Securing the Texas/Mexico border begins

originally posted by: pheonix358

originally posted by: lambchop
Reply to Happy1

just do what Australia does, send them off shore for processing! Make processing take up to seven years. Make the detention center as inhumane as legally possible and in a place that they don't want to live (like papua new guinea)....
This works a treat!

Yes it does work.

Under Howard, he did this and guess what? They stopped coming! The boats stopped almost cold. So no more people were sent to detention centres. If the system works and stops them coming then job done.

If Texas closes the border, the illegals will still come, just that they will come through another state.

The Most Powerful Country In The Whole Wide World, and you can't secure a single border.

It would not take much to make it a PITA to cross. Forget the processing! They come, round them up, send them back, all in the same day. 3rd time crossing, send the to jail for 5 years, make them work, then send them back.

At the moment the whole system just is as silly as. The rest of the world is laughing at you.

Your Pres is a shmook and a stupid one at that. Should have been a ballet dancer, prima donna style.

P

They dont want to secure the border bottom line cheap labor. If they wanted to could do it tomorrow we have the forces and the means just notthe will.

a reply to: pheonix358
I have no desire to offend anyone in Australia. I love Australia.
If I wanted to, however, the story/stories I could tell would paint an entirely different picture than what you've presented. (psssst - We're all the same)
So - I will not tell it/them...
Good luck with your ego.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: stutteringp0et

There is an easy way to secure the border -

"Come left 5 degrees and fire for effect".

You are speaking to an artillery man here BTW..........the actual wording would be this exact sentence.

"FIRE MISSION!!!!!!!!!! infantry in the open, range 5460 quadrant 239er deflection 2346, charge 5 green bag fuze PD, special instructions: AT MY COMMAND......STAND BY.......FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!..........................time of flight...........Sierra splash over (observer) sierra splash out!........(observer) adjust left 50 fire for effect.......working in the FDC for about 5 seconds to plot the grid, and check it against the computer and the safety fan, the safety officer gives the thumbs up, the crew chief gives the nod, the RTO picks up the mic. ADJUST LEFT 50 FIRE FOR EFFECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM.............(observer) target destroyed END OF MISSION!!!!"

I bet just a few rounds of ICM a few hundred meters in front of them would solve the problem forever.

Nobody wants to walk into that crap.

Not for a job, not to save their own mother, it is that bad ass to see.

We do this for about a month on every single group we see coming, they will stop coming I promise.

I wonder if the Cartels are doing this swamp the border with kids campaign down there?
Perhaps they get rid of a certain amount of heat whist ICE is doing the paperwork on the kids.....
just sayin....

originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: stutteringp0et

That's excellent news, glad to see he's doing this. Maybe he should mobilize the National Guard while he's at it. I believe that's within his power as well.

he'd have to issue a state of emergency of just cause.. which can be overturned by the feds at any time.

Id say its a state of emergency hell osama bin laden could of crossed the border and no one would be of the wiser.

Not up to us and i dont see the dream act loving admin to go with it..

a reply to: oblvion

And are we bombing the US ground or are we bombing the Mexican side?
Either way you got some more logistics to figure out there chief. Brute force and violence is not the way to solve this problem.
Our government allows this to happen, let's start there before we start killing the people that are doing the same that your family most likely did a couple generations back. But that small part gets forgotten it seems

originally posted by: pheonix358

originally posted by: lambchop
Reply to Happy1

just do what Australia does, send them off shore for processing! Make processing take up to seven years. Make the detention center as inhumane as legally possible and in a place that they don't want to live (like papua new guinea)....
This works a treat!

Yes it does work.

Under Howard, he did this and guess what? They stopped coming! The boats stopped almost cold. So no more people were sent to detention centres. If the system works and stops them coming then job done.

If Texas closes the border, the illegals will still come, just that they will come through another state.

The Most Powerful Country In The Whole Wide World, and you can't secure a single border.

