Good or Bad to Judge. The fact is, nobody should be allowed to use "A Religion" to justify their actions when it comes to killing another person. That allows for loopholes when Justice needs to be applied equally.

If you're a cop especially. The actions we each take our all on our own shoulders. No shifting the responsibility over to God or whatever Supreme Being you choose to conjure up. If it's a case of Defending another person, fine, you did the right thing, all good. If it's in the line of duty and there is an honest direct threat, ok, it happens when you're a cop. Now, sometimes it's some "Sniper" like this cop said he was during at least part of his career, who kills by command. Sometimes it's just a scared cop who pulls out his weapon??? maybe even raids the wrong place??? Shoots a dog for no reason??? Or other innocent by stander. The point is, it was him that took those actions because he chose them, he should own up to them not try and justify his guilt by shifting it to Religion.

Why is it that people are allowed to claim "Religion" when they do something they feel guilty or conflicted about. This guy is going so far as to claim some made up fantasy title of "Warrior" for God or something goofy like that. Cops don't need any more ego bloating and power hungry ideas by deluding themselves with Fantasies of Divine Service or Crusader. They need to follow the law and that's it. They should do that with Respect toward those they Serve as well. They don't always play fair though do they and it's getting worse. I find it really ironic that Religion calms the rage of those who also claim the same Faith. But that ONLY goes for their faith of course and even then it spawns sub faiths that disagree with each other even further.

For those who are Religious, just imagine this guy writing that same book but saying "Killing for Allah, Krishna, Zoltar, Zeus, Satan, etc.". Or use your own, doesn't matter, because the point is the same. It's nothing but different groups of people all claiming "Divine Authority" over everyone else. It's crazy and it's nonesense!! Believers fight with other Believers as much as they fight with the non believers too. Believe what you want but nobody get's to use their PERSONAL beliefs to justify their own choices when it comes to some judgement calls sometimes. Nor should they Promoting the idea of Killing for a Personal God. You get a massive majority all claiming individual Authority and a minority that views all those individuals just collectively insane, which they are to not see the obvious destructive double standard glaring them in the face.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Something worse than taking a life is to destroy a soul or ruin a life and taking one life no matter how unworthy it may seem to be can cause all this to there extended family many of whom may be good christians and people themselves, also it rob's them of the chance to repent and be saved.

What?
How does killing someone rob their family of the chance to repent and be saved? Guilt by association?

a reply to: SpaDe_

Did you even bother to take two seconds to look up this book and read the summary? I am guessing that you did not, and if you did you would see that this "source" once again cherry picked information that out of context makes it appear something that it is not.

I did. Here is Jesus Christ On Killing the summary:

Sgt. Charlie Eipper has been a professional warrior in the service of his country and community for approximately 23 years. He spent three years in the U.S. Army as a helicopter pilot. He presently serves as a Police Officer with the Wichita Falls Police Department in his home town of Wichita Falls, Texas. Sixteen years of Charlie’s 20 year career as an Officer of the law was spent on the SWAT team. During his term as a SWAT team member and the supervisor of the department’s Gang Task Force, Charlie has been involved in several incidents involving the use of deadly force and killing.

Charlie has been a member of Grace Church located in Wichita Falls, Texas for 20 years. He has received extensive Biblical training in the church including a close mentorship for the last 12 years with the Lead Pastor, Dr. Thomas Rodgers. While under the tutelage of Dr. Rodgers, Charlie was coached in the skill of accurately interpreting Scripture through diligent contextual observation.

Charlie earned his Bachelor of Science in Education degree in 1989 which prepared him to teach levels K-12 in the public school system. In 2004, he received his law enforcement instructor certification from the state of Texas Peace Officer licensing agency, the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement Officer Standards and Enforcement (TCLEOSE). He has seized several opportunities to teach on Jesus’ perspective on killing in both law enforcement and civilian venues.

Charlie has combined his skills in instruction with his personal experience in killing as a Christian warrior providing him the ability to connect with the reader. He has “earned the right to be heard” among his colleagues in the military and law enforcement. Considering his credentials and experience, Sgt. Charlie Eipper is the logical choice to author Jesus Christ On Killing.

Ahem,
this killer's book is "published" by himself with the help of Xulon Press:

Xulon Press is the largest, most experienced Christian owned and operated print-on-demand self publisher of Christian books. So if you're a Christian author looking for a Christian self publishing company, join the thousands of Christian authors who have chosen Xulon Press.

