Freaky Higgs Physics Suggests The Universe Shouldn't Exist

a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

Why should I do any of that? There is no evidence for or against god. My answer on the matter is and will always be (at least until evidence for one answer or the other materializes), "I don't know." I don't care about all that emotional crap you talked about. I care about the evidence, which isn't there. We've had this conversation before and this thread isn't even the right one to be having it again in so I will just leave it at that. By the way, I already know that all religion is wrong. We can prove at least that much.

This is why the universe didn't collapse.

(I was going to write a lengthy dissertation in response to this
question but then I recalled this video and decided to share)

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein
a reply to: ionwind

When you think about everything in it's entirety, God really is something huh? If things like this don't make you believe in God, there are many other wonders of why things are the way they are or how things operate that make you think in the back of your mind that everything was created perfectly. Whether you believe in God or not, when science says things like this I know that little voice in the back of your head says, could it be possible that God made all of this? In my beliefs, I know God made it all but even for a skeptic you have to be wondering.....

Awesome find! It is truly amazing to the things we know absolutely nothing about yet and where we will be in even 30-50 years from now!

This is the science forum, not your pulpit.

So when science says the universe shouldn't be here, what does science leave us with as an answer? I gave mine...If you don't like it, don't read it!

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein
a reply to: ionwind

When you think about everything in it's entirety, God really is something huh? If things like this don't make you believe in God, there are many other wonders of why things are the way they are or how things operate that make you think in the back of your mind that everything was created perfectly. Whether you believe in God or not, when science says things like this I know that little voice in the back of your head says, could it be possible that God made all of this? In my beliefs, I know God made it all but even for a skeptic you have to be wondering.....

Awesome find! It is truly amazing to the things we know absolutely nothing about yet and where we will be in even 30-50 years from now!

This is the science forum, not your pulpit.

So when science says the universe shouldn't be here, what does science leave us with as an answer? I gave mine...If you don't like it, don't read it!

Read very carefully:

I (we) don't know.

There is nothing wrong with not knowing the answer. That is why we continue to science.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

Why should I do any of that? There is no evidence for or against god. My answer on the matter is and will always be (at least until evidence for one answer or the other materializes), "I don't know." I don't care about all that emotional crap you talked about. I care about the evidence, which isn't there. We've had this conversation before and this thread isn't even the right one to be having it again in so I will just leave it at that. By the way, I already know that all religion is wrong. We can prove at least that much.

Why does it matter you ask? Because in the first line of your post you say nobody should come in here talking about God as the answer...So apparently you are even thinking in that direction, then you like always blast my answer because I have God within the post. That is why it matters and why I defend my position when you state that clearly in your post, with no answer by the way, just talking about how God didn't do it...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein
a reply to: ionwind

When you think about everything in it's entirety, God really is something huh? If things like this don't make you believe in God, there are many other wonders of why things are the way they are or how things operate that make you think in the back of your mind that everything was created perfectly. Whether you believe in God or not, when science says things like this I know that little voice in the back of your head says, could it be possible that God made all of this? In my beliefs, I know God made it all but even for a skeptic you have to be wondering.....

Awesome find! It is truly amazing to the things we know absolutely nothing about yet and where we will be in even 30-50 years from now!

This is the science forum, not your pulpit.

So when science says the universe shouldn't be here, what does science leave us with as an answer? I gave mine...If you don't like it, don't read it!

Read very carefully:

I (we) don't know.

There is nothing wrong with not knowing the answer. That is why we continue to science.

EXACTLY! I understand your position on the matter, clearly! But when I offer my opinion to this question which happens to be my answer, I can say what I would like to say. Whether or not you believe my answer, just because it had God in there you act like I am not allowed to say that in the science forum. Clearly science has no answer and yes they are still investigating....But why am I not allowed to speak my mind because it had God in the post? It doesn't make sense at all and is completely off topic when you blast my answer because it isn't scientific...NEITHER IS YOUR ANSWER!!

a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

In one of my links, Alex Filippenko of the University of California, Berkeley stated plainly:

"I don't think you can use science to either prove or disprove the existence of God".

That is why we have metaphysics, philosophy, and theology. These are separate areas of human endeavors.