It would not take much to make it a PITA to cross. Forget the processing! They come, round them up, send them back, all in the same day. 3rd time crossing, send the to jail for 5 years, make them work, then send them back.

At the moment the whole system just is as silly as. The rest of the world is laughing at you.

Your Pres is a shmook and a stupid one at that. Should have been a ballet dancer, prima donna style.

P

While I am not one to praise this pres, I have stood up for him many times......I cant find any fault in your summation, he is a worthless toad, that rules by fiat( wait sense when did America recognize or allow royalty to impose rules on us?) like a king.

I find this eniter situation impossibly unbelievable. I can secure the border with 10,000 men, all the way from The Great State of Texas, to california, in less than 1 month with no government interference with nothing but civies that will happily volunteer their time to do so.

It would cost nothing to the American tax payer, and would require nothing but drones and the same border security we have now working anyways.

We deputize average folks willing to volunteer their time, we train them, we put them on the border at the waters edge/or fence edge depending on location.

We let the drones find them coming in, we send resources to that area, while bringing in extra reserves up an down stream to stop the BS way they send 500 to this spot, to overwhelm them while 200 sneak by 100 east and 100 west just a few miles from the main body of immigrants.

The main body has nothing, they are just people, they are the distraction, for the drugs etc at the flanks to make it through.


Border patrol does its thing, we do ours.

We would operate independent of them, so as to keep the insiders( lets be honest here they have guys on the inside) from knowing the plans for the 10k militia doing most of the work.

Humans are easy to track, they are dumb and loud and slow. We have many avid border hounds who are also avid hunters.

Ever hunt wild bore? Humans are easy in comparison, even if they are armed.

Any true woodsman or avid hunter would be able to easily track and sack these guys. We dont lack the ability, we lack the national will to make it work.

TOO many in power want them to come, and encourage it, all the while punishing our border patrol for doing their jobs right, because they want and need them here.

Obama has already instituted "cloward-piven", it is not long before our system is overwhelmed.

We can make this happen now, or deal with 1000 times worse later.

LOL, WOW, really???!!!!

It wasnt "a bit of a challenge" it was impossible, you damned aussies.............you guys got the balls for sure. If you werent so damned humble you would be Americans, well not Americans, but vain cocky and oversure of yourselves anyway.

You know funny thing here, I know Isrealis I dont like, I know English I dont like, I know French I dont like....etc...

I have not once had a single interaction with an Aussie that I didnt treasure, your people are truly golden.

You are just like us, without all the self promotion and overbearing attitude that turns most off to us.


Best wishes,

OBLVION

a reply to: oblvion

Sounds good. Get all the A10s back, fly the border. One second burst in front of the group. Lol

The Apache can fire a warning missile or some cannon.

Hell, you have so many awesome killing machines, just put on a show!

ETA Kill the drug cartels even if its friendly fire ... with your Government who knows.

P

a reply to: oblvion

And those 10k people are going to volunteer their time for free? Their beans, bullets and band aids will all be taken care of by who? And funded by who?
Who will supply the training? Who will fund the training?
I don't see your plan not costing the tax payers any thing unless you have the koch brothers backing your plan.
And I think you GREATLY underestimate the sheer size of border.
Who is going to fund the drones and who is going to fly them?
Sounds like you will need at least 5 years just to get this all set up. But yet you can secure the border in 1 month??
I guess you are the human whisper and will be able to shape up all these dumb and loud humans to be trackers lol.
Cause they don't have spotters on the other side of the border looking at every single thing you are doing, and have their infrastructure already WELL set up and will be able to counter every move you make with much more ease that you possibly imagine. You are talking a billion dollar industry, but of course you can stop that in a month.

You even say that the people are the distraction for the drugs coming in but yet you are sending 700 to them?
How does that makes sense....

