US Militia Fighting in Nogales, AZ and Laredo TX...no MSM coverage

a reply to: Fylgje

I was in one of their towns about a week ago, eating at their restaurant and using one of their hospitals (since it is superior to my own local one). My green eyed, blond haired, gringo self was quite comfortable with them and their extremely cordial behavior.

There was a time when illegal alien meant someone working under the table and sending home every dime to help his family back in the homeland, in this case, Central America.

That is no longer the case however. This is simply "the borders are open lets all go and demand rights". An invasion if you wish. It is. They will show you the little children and the elderly who so desperately want a new life in the MSM but that is not the truth and most of you know that. There are killers...cartel workers....prisoners...and those who have not committed crime in the US flowing over the border.

there are 1000's of children in America who need help. There are 1000's of homeless that need help. Opening military bases to house them while our own citizens and even soldiers are hungry and homeless pisses me off. Where is the president of Mexico or any of the other countries on this? Where is the meeting to stop this flow from the POTUS?

The militias to me are there to protect US citizens from these people...this is from 2010...

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a reply to: Fylgje

You pay taxes, taxes fund the alphabet boys, there for you and I funded the the problem. Rather simple really.
And why is your bone to pick with the people when they are just taking the opprotunites that are being handed to them? Can you blame the starving man for taking the food???
As for fighting for freedom, sorry to be that guy but america's freedom has never, ever, been under siege by an outside enemy other then our own government. Now if you are saying since citizens serve in the military so they fight for it then you need to check your self and understand that there is people that come over can join our service as well. It is a loop hole our US gov, again the ROOT CAUSE of the problem, has created
Oh and for the raciest comment, that is far from the truth. Usually some of the nicest people. Unless of course they can tell that you are being an ass to them.
And as if our own citizens aren't some of the most bigoted people on this planted. American rules, everyone else drools!
Personal exp, flipped my truck last year. Not one white person stopped to asks if I was ok, or if I needed help. Barley a look, just a drive by. The ones that did stop, the workers from the local nursery.
Helped me get my truck back on it's wheels, helped me move it off the street. And then stuck around till my buddy got there to tow it away.
I am even being judgmental in saying that they were illegals, but there was a small, easily overcame, language barrier so take that for ever you want to see it.
The only civil war will be the one the nationalist create cause they think they own this country.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

No the American people don't owe them anything.
The CIA does however and can use some of the their hefty drug trade profits to help those same refugees.
We're still on the hook for bailing out the big banks, please not another burden for the people to pay.
Not to mention many of these illegals are not Mexicans but Hondurans, Guatemalans and El Salvadorans.
Again, it was the CIA that has left those countries in shambles, not anything the American people ever made a choice about.
At the end of the day the American people are getting screwed by the same people those refugees are.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Fylgje

I was in one of their towns about a week ago, eating at their restaurant and using one of their hospitals (since it is superior to my own local one). My green eyed, blond haired, gringo self was quite comfortable with them and their extremely cordial behavior.

Where did I ever say that I was uncomfortable with them? I've known many Mexicans. I grew up with some, and after moving to big cities, were around them quite a bit as well. The difference is that they were all here legally. I know this for a fact. So I don't know what point you're trying to make here in this post.....

Illegal invaders have no place but in American prisons.

But the good ol' gov has been prepping American tax payers for a long time. Ever notice how Spanish is always optional on almost everything in America but no other language is? Ever notice when you go to Lowes Home Improvement how they have those big, Spanish signs everywhere??? There aren't any German signs. There aren't any French signs. There aren't any Iranians signs. Only Spanish. Press # 2 for Spanish or remain on the line for English. No other options. Gee.....wonder why that is(rhetorical).

This invasion is a planned event to help the nuts-in-charge to complete their goal. It will never work. Civil war is what it will produce.

a reply to: Sremmos80

I'm not racist against Mexicans. I love Mexican culture and whatnot. I have a problem with illegal invaders who think that they'll do as they please, and who think that, I, an American, owe them something. No American owes them a damn thing. The CIA is not by or for the American people. It's a perverted secret society who drains tax payer funds for their causes. It's not Americas fault that they can't get things going like we did. They want to steal our pie! Not just a slice, the whole pie. Not going to happen.

