Weird California sighting

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

It's standard any time a black project is refueled that most of the crew doesn't know what it is, or get to see it, regardless of the project.

a reply to: Blackfinger

No. Only the Blackbird did.

It's standard any time a black project is refueled that most of the crew doesn't know what it is, or get to see it, regardless of the project.

...............except for the Boom guy.. Oooohhh thats a new shape

Don't you think that the JP-7 can be used more for the altitude performance than the speed ? May be the green color has nothing to see with the fuel .

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: Phage

Something that flies so fast that the skin might heat up to a very high temperature.

hrmm....

which is why it be a good idea to use metamaterials and plasma sheathing so the skin dont melt off.

a reply to: darksidius

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Now a VERY interesting tidbit I just found
in my secretive travels within the aerospace
information highway.

For the Fiscal Year 2016 I've just seen a line item
in a non-classified Defence expenditures briefing
report for $208 Million of "Low-Volatility Fuel"
(No JP number or other code just "Low-Volatility Fuel"
along with numerous JP-XX series and Diesel fuels
were purchased. No accountant's line item code
was on the right side of that item other than a numeric
reference code. Further along in the report, I found
typical accountants line-item codes for all the other
purchased fuels and also the one referencing the
"Low-Volatility Fuel" which CONTAINED the letters JP7
which used an accountant's item code format matching up
with the other fuels in the previously noted line-item
accounting codes.

So a bit of misdirection was intentionally
put in there but in typical fashion someone
DID NOT READ the entire expenditures report
and DID NOT NOTICE that the JP7 accountancy
line-item code MATCHED an item on a previous page!

So at a price of $9.89 per unit, (NOTE: I still
don't know whether it was Gallons or LITRES
that was purchased!) either 20,222,446 Gallons
or Litres of JP7 are to be bought!

So again, 20+ MILLION gallons or litres of JP7
fuel IS TO BE PURCHASED for FY2016 !!!!!

In my book (correct me if I'm wrong!)
but isn't 20 million gallons OR litres
quite a lot of fuel?

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Hey , here is a question for you Bass, or Zaph.
Did the F-19A "specter" ever get off the drawing board. ( Did it ever get on the drawing board ).
Did it ever make it into the air, or just a myth ?
Cheers

a reply to: nelloh62

No, the F-19 was just the designation given to the model.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Ah, thanks. Its just I had a fuzzy memory of someone making a drawing of a craft they sighted, and for some reason the "specter" came into my mind. Old age must be playing tricks on me.
Cheers

So after 123 pages i´m not sure to remember all the details given about this aircraft, then i will make a brief portrait of it and maybe the more in the know members can do some corrections.
-Airbreathing manned platform capable of long haul flights at very high supersonic / low hypersonic speeds.
-Though no disclosing her OML it appears to be of the classy looks (Kingfish?) rather than waverider design.
-It uniquely leaves a characteristic green "contrail" of several miles and very low dispersion (almost focused).
-It goes up fast, outpacing fighter scorts like Usain Bolt in Rio.
-Very limited numbers of airframes.
-This green contrail appears sometimes in her flight, not remains the entire flight envelope.
-This green contrail is related to the propulsion system; it could be the fuel (boranes?) or some kind of plasma related tech.

I wonder if this thing has one or two engines (maybe more?), one or two rudder surfaces (maybe none?), one or two pilots, one or two ashtrays...yes, i am a smoker.

Another question : What would be the size of the fleet 10 - 20 ?

a reply to: darksidius

I'm guessing even smaller, and probably CIA (like A-12) or NRO, not USAF.

originally posted by: darksidius
Another question : What would be the size of the fleet 10 - 20 ?

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I think I might be able to answer that!

IF my finding of 20.2 Million Gallons (I am going to ASSUME Gallons!)
of low-volatility JP7 aviation is to be purchased for 2016 and IF the
aircraft is smaller than the B2 Bomber!

The B2 bomber holds 167,000 pounds of fuel (75,750 kg)
which is about 25,496 Gallons (96,512 Litres) of JP-xx fuel
and with an INTERNAL tank range of 6,000 nm/6,905 miles (11,118 km)
I am going to GUESS that the Green Lady would hold LESS FUEL
BUT have a longer range.

I am PERSONALLY going to guess that the Green Lady
has 15,000 gallons (56781 Litres) of internal JP7 capacity
with ONE in-air refuel per operational run! This means
about 30,000 gallons of fuel are being used per flight.

Sooooooo.....if for FY2016 20.2 Million Gallons of JP7 fuel
is to be purchased that is about 673 flights.

Using an extrapolation from the SR-71 program, if I remember correctly,
during the 1970's/1980's each SR-71 had a man-hours of maintainenance
per flight hour of about 18:1 which would mean about 4 to 5 flights per
month, so EXTRAPOLATING A SIMILAR FLIGHT/MAINTAIN PROFILE of 18:1
of 5 sorties per plane per month (60 flights per year) using 1,800,000 gallons
of fuel per air aircraft per year, I am going to say that 11 aircraft are operational
with one to two spares so let's say 13 Green Lady aircraft are PROBABLY what
is in the current inventory and BECAUSE of that low number, I am going to say
that the Green Lady is a CIA (Central Intelligence Agency) or NRO (National
Reconnaissance Office) project!

a reply to: Zaphod58

And there is one platform that uses JP-7 that has been flying for 26 years and counting...

originally posted by: EBJet
a reply to: Zaphod58

And there is one platform that uses JP-7 that has been flying for 26 years and counting...

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Fuel test of the JP7 sent to Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio...with testing started 1995....

for test or operations flights starting from Dryden say 1996 to 1998?

aka "Gaspipe"... ???

a reply to: EBJet

I wondered about when they got the bugs out of that and it went active. I knew a general time period, but wasn't sure.

Tr3b is Senior Citizen...maybe

a reply to: StargateSG7

My fag packet estimates on Kerosene,

F-4 Phantom none afterburner 40 Barrels Per Hour
B-52 86 Barrels per hour
F-15 on Afterburner 14400 per hour

If a barrel is 159 liters then there are about 126,000 barrels in 20 megaliters

Thats 2 engines on reheat for 8 hours....
1500 hours of B-52
and 3100 hours of twin engine none reheat.

If its gallons the number of hours can go up about 4 times.

If JP7 is not burned all the time or not reheated all the time, I recon you could quite easily run a secret military project with that amount of fuel.

Do you think the Green Lady is so old ? or is it an evolution flying now ?

a reply to: darksidius

Green lady is a Lockheed bird, the one EBjet is talking about is what caused the sonic booms in the early 90s and it is a Northrop bird. It is also the bird people kept calling "aurora" but that is not its name.

The Green lady has two engines btw.