Sounds like you just need to go into biz going to the border patrol stations and whipping them into shape, sounds like you are the greatest human tracker to ever grace us with their presence

So long as it isn't turned into a race war I am in full support and I know it's very easy for all of you to agree.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: oblvion

And those 10k people are going to volunteer their time for free? Their beans, bullets and band aids will all be taken care of by who? And funded by who?
Who will supply the training? Who will fund the training?
I don't see your plan not costing the tax payers any thing unless you have the koch brothers backing your plan.
And I think you GREATLY underestimate the sheer size of border.
Who is going to fund the drones and who is going to fly them?
Sounds like you will need at least 5 years just to get this all set up. But yet you can secure the border in 1 month??
I guess you are the human whisper and will be able to shape up all these dumb and loud humans to be trackers lol.
Cause they don't have spotters on the other side of the border looking at every single thing you are doing, and have their infrastructure already WELL set up and will be able to counter every move you make with much more ease that you possibly imagine. You are talking a billion dollar industry, but of course you can stop that in a month.

You even say that the people are the distraction for the drugs coming in but yet you are sending 700 to them?
How does that makes sense....

Sounds like you just need to go into biz going to the border patrol stations and whipping them into shape, sounds like you are the greatest human tracker to ever grace us with their presence

LOL, I am no "great human tracker" but thanks for overstating my abilities!!!

There are already more than 10k Americans volunteering on the border, they just dont have any actual policing powers, that is why I said deputize them, so they do have these powers.

These people are not, for the most criminals, I bear them no ill will, hell honestly, if I were in any of the land mass south of Texas I would do the same thing honestly, but I would try to do it the right way many times before breaking international and the law of my host country and the laws of my prospective new host country.

It really isnt that hard to secure a border, every single other nation on earth does it every single day 365 days a year, we dont because those in power demand it stays open because though they have $38,000,000 they still cant stomache the idea of paying a guy $500 to mow his grass instead of $150 for an illegal.

This has nothing to do with "the little guy" who I am, and all those already volunteering their time on the border.

This has to do with the already super rich demanding the government let them in, because they arent rich enough yet, despite having millions and billions of dollars, still wanting to make more easier and cheaper off the illegals.

Tell me, what would Iran do if this was happening to them?\

Yes that is right, they would kill in cold blood as many as it took to turn them around and make those inside already leave.

How about Russia? Ya same thing.


Actually name 100 countries and 9 out of 10 would kill without a second thought as many as it took to make them go home.

This is unprecedented in recorded world history, never once has a country allowed this to happen, not once, not ever, not in all of recorded human history.

The only close example I can think of is when the Europeans invaded this land, and it was not even on this scale.

We( whites from Europe) sent millions over a hundred years, they are sending millions in 5.

I really do have pitty for them in their home countries, but it is not my problem to resolve and or fix, it is theirs.

If I had my way we would just shoot them as soon as they crossed the wall, in less than a week they would stop coming. I mean this is considered an invasion by international law, and is thus subject to military action.


I hope for a better deal, one in which we stop them before they get here and deter all further invasions of the Country of America.

I don't know what's more sickening ...parents encouraging their children to cross illegallly. Or the lunatics on this side who are trying to come up with the most sadistic way to intimidate them

originally posted by: oblvion

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: oblvion

And those 10k people are going to volunteer their time for free? Their beans, bullets and band aids will all be taken care of by who? And funded by who?
Who will supply the training? Who will fund the training?
I don't see your plan not costing the tax payers any thing unless you have the koch brothers backing your plan.
And I think you GREATLY underestimate the sheer size of border.
Who is going to fund the drones and who is going to fly them?
Sounds like you will need at least 5 years just to get this all set up. But yet you can secure the border in 1 month??
I guess you are the human whisper and will be able to shape up all these dumb and loud humans to be trackers lol.
Cause they don't have spotters on the other side of the border looking at every single thing you are doing, and have their infrastructure already WELL set up and will be able to counter every move you make with much more ease that you possibly imagine. You are talking a billion dollar industry, but of course you can stop that in a month.

You even say that the people are the distraction for the drugs coming in but yet you are sending 700 to them?
How does that makes sense....