If we want to solve the 'illegal' 'problem' then we have to demand better from our government. We have to demand that they stop interfering in other nations and thus creating or fostering major issues that people need to flee from. They come here because we have what we deny them, though it is slipping away from us, which is freedom and a voice in how their countries are governed. But that means we can't exploit their goods and labor... so now we have refugees from Haiti, Mexico and every Central and South American country.

We support this with the products we buy, tea, soda, fruits and vegetables, sugar and an entire laundry list of common everyday items. You want to fix immigration? Be a conscientious consumer and do not buy products from companies that exploit desperate people. And don't assume fair trade labels are honest, do your research. Tell your reps to support America minding our own business, to stop being corporate, alphabet agency, and MIC whores.

Do your part or shut your mouth because then you're just lazy, spoiled, entitled and only adding to the 'problem'. If we get the hell out of their issues and our boots off their necks they will be able to get up and actually solve their problems.

a reply to: Fylgje

You say you don't have a horse in this race but you obviously do. You are hell bent on the idea that they alone are destroying this country. They are just taking what is given to them, hard to fault them for it. Our citizens did the same thing leading up to the 2008 crash, but we blame the banks not the people right?
While it may not be the average people of america's fault for mexico, it sure as heck is the USA's fault for what is going on and why it wont change. The USA won't allow it to change.

en.wikipedia.org...

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

That big statue in NY would disagree that we owe then nothing btw, or is that just one of the american foundations that gets ignored nowadays?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Fylgje

You say you don't have a horse in this race but you obviously do. You are hell bent on the idea that they alone are destroying this country. They are just taking what is given to them, hard to fault them for it. Our citizens did the same thing leading up to the 2008 crash, but we blame the banks not the people right?
While it may not be the average people of america's fault for mexico, it sure as heck is the USA's fault for what is going on and why it wont change. The USA won't allow it to change.

en.wikipedia.org...

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

That big statue in NY would disagree that we owe then nothing btw, or is that just one of the american foundations that gets ignored nowadays?

Maybe they should take a boat to New York and enter through Ellis island.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

While i detest what my government does, i have to admit that I willingly continue to pay taxes to fund them doing what I detest. I have consented to their behavior with my silence.

I believe we owe them. We pissed on their rug, and owe them a new one.

a reply to: thesaneone

Cause it is still just that simple huh?
Last time I checked it takes a few for steps and dollars, can't forget the almighty dollar, to get citizenship.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

We do not owe them anything but there is a humanitarian crisis that should be resolved by 'both sides'. No one is owed anything.

Besides, Who is the second wealthiest man in the world? A mexican. Yeah, I know it sounds like the opening to a joke but it is true. Carlos Slim Helu. Worth about 70 billion.

So how about a few billion to help his own out?

a reply to: matafuchs

So, we armed the worst cartel they had. We gave them free pass to conduct business (including murder) without legal action. We have even sent US troops to guard crops. All this in support of a product that we have used to imprisoned 3million Americans.

So who, exactly, should be on the hook for the crimes our government has committed?

Perhaps this is why the entire world has such a poor opinion of America. American's aren't willing to own the mistakes that we have allowed to happen in our name. We are just too used to screwing up other peoples country, then walking away with a "who, me?" attitude.

So who is responsible for that piss soaked carpet in Mexico's house? And who's job is it to keep an eye on our government so that they don't do this sort of stuff?

originally posted by: Fylgje
a reply to: Sremmos80

I'm not racist against Mexicans. I love Mexican culture and whatnot. I have a problem with illegal invaders who think that they'll do as they please, and who think that, I, an American, owe them something. No American owes them a damn thing. The CIA is not by or for the American people. It's a perverted secret society who drains tax payer funds for their causes. It's not Americas fault that they can't get things going like we did. They want to steal our pie! Not just a slice, the whole pie. Not going to happen.

Your vote sustains them. This is a country by the people, for the people, and of the people. Whether you like the CIA or not, fact is we (you, me, and our countrymen) own the mistakes the CIA makes. They operate under our collective authority, funded by the people we elect to represent us.