Self-published means he himself wrote the summary in which he touts his own killing experiences as having made him the "logical choice" to author this bunch of lunacy.

Now - where did he "learn" to examine and interpret doctrine?
At Grace Church there in Wichita Falls, TX, where he is Charlie Eipper
ELDER

Charlie became an elder in 2009. He and his wife Yvette were married in 1994. They have one son and two daughters. Charlie is employed with the Wichita Falls Police Department. He leads a K-group and enjoys teaching in the Youth and Adult Bible Fellowship classes. He also ministers to youth on short-term summer mission trips. Charlie enjoys lifting weights, running and reading.

Heaven help us he teaches a Kindergarten group!! And also the Youth and Adult Bible classes. Yikes.
THIS is the sort of person who should NOT be allowed to have a gun. Or flashgrenades.

Have a look at the church home page and doctrines under "About Us" for more. These are Bible-thumping, rapture-waiting, once saved always saved people who have their own "independent" ministry. Scary. Very scary, especially if they're turning out pieces of work like this trigger-happy killer Crusading for Christ.

But, you see, they consider Jesus to be the head of the church - so, no matter what, Elder Eipper is in like flint! He's a heaven-bound shoo-in!!

*smh* *facepalm* NOT.

INSANITY!! Insanity with a gun, an armored vehicle, and a SQUAD!

a reply to: mOjOm

I'm not defending the author. I am simply pointing out how unreliable this "source" is for factual information.

And as for bashing the "source" - the OP linked an article that linked back to Patheos, which is a good site for researching ALL different religions. This article was in the Progressive Secular Humanist section.

Therein was a link to several other sources, one of which was Christ and self-defense: Police officer lays out biblical case for killing in the Knoxville (TN) News Sentinel, a reprint of an article from the Wichita Falls Times Record News, by Ann Work - both news sites are laid out the same, and both require subscriptions, and both appear (to this non-subscriber) to be very right-wing. Funnily, when one goes to look at Ann Work's stories at the Times Record News, this story doesn't appear! (Both the Times Record News and the Knoxville News are owned by Scripps)

Another of the included sources was thefreethoughtproject.com...

Just saying - both conservative and liberal outlets have published this same story (or ones based on it) -
and this man is a loon.

And the woman, Ann Work, who has the by-line on the Knoxville article, is the EDUCATION REPORTER. Oh my.

a reply to: SpaDe_

Okay, well I just spent about half an hour tracking it back to its original source.
See my previous post for where that took me.

originally posted by: SpaDe_
a reply to: mOjOm

I'm not defending the author. I am simply pointing out how unreliable this "source" is for factual information.

Ok, but the guy is still gonna be crazy and dangerous regardless of the site talking about him. This site has a slant in one direction. Another site may call him a hero and praise him. Doesn't change the fact that he's crazy and dangerous though does it.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes and charles1952
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It is NOT a Hoax, nor is it a "pathetic joke." It's real. HE IS REAL. I did the research for you. If you look at all the sources, you'll see pictures of him - one the "elder" picture on the church site, and others of him in uniform talking to some cop-records lady.

But I suppose you've left the room by now, rather than looking further into it.

It's definitely NOT a hoax, and his own words are right there in several of the sources.

a reply to: 4evernewb

I doubt this guy is actually Christian. Actually I am sure he isn't but I doubt he even thinks he is. This is just another communist trying to encourage an anti-religious point of view.

Well, you're mistaken. He is an Elder in the Grace Church at Wichita Falls, TX - so he definitely thinks he is, and he's even gone on missions overseas to preach.

Scary. Not Communist anti-religious scary - Bible-thumping rapture Jesus the Man of War scary.

Welcome to ATS!

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: LABTECH767

Something worse than taking a life is to destroy a soul or ruin a life and taking one life no matter how unworthy it may seem to be can cause all this to there extended family many of whom may be good christians and people themselves, also it rob's them of the chance to repent and be saved.

What?
How does killing someone rob their family of the chance to repent and be saved? Guilt by association?

Buzzy he meant the person KILLED not the persons family. Also In the bible there are justifiable killings done by soldiers and law enforcers. If they do so without malice in their hearts and to protect someone or themselves they are excused from punishment for said action in the after life. Its not actually thou shall not kill its actually meant to be MURDER. Example? Kain and able. that was pre meditated,with malice in his heart.

Frickin awesome, talk about killing two birds with one stone, two things certain segments of ats love to hate, cop and christians.