Sounds like you just need to go into biz going to the border patrol stations and whipping them into shape, sounds like you are the greatest human tracker to ever grace us with their presence

LOL, I am no "great human tracker" but thanks for overstating my abilities!!!

There are already more than 10k Americans volunteering on the border, they just dont have any actual policing powers, that is why I said deputize them, so they do have these powers.

These people are not, for the most criminals, I bear them no ill will, hell honestly, if I were in any of the land mass south of Texas I would do the same thing honestly, but I would try to do it the right way many times before breaking international and the law of my host country and the laws of my prospective new host country.

It really isnt that hard to secure a border, every single other nation on earth does it every single day 365 days a year, we dont because those in power demand it stays open because though they have $38,000,000 they still cant stomache the idea of paying a guy $500 to mow his grass instead of $150 for an illegal.

This has nothing to do with "the little guy" who I am, and all those already volunteering their time on the border.

This has to do with the already super rich demanding the government let them in, because they arent rich enough yet, despite having millions and billions of dollars, still wanting to make more easier and cheaper off the illegals.

Tell me, what would Iran do if this was happening to them?\

Yes that is right, they would kill in cold blood as many as it took to turn them around and make those inside already leave.

How about Russia? Ya same thing.


Actually name 100 countries and 9 out of 10 would kill without a second thought as many as it took to make them go home.

This is unprecedented in recorded world history, never once has a country allowed this to happen, not once, not ever, not in all of recorded human history.

The only close example I can think of is when the Europeans invaded this land, and it was not even on this scale.

We( whites from Europe) sent millions over a hundred years, they are sending millions in 5.

I really do have pitty for them in their home countries, but it is not my problem to resolve and or fix, it is theirs.

If I had my way we would just shoot them as soon as they crossed the wall, in less than a week they would stop coming. I mean this is considered an invasion by international law, and is thus subject to military action.


I hope for a better deal, one in which we stop them before they get here and deter all further invasions of the Country of America.

So you would have no problem shooting dead a whole family, that was unarmed simply for daring to cross into your side of the playground?

You truly are a psychopath

Look up international law before you type.

Shooting unarmed civilians would be considered a major human rights violation.

And yes in case you forgot these people are still humans

We should just create a neutral zone and just mine it and setup a few bases. We are being invaded, are we not too fight back?

we are being what we call in the gaming community ZERGED. We need to stop this fast or Game Over. I know this is not a game but if we are going to survive becoming a 3rd world country we need to start taking drastic measures.

originally posted by: muse7

originally posted by: oblvion

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: oblvion

And those 10k people are going to volunteer their time for free? Their beans, bullets and band aids will all be taken care of by who? And funded by who?
Who will supply the training? Who will fund the training?
I don't see your plan not costing the tax payers any thing unless you have the koch brothers backing your plan.
And I think you GREATLY underestimate the sheer size of border.
Who is going to fund the drones and who is going to fly them?
Sounds like you will need at least 5 years just to get this all set up. But yet you can secure the border in 1 month??
I guess you are the human whisper and will be able to shape up all these dumb and loud humans to be trackers lol.
Cause they don't have spotters on the other side of the border looking at every single thing you are doing, and have their infrastructure already WELL set up and will be able to counter every move you make with much more ease that you possibly imagine. You are talking a billion dollar industry, but of course you can stop that in a month.

You even say that the people are the distraction for the drugs coming in but yet you are sending 700 to them?
How does that makes sense....

Sounds like you just need to go into biz going to the border patrol stations and whipping them into shape, sounds like you are the greatest human tracker to ever grace us with their presence

LOL, I am no "great human tracker" but thanks for overstating my abilities!!!

There are already more than 10k Americans volunteering on the border, they just dont have any actual policing powers, that is why I said deputize them, so they do have these powers.