Whether you like it or not, you own their mistakes. Along with the rest of us. If we don't like it, then we should likely put a stop to it. Or be prepared to have more and more refugees streaming across the border.

Which fight is going to be easier to win? I know...that is a tough question. That I don't have a real answer for.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
I disagree with the notion that we "owe them" anything. If they want a better place they need to work on their side of the border to make the life they wish to have, not come here to take advantage of the things our citizens have produced---or----they can come here the legal way----learn the language and become US citizens.
Our small community is home to several Mexican families who have immigrated here and become citizens. It began when the men were young and came on the guest worker program to work in the tobacco fields. They wanted to become citizens and have done so---the legal way---filing out endless forms, waiting for the US government to reply and recognize their desire for citizenship.
They are also the most vocal about the illegals that come knocking on their door wanting to work "under the table."

No cell phone video of the fighting or even troops preparing for a fight?
The OP's original premise is pure fiction.

So who is responsible for that piss soaked carpet in Mexico's house? And who's job is it to keep an eye on our government so that they don't do this sort of stuff?

I would have to say Mexico for 'allowing' it to happen. In 2007 we started to try to help clean it up. Where are those billions we are giving them?

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After Mexican President Pena Nieto was elected in 2012, he reportedly implemented a “pause” on the Merida initiative, suspending U.S.-funded training programs, cooperative working groups, and other joint initiatives.But a spokeswoman for the Mexican Consulate in Washington,said not only has Merida not been suspended, it is working as intended

He stopped training but they still allow the arming and it winds up in the hands of the criminals...

(double post)

originally posted by: Fylgje
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

We don't owe nobody nothing.....except for China. Calling illegal invaders "refugees" is very troubling. We fought for what we got. They have a country and need to fight for theirs. Why should we give them ours???


I'd like to see many militias at the border. I'd like to see many militias in D.C. and every state capitol. Militias are the only hope for civilians. Time for communities to come together and this is the way.

Well to be fair we did take a pretty big chunk of our country from them at gun point.

a reply to: matafuchs

2007....that is right in the sweet spot of the "peak" support we were giving the bloodthirsty Sinaloa Cartel (from a link I provided in my first post):

www.forbes.com... cartel/

The allegation that guns were part of a deal between the U.S. and the Sinaloa traffickers has been suggested before. The Blaze reported on this back in August of 2012—

“Zambada-Niebla claims that under a “divide and conquer” strategy, the U.S. helped finance and arm the Sinaloa Cartel through Operation Fast and Furious in exchange for information that allowed the DEA, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and other federal agencies to take down rival drug cartels. The Sinaloa Cartel was allegedly permitted to traffic massive amounts of drugs across the U.S. border from 2004 to 2009 — during both Fast and Furious and Bush-era gunrunning operations — as long as the intel kept coming.”

If true–and the well researched El Universal report certainly gives credence to The Blaze’s earlier reporting—it may be that Operation Fast and Furious was not about a strategy to release guns into Mexico so they could be tracked to drug traffickers, but rather all about using the weapons—as part of the deal with the Sinaloa cartel—to kill soldiers of drug traffickers we wanted off the streets and out of business.

and

The Mexican investigation follows decades of explosive revelations and accusations, many documented by The New American, suggesting that Washington, D.C., plays a crucial role in facilitating the international drug trade. In fact, more than a few officials, drug lords, and analysts have even said that the CIA and other secretive U.S. and foreign agencies actually run the global trade in narcotics, laundering the profits, and more. The DEA was even investigated by Congress last year for helping to launder drug money, while the ATF was exposed supplying U.S. weapons to Mexican cartels. ICE has reportedly been allowing cartel hit men into the United States to murder. So far, none of the high-ranking officials responsible for the lawlessness have truly been held accountable.

See the link to follow some other links to backup on the above quote:

www.thenewamerican.com...

Your tax dollars at work terrorizing the average Mexican citizen.

I am curious....how would anyone propose that the average Mexican citizen make their country a better place? They are a disarmed people, with the only guns being in the hands of the military and the cartel (the latter of which are using guns that We The People provided to them).

I am curious what you would do in their situation.