I would like a scientific explanation first. I like the ideas of a holographic universe or parallel universes somehow affecting ours.

a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

"God did this" isn't an answer, it's the end of questioning.

This is why it did and did not happen:

a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

Please post where I said you weren't allowed to speak your mind. My position about the "god" answer is that it is just jumping to conclusions. I don't really care if you believe or don't believe in god. It just isn't an adequate or even close to a scientific answer to the question. It's just a cop out. If god exists, fine, but that isn't the question I'm seeking an answer to. I am seeking an answer (as per this thread) to why the universe didn't collapse after it first started expanding. God isn't an answer to that question. In fact it is a cop out.

My answer is scientific. With the current evidence provided it is the only logical answer that we can say for sure of. That is how science works. Just because it isn't adequate to you doesn't make it non-scientific.

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein
a reply to: ionwind

When you think about everything in it's entirety, God really is something huh? If things like this don't make you believe in God, there are many other wonders of why things are the way they are or how things operate that make you think in the back of your mind that everything was created perfectly. Whether you believe in God or not, when science says things like this I know that little voice in the back of your head says, could it be possible that God made all of this? In my beliefs, I know God made it all but even for a skeptic you have to be wondering.....

Awesome find! It is truly amazing to the things we know absolutely nothing about yet and where we will be in even 30-50 years from now!

This is the science forum, not your pulpit.

So when science says the universe shouldn't be here, what does science leave us with as an answer? I gave mine...If you don't like it, don't read it!

Science didn't say that. Scientists say that observations suggest that the universe shouldn't be here. Observations also suggested that the Earth was flat, the sun went around the Earth, and the stars we see in the night sky are still alive and well today. Let's wait and see what else pops up.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

In before someone comes in and answers this question by saying, "God". I like the answer, "we don't know." It leaves room for development of knowledge. When you already pretend to have an answer it fills up space in your world view that could be used to find the real answers to things you don't know.

I will say that it's crazy how we answer one question or questions and suddenly all NEW questions appear that are even MORE baffling than the ones we just answered. Good job OP, S&F.

This is your post. Please explain to me the science involved here. Not in other posts, in this one! This is the first post that sprung this argument in the first place and you are saying my answer wasn't scientific....Again, NEITHER IS YOURS!! Unless you would like to scientifically explain to me how this is any sort of an answer to any question at anytime other than God is a cop out. My post clearly stated more of an answer than yours and you have people back you up because I believe in God...Unreal.

OP, I am sorry about all of these off topic posts, trying to defend your stance when there is God involved is difficult to stay on task. Sorry my answer wasn't sufficient for a couple posters, but it was my answer and opinion! I have nothing scientific to add and apparently neither do most of the others here minus a few...

a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

Ok, let's list the evidence for why the universe didn't collapse:

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Hmmm... None... Ok therefore the answer to the question is currently, "I don't know." End science. That is how you logic my friend. I used the given evidence to form an observation about the question. Since there is no evidence then the only observation I can logically make is, "I don't know."

a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

My post clearly stated more of an answer than yours and you have people back you up because I believe in God...Unreal.

Your post presented an unfounded conclusion and failed to support it with anything more than "feelings". Granted, not everything you said was untrue, but you did take a lot of leaps in logic. That's not how science works.

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein
a reply to: ionwind

When you think about everything in it's entirety, God really is something huh? If things like this don't make you believe in God, there are many other wonders of why things are the way they are or how things operate that make you think in the back of your mind that everything was created perfectly. Whether you believe in God or not, when science says things like this I know that little voice in the back of your head says, could it be possible that God made all of this? In my beliefs, I know God made it all but even for a skeptic you have to be wondering.....

Awesome find! It is truly amazing to the things we know absolutely nothing about yet and where we will be in even 30-50 years from now!

This is the science forum, not your pulpit.

So when science says the universe shouldn't be here, what does science leave us with as an answer? I gave mine...If you don't like it, don't read it!

Science didn't say that. Scientists say that observations suggest that the universe shouldn't be here. Observations also suggested that the Earth was flat, the sun went around the Earth, and the stars we see in the night sky are still alive and well today. Let's wait and see what else pops up.