These people are not, for the most criminals, I bear them no ill will, hell honestly, if I were in any of the land mass south of Texas I would do the same thing honestly, but I would try to do it the right way many times before breaking international and the law of my host country and the laws of my prospective new host country.

It really isnt that hard to secure a border, every single other nation on earth does it every single day 365 days a year, we dont because those in power demand it stays open because though they have $38,000,000 they still cant stomache the idea of paying a guy $500 to mow his grass instead of $150 for an illegal.

This has nothing to do with "the little guy" who I am, and all those already volunteering their time on the border.

This has to do with the already super rich demanding the government let them in, because they arent rich enough yet, despite having millions and billions of dollars, still wanting to make more easier and cheaper off the illegals.

Tell me, what would Iran do if this was happening to them?\

Yes that is right, they would kill in cold blood as many as it took to turn them around and make those inside already leave.

How about Russia? Ya same thing.


Actually name 100 countries and 9 out of 10 would kill without a second thought as many as it took to make them go home.

This is unprecedented in recorded world history, never once has a country allowed this to happen, not once, not ever, not in all of recorded human history.

The only close example I can think of is when the Europeans invaded this land, and it was not even on this scale.

We( whites from Europe) sent millions over a hundred years, they are sending millions in 5.

I really do have pitty for them in their home countries, but it is not my problem to resolve and or fix, it is theirs.

If I had my way we would just shoot them as soon as they crossed the wall, in less than a week they would stop coming. I mean this is considered an invasion by international law, and is thus subject to military action.


I hope for a better deal, one in which we stop them before they get here and deter all further invasions of the Country of America.

So you would have no problem shooting dead a whole family, that was unarmed simply for daring to cross into your side of the playground?

You truly are a psychopath

Look up international law before you type.

Shooting unarmed civilians would be considered a major human rights violation.


Since you obviously forgot, this is an overwhelming wave of millions upon millions with many , not most, I can not honestly most, but many being career criminals and mafia members.

You are God damned right I will shoot them dead on site, the next family will see this and turn around, problem solved.

They are not Americans, they are from other countries. I will not lose a second of sleep for killing them to turn them back.

I am sorry their country sucks ass, it is not my families responsibility to care or help.

It is theirs to fix their own BS they let escalate to this point.

Yes it is a foreign invasion, yes we should kill them on site crossing the border.

Problem solved post haste.

We would kill less than a thousand and they would never cross again!!!!!!!!

At which point they would have to take personal responsibility and fix their Effed up BS government

Talk about the American government being bad, every south American country on the map makes ours look like a saint.

I say kill them on site, in 1 week problem solved they will never come back again.

Good by, dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

Many problems solved over night. Or we keep going letting it linger and tens of thousands have to die slow and bad of starvation.

In this case I choose 2 in the chest, quick clean, no more probs ever.

# if we follow your BS mentality, let all of south America come here, this is what you want right?

If not then they must be stopped.

How do we stop them?

Make America worse off than them so they dont want to come? Or the only honest way, make them too worried to try it?

I am not talking about for the next 2 months, or even the next 20 years, I am talking long term permanent solution once and for all fixed forever.

We do not need to bring us down to their POS countries level ( lets be honest here it is their fault for allowing this problem to get this far not ours.)

I didnt seem to remember seeing Brittain in the colonial days evading mass immigrants or spain or france.

In fact there has not ever in recorded human history been a single country that did allow this to happen.

They are breaking the law, they go home in peace or die at our gates, seems reasonable to me here.

I will personally shoot the first 1000 to deter them, and tonight I will drink a beer and go to sleep without remorse at all.

These stupid MOFOS allowing this to overtake their countries driving them in the first is not my problem, I will though end the problem if they desire it to be so.

I will kill every single one, man woman child etc... until only legal immigrants are here, and only legals are coming,......

Problem solved post haste!!!!!


Like it or not, this is going to be the course that will follow this.

I am only realist, I dont make doctrine, I am not the forcing civies to police the border, the feds are ,mandated and

Failing in their duties, because it is politically expedient.

