Borders Crumble, Army Gone - Iraq Spirals Out Of Control

a reply to: Willtell

Wow ease back on the ranting and take a breath dude.
The US just doesn't have that kind of power there, this is way out of their control.
Why all the fear? Good question, but the American boogeyman is NOT the answer.

a reply to: Willtell

, Curd.......Are you sure?

Anyhoo, the reason the West sin't doing anything is because for years all we heard was "No War! No War!" and now the politicians are scared stiff about intervening because of all the peace niks..

It's always been the age old problem, going all the way back to Yugoslavia - if the West intervenes, we're evil imperialists, if we don't we're either complicit or heartless bastards. It's a no-win every time. You can't have it both ways, you know.

There is also the case to make about Obama having the spine of a nematode - his foreign policy has been so iffy and direction less it is no wonder the world has gone to the crapper since he took charge. The same can be said of UK politicians, again fearing the public backlash with an election next year.

But to say the West is backing them? Stupid idea. This is going to come back and bite us hard, not least because of the several hundred UK citizens who have left to fight for ISIS over the past year - think about it for a second, what exactly is there to gain from "destabilising the Middle East?" - nothing is the answer. Depending how this pans out, there is the risk of granting Iran even greater influence and power in the region, which also doesn't work into the current Western thinking, so again, what is there to gain from backing these guys?

I bet that, depending how well ISIS do when they come up against the remains of the Iraqi army bolstered by the Mehdi Army, US airstrikes will follow - the problem for the US though is ID'ing the targets to bomb.

a reply to: Willtell

Forgot to add:

The reason they have taken over so quickly is because the Iraqi Army, as always, has the morale of a bunch of 6 year old girls and the leadership of it's Officers is as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

Just like in GW1 and 2, the Iraqi Army formations were abandoned by their Officers, with the rank & file being left to their own devices. Faced with the prospect of some brutal Jihadi's slaughtering you like a pig, with no Officer to stiffen your back, they ran. That's the thing about Arab armies - very top down and little to no experienced NCO's to keep discipline.

Throw in some corruption and some of the Army switching sides (as they were Sunni), you have your answer.

a reply to: Thorneblood

What ranting?

My scenario is clearly defined with logic, history, and facts to back it up. No body has to rant.

Just cold hard methodical logic and facts

a reply to: stumason

You accept the MSM puppet show for folks like yourself, that’s their modes-operendi in duping the public.

The liberals aren’t stopping Obama from going after ISIL it’s a well planned strategy to hold back because THEY are behind this.

You need to go to other sources other than the MSM and get the facts.

Even Rachel Madow last night had a MSM guy admit that Saudi, the US puppet supported ISIL and that the US ended up arming them.

Now you could believe that all that is accidental if you like but to do that is to fly in the face of all reason and logic.

a reply to: Willtell

ironic - You tell me not to fall for "MSM" propaganda, without even asking where I got my info from - then repeat what I have been saying since this all began. Trust me, I'm quite well appraised of "the facts".

It is also ironic you then call me to use "reason and logic", which is precisely what I have done with the information I have, when you yourself have not applied any reason or logic, instead reaching for some uber-conspiracy that, when you take it apart, makes no sense whatsoever and is so convoluted that it would be too outlandish for a plot of 24.

Saudi and the Gulf States have been sending money/arms to the more fundamentalist sections of the Syrian War for years, precisely so they can topple the Alawite regime - which is an offshoot of the Shia, hence Iranian support - because of geo-political chess games in the region and an effort to subdue (or even wipe out) those sections of Arab/Islamic society which they deem to be heretical, furthering their stranglehold on the region.

You claim your rant is backed up with facts and logic, but I don't see evidence of either. Just the same old "evil West/puppet" crap. Think about it - if the US wanted to control Iraq, why leave? ISIS would have had no chance had even a single Marine Expeditionary Force been left in Baghdad, much less any more troops, but Obama pulled out because of the anti-War rhetoric being chanted by persons such as yourself claiming, at the time, it was all a plot to "control the Oil".

Basically, now that little theory hasn't panned out, the mantra has switched to the US being behind ISIS to "destabilise" the region - to what end? It makes no sense at all and for someone so keen on "reason and logic" you seem to lacking in both.

a reply to: Willtell

Why would they go to the trouble when they own the man running the country already?

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: stumason

You accept the MSM puppet show for folks like yourself, that’s their modes-operendi in duping the public.

The liberals aren’t stopping Obama from going after ISIL it’s a well planned strategy to hold back because THEY are behind this.

You need to go to other sources other than the MSM and get the facts.

Even Rachel Madow last night had a MSM guy admit that Saudi, the US puppet supported ISIL and that the US ended up arming them.

Now you could believe that all that is accidental if you like but to do that is to fly in the face of all reason and logic.

Who's 'THEY'???

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Indeed....

The mysterious "They" who pop up in all these ill-thought out theories about evil World Domination pots, when in reality the situation is far more mundane - it's basically the old Shia/Sunni divide rearing it's head in a region where corruption, despotism and poor governance have run rampant. It was only a matter of time, really.