The IRS Had a Contract With an Email Backup Company

a reply to: kruphix

You called all the very real scandals of this administration "fake scandals" .

I have no time nor energy, to attempt to educate you, nor debate an Obama-bot.

Enjoy your posting...I have real work to do in trying to dig deeper into all these, as you call them, "fake scandals", and hope people get some control back from this out of control government.

Des

a reply to: stutteringp0et

As a political bullsnip specialist.

Doesn't matter.

Because they intentionally destroyed that data.

a reply to: Destinyone

I just think it is wrong of you to try to organize or participate in a smear campaign against a company that did nothing wrong.

I swear when I read the terms and conditions of this site when joining that it specifically forbade people trying to do organize a group to go storm someone else's webpage.

Especially since Sonasoft did nothing wrong, they did exactly what the IRS asked them to do and you and others are attempting to drag their name through the dirt.

I'll let you try to defend your actions against Sonasoft...what exactly did they do wrong to deserve you and others going and leaving nasty comments on their facebook page???

a reply to: Destinyone

scan·dal
/ˈskandl/
noun
noun: scandal; plural noun: scandals
an action or event regarded as morally or legally wrong and causing general public outrage.

Yours and my interpretation of what is or isn't scandalous obviously differ greatly.

I haven't witnessed a single scandal beyond the NSA leaks by Snowden. Everything else is just politics because the Democrat won in 2008.

As a computer tech myself. After listening to this my first response was BS. A RAID 5 can lose 2 hard disks and still recover. It is extremely rare for two drives to go out at the same time. They're saying that 6 or more drives all died at the same time, that just so happens to hold the data (evidence) the authorities want to recover. Six drives do not die all at once unless you want them to die. Now if 6 drives did go bad, it would more than likely happen over a course of a week or a month. This is irrelevant as the drive that failed would have immediately been hot swapped for a new one and the data would of been rebuilt.

Now this is just an example for a RAID 5. They probably would have a larger RAID. The more disks in the array the more redundancy you have. With billions in their budget, a larger disc array would be likely. Someone destroyed the entire raid array to get rid of any evidence on purpose. Don't you see? It's not just one drive but ALL the drives. The question is who did it? So now we know that more people are involved. No administrator of a network would do this, unless they was sold on a large lump of money or threatened. If they are willing to threaten people and destroy evidence what else are they willing to do?

It's clear that the integrity of the IRS has been compromised. It's controlled by criminals. It probably heads right up to the head kingpin Obama. That's who they are protecting. Obama is such a nice guy he wouldn't deceive and lie would he? Being sarcastic here. Nixon history repeating itself.

a reply to: kruphix

Sonasoft did exactly what their contract said to do, back up six months worth of emails. Do you have evidence contrary to that?

Oh please show where that is the case.

6 months only?

a reply to: neo96

Agreed

a reply to: sean

If you would have read anything about this topic at all, you would know they aren't talking about a server crashing...they are talking about someone local hard drive crashing.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: kruphix

Sonasoft did exactly what their contract said to do, back up six months worth of emails. Do you have evidence contrary to that?

Oh please show where that is the case.

6 months only?

It has been reported by many sources that they were contracted to only back up 6 months worth.

You can find it in any of these articles.

www.businessweek.com...
www.usatoday.com...
www.foxnews.com...
www.washingtonpost.com...


Even Fox News is reporting that they were only contracted to keep back ups for 6 months. So sorry...but go complain about something else.

a reply to: kruphix So one drive destroyed on the local machine as well as 6 others. Six disks on local machine? I doubt it. Again, irrelevant it all goes through a exchange server that is backed up by a RAID. Of course the local machine would also be destroyed and that's exactly what they did. Destroyed evidence locally and on the main array. Oh they knew what they was doing alright.

2 Million Bikes DC political group shared the Sonasoft info...and Alan West...

2 Million Bikers to DC
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www.facebook.com...

IRS has contract with archiving company since 2005...Certainly THEY have those emails!

Also American Thinker.

www.americanthinker.com...

It's going viral folks...

Des

originally posted by: sean
a reply to: kruphix So one drive destroyed on the local machine as well as 6 others. Six disks on local machine? I doubt it. Again, irrelevant it all goes through a exchange server that is backed up by a RAID. Of course the local machine would also be destroyed and that's exactly what they did. Destroyed evidence locally and on the main array. Oh they knew what they was doing alright.

Go read some on the topic.

Their email back up gets stored for 6 months then it gets overwritten with new backups. IRS employees have limited storage space on the server, around 2000 emails (some reports say 6000 emails), when they fill that up they have to archive old messages on their local drive...which the backup does not touch.