# that, they deserve to die as well then, they lied under oath.

The good news is that 2/3 of our border with Mexico belongs to the state of Texas. It won't stop the flow of illegals entirely but at least someone is doing something - which is far more credit than I can give to our Federal government.

Using children by encouraging them to come to the US is about as low a political tactic possible. Create a humanitarian crisis with kids then try to shame the public for not wanting to help. Small wonder people have their doubts about Sandy Hook with a government willing to stoop this low.

originally posted by: Skorpy
We should just create a neutral zone and just mine it and setup a few bases. We are being invaded, are we not too fight back?

we are being what we call in the gaming community ZERGED. We need to stop this fast or Game Over. I know this is not a game but if we are going to survive becoming a 3rd world country we need to start taking drastic measures.

I couldnt agree more, it is the legendary zirgling rush, they have come en mass and only force will stop this.

The very first time we shoot every single one in a day that crosses will be the last day any cross.

Yes I feel bad for the hundred that die, but I will not feel an ounce of pitty because they deserve it.

Is it my fault your country is a POS? NO, thats right it is yours, for not doing what my folks did and standing up.

You can die fighting to free your country or die trying to invade mine, it is your choice honestly.

I wont shed a single tear either way.

Having followed the border issue for some time the following can be stated:

This has been a problem for years, and it started with the federal government. In the 1940’s the US federal government, invited the migrant workers to come to the USA to work in the fields and on farms, as the men of the country were going off to war. The issue here is that they were not invited to leave, and they have been coming ever since. The solution, is going to be hard, cruel and even seem inhumane, with those who will view it as being harsh, and wrong, there will be protests and complaints on both the part of the people and those countries whose citizens would be affected. And it would have to be a multiprong attack for such.

The first thing that has to happen, and unfortunately, it will require the President to do it, would be to state that as much as the USA appreciates all of the hard work of those in the past and currently, we are no longer accepting or will be accepting of illegal immigrants. Please do not come to the USA illegally, and please go through legal channels to come to the country. If you desire to work here, there will be some work visa’s issued, but only a limited number. Should you get caught after a certain date, it will be 20 years hard labor in a labor camp. There will be no amnesty, no easy path to citizenship.

The second thing to occur at the same time as the first would be that the congress would need to pass a series of laws with penalties for illegally crossing the border far stiffer, and hurt. It means prison, not a slap on the wrist, but a hit on the head with a two by four. It means that if an illegal immigrant comes here, and is caught the first time he is sent back, with the warning, do it again and it is a min of 5 to 10 years hard labor, no parole and he still will be sent back. That the next time will be far worse.

The third thing and this will be the most controversial, I would say do the following: The first would be to set up a demonstration, as they border is watched, put out a few landmines and traps, let them see what they are walking into. A few active mines that are exploded for their benefit, along with a few inert ones will have a psychological effect. Make sure they see that there no real way to cross. Where there is water, have wire, but electrify it where they will get shocked, and then set up a clear point of view where they can be seen easily. That way if they try in the middle of the night, good chance they pop a trip wire, flares go off, and the lights come on, spot lighting them. No longer penalize the border patrol for shooting a person. Make it where it is as stiff of a deterrence as possible.

And finally, go after the countries that this happens. If it is say a person, for example Mexico, send the Mexican government a large bill for the person, stating that they will need to pay it. Start the diplomatic and political leanings against the governments to stop this from happening. At the same time, we need to make a pathway for citizenship for those who want to be here. And one final note, and this is going to get me flamed, but the idea of the child being born in the USA and the parents stay, need to stop. That means if the child is born, the mother hugs the child, sees the child, and goes back, with the child going to foster care. The child is a US citizen, and the mother is deported. Let her bear the burden and cost to get the child back.

Another option would be to annex about half of Mexico. and then break it up into around 10 states turn the USA into a 60 states. That would create enormous business opportunities. It would save our economy.

Why can't we do this? Russia did and got away with it.