Agreed! Like I said I can't wait to see what we know and learn within the next 30-50 years, it should be very exciting! Again, I apologize my answer is not scientific and has God involved but it is not a cop out nor scientific. I am just trying to explain why I believe God made this all in the most scientific of ways if that makes sense. Unlike most other believers, I am open to hear other things and learn about why everything is the way it is....Unfortunately even science in this case can't explain it, YET. I hope the day comes where it does explain it, but until then I will keep deep thought on why things are the way they are and enjoy living in this great place we are in now!

originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

My post clearly stated more of an answer than yours and you have people back you up because I believe in God...Unreal.

Your post presented an unfounded conclusion and failed to support it with anything more than "feelings". Granted, not everything you said was untrue, but you did take a lot of leaps in logic. That's not how science works.

@chrisfishenstein THIS. This is what I've been trying to get across to you for the last two pages.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

Ok, let's list the evidence for why the universe didn't collapse:

...
...
...

Hmmm... None... Ok therefore the answer to the question is currently, "I don't know." End science. That is how you logic my friend. I used the given evidence to form an observation about the question. Since there is no evidence then the only observation I can logically make is, "I don't know."

So the answer "I don't know" is more scientific than me explaining my stance? See how it is with you? You are saying my answer was not scientific and doesn't belong here, yet you say I don't know and deem that as acceptable? Come on

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

My post clearly stated more of an answer than yours and you have people back you up because I believe in God...Unreal.

Your post presented an unfounded conclusion and failed to support it with anything more than "feelings". Granted, not everything you said was untrue, but you did take a lot of leaps in logic. That's not how science works.

@chrisfishenstein THIS. This is what I've been trying to get across to you for the last two pages.

I UNDERSTAND!! My oh my you are this person who has to be right, yet your answer of "I don't know" is the first time you will say you don't have an answer! You are very fast on telling someone when their answer doesn't suit you, yet you don't offer anything constructive for anyone else to learn about! I am done with this off topic nonsense in this OP, I am sorry my opinion caused a stir....People should be asking you since you are the post police....Oh wait, you don't know....

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

Ok, let's list the evidence for why the universe didn't collapse:

...
...
...

Hmmm... None... Ok therefore the answer to the question is currently, "I don't know." End science. That is how you logic my friend. I used the given evidence to form an observation about the question. Since there is no evidence then the only observation I can logically make is, "I don't know."

So the answer "I don't know" is more scientific than me explaining my stance? See how it is with you? You are saying my answer was not scientific and doesn't belong here, yet you say I don't know and deem that as acceptable? Come on

Because your answer makes assumptions about evidence that we don't have (or may not ever have). So yes the answer, "I don't know," is more scientific than your answer.

For every answer to a question that science can answer, there are an infinite more questions where the answer to them is currently, "I (we) don't know." When you start with that as your base answer, it allows for the quest for the ACTUAL answer to the question to go in any direction and not be possibly hindered by something like, say, dogma.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

Ok, let's list the evidence for why the universe didn't collapse:

...
...
...

Hmmm... None... Ok therefore the answer to the question is currently, "I don't know." End science. That is how you logic my friend. I used the given evidence to form an observation about the question. Since there is no evidence then the only observation I can logically make is, "I don't know."

So the answer "I don't know" is more scientific than me explaining my stance? See how it is with you? You are saying my answer was not scientific and doesn't belong here, yet you say I don't know and deem that as acceptable? Come on

Because your answer makes assumptions about evidence that we don't have (or may not ever have). So yes the answer, "I don't know," is more scientific than your answer.

For every answer to a question that science can answer, there are an infinite more questions where the answer to them is currently, "I (we) don't know." When you start with that as your base answer, it opens allows for the quest for the ACTUAL answer to the question to go in any direction and not be possibly hindered by something like, say, dogma.

Yet you don't have an answer and are quick to tell someone else they are wrong? Your "I don't know" answer is not scientific, and for you to even defend that position is a joke. I am done here, we have mods for post police and I am tired of you policing my answers. This is a public forum, if I want to talk about my beliefs maybe someone will agree with me...It is better than posting I don't know and arguing with someone. If you are lonely and need a hug, I would be glad to do that for you to cheer you up! I didn't know someone talking about how they see things would affect you in the way it did...