Sooooooo....old messages on the hard drive, not getting backed up because they are older than 6 months, hard drive crashes...good by emails.

It's really not hard to understand...especially from someone who claims they are in IT.

a reply to: kruphix



Somebody is lying threw there teeth.

S.M.A.R.T stands for Self Monitoring Analysis and Reporting Technology.

its in every machine.

Unless L. Lerners system was attacked by a virus. The system would not have booted too Desktop.

originally posted by: kruphix

It's really not hard to understand...especially from someone who claims they are in IT.

Except the part that they are paying good money for only six months worth of documentation (under your alleged scenario) when the law insists they must hold those records indefinitely... You're suggesting that the IRS is systematically breaking the Federal Records Act by destroying ALL records every six months? Is this somehow less scandalous to you?

Ok here is a heads up for Ryan and Company,,
for instance if i was the FBI in that area, i would go see the IT guy who was called to L Learners Desk, to verifiy that the HD had indeed crashed,,cause every IT guy knows that, ,,"Hit any KEY" is actually,,any key.
And close WINDOWS ,does not mean, get up and close your window blinds,,,, right.

i kid u not.

Sign here first please,,,, thank-u.

originally posted by: nugget1
All it boils down to is mass corruption that they're not even going to bother trying to hide.
"Oops; lost the emails; destroyed the hard drives. Don't buy that story? Tough. Not even going to try for a better story."
I get the feeling that those in power WANT us to know how corrupt they are, are more importantly that there is not a dang thing the people can do about it.

It really isn't funny, but it reminds me of years ago when nobody around understood why I cackled each time a local company's add came on the radio...

They sold fire safes for your disk and tape backups. The add made a point of their replacement guarantee should you lose information in a fire.

For sure, I have a quirky sense of humor but why on G*d's green earth would you want a replacement fire safe if the last one contained crispy critters when you brushed away all the ashes....?

a reply to: CornShucker

i am sorry i am unable to argue your swiss like LOGIC.
lol

a reply to: BobAthome

LOL.

I give up...seriously...so many people who seem to know everything.

The IRS said her hard drive crashed...not me. The IRS said they sent the hard drive to be recycled....not me.

Go take it up with them...just don't make up fantasy facts.

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: Destinyone

You do what you want, that is fine. I just think it is in bad taste to try to recruit people to go flood a company's facebook page when you really have no clue what is going on.

Like I said, the information about Sonasoft is at least one week old if not more...you haven't come upon the holy grail that you think you have that is going to crack this manufactured scandal open.

You can spend you time as you wish, if that includes buying into these fake scandals so you have something to complain about...be my guest. But when people point out that the information you are going on is blatantly false...at least have the integrity to give up that route.

Sonasoft did exactly what their contract said to do, back up six months worth of emails. Do you have evidence contrary to that? Or do you just not care and are so caught up in the witchhunt that you are willing to go on their facebook page and try to smear their name with false information???

I am going to start filing my taxes only when they prove I am to receive a check and discard any that may prove that I owe. Wait six months, then PRESTO! Walking on easy street!

Washington Post

Emails considered an "official record" of the IRS couldn't be deleted and, in fact, needed to also have a hard copy filed. Those emails that constitute an official record are ones that are loosely defined under IRS policy as ones that were "created or received in the transaction of agency business," "appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government's function or activities," or "valuable because of the information they contain". The letter sent to the senators suggests that it was up to the user to determine what emails met those standards. It's not clear if Lerner had any hard copies of important emails.

Oh wait, the dog....


Isn't it lovely when an agency accused of corruption can conduct its own internal investigation? Or how about a loosely defined record keeping policy to keep everything in order. Grossly incompetent and unsurprisingly convenient.

originally posted by: _Del_

originally posted by: kruphix

It's really not hard to understand...especially from someone who claims they are in IT.

Except the part that they are paying good money for only six months worth of documentation (under your alleged scenario) when the law insists they must hold those records indefinitely... You're suggesting that the IRS is systematically breaking the Federal Records Act by destroying ALL records every six months? Is this somehow less scandalous to you?

I really don't think you understand.

The backup system takes a snapshot of the email system. It doesn't mean that they don't back up anything longer than 6 months, it means that they only keep a snapshot of the system for 6 months.

It all depends on what the employee decides to archive on the local disk. If there is an employee at the IRS that doesn't get much email...they very well may have emails that are older than 6 months on the email server and in the backup system.

Seriously...people who have no clue about IT should really stop commenting on this. This is not yahoo mail or gmail...this is something entirely different.