Amen; True witness to the creation.

I believe that the creation of the known universe was observed; because they say that in quantum physics that without an observer there would only be an infinite number of random possibilities.

although i also believe that the infinite number of random possibilities exist also, as in alternative timelines.

I dont believe in God as confined to this universe, My god is a multiversal god.
to me it makes sense that one can create a timeline or universe out of an already existing universe, i also believe that this god would have duplicates of himself in each timeline or universe, as the quantum physicists say that we too exist in more than one place in more than one time in more than one state of mind.

The creationists and atheists can bicker and argue among themselves all they want about who created the universe or what or how... but i would ask them, that if your god created the universe, then what created the multiverse and/or alternative timelines?

They say every quantum event branches out a new timeline that can coexist with our own, and that all the possibilities are endless whether it be good, or evil, whether it be scientific, or spiritual.

I've read on this site that scientists believe that consciousness goes to another universes at death; whell i believe this is what happens when we dream, all too often i feel like i am neo from the matrix where i am living a double life in my dreams.

Anyways the word Amen means True witness to the creation, and what if religion was right that there was an observer to the creation of the universe. Many of you would say "of course, it was god." But really what if all that was needed was simply an observer from an alternative timeline/ universe? They would argue that time travel, going back into the past, would create a new timeline.

What are your thoughts on god, the multiverse, time-travel, and quantum mechanics? what would they have to do with the fabled creation.

Anyways the word Amen means True witness to the creation

It means "so be it". Do your research, thanks and bye.

I must say, that is a phenomenal realization. If it works for you go with it.

originally posted by: Belcastro
I believe that the creation of the known universe was observed; because they say that in quantum physics that without an observer there would only be an infinite number of random possibilities.

Let's nip this in the bud: the observer effect has nothing to do witch a consciousness observer. It's about the act of measuring (observing, with apparatus) changes the outcome. An example of this is checking your temperature with a thermometer. The act of measuring changes the outcome due to the temperature difference between your mouth and the thermometer. On the macro scale, these differences are usually insignificant but on the quantum scale they have a noticeable effect.

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

Anyways the word Amen means True witness to the creation

It means "so be it". Do your research, thanks and bye.

ah u are right i must be thinking of something else.

originally posted by: Belcastro

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

Anyways the word Amen means True witness to the creation

It means "so be it". Do your research, thanks and bye.

ah u are right i must be thinking of something else.

I hope that answer was fesecious(sp? can't b bothered).

a reply to: Belcastro

That was the most astute opening statement I have seen and bravo is all I can say, Yes by the concept of Schrodinger's cat that is correct and so the nature of causality was from the point pre determined.
I alway saw it as this though, if the universe is infinite all possibilitys not only must be possible but are indeed infinitely probable and therefore we are - beyond that logic breaks down but I do believe in god.

a reply to: AfterInfinity

Some scholars and theologians think that Amen is possibly derived from the Egyptian Sun god Amun Ra.

There are many aspects of Christianity that were adopted from previously existing religions.

a reply to: MagicWand67

This is the only Amen in my prayers:

originally posted by: MagicWand67
a reply to: AfterInfinity

Some scholars and theologians think that Amen is possibly derived from the Egyptian Sun god Amun Ra.

There are many aspects of Christianity that were adopted from previously existing religions.

Preaching to the choir, man.

originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: Belcastro
I believe that the creation of the known universe was observed; because they say that in quantum physics that without an observer there would only be an infinite number of random possibilities.

Let's nip this in the bud: the observer effect has nothing to do witch a consciousness observer. It's about the act of measuring (observing, with apparatus) changes the outcome. An example of this is checking your temperature with a thermometer. The act of measuring changes the outcome due to the temperature difference between your mouth and the thermometer. On the macro scale, these differences are usually insignificant but on the quantum scale they have a noticeable effect.

Let's nip this in the bud...you are on the path of confusion.

a reply to: GetHyped

Last night a DJ saved my life. LOL


Here's a link that talks about the Amen / Amun connection

Source

From old Egyptian texts we can see that people regarded the Sun as the emblem of the Creator. They called the Sun Ra, and all other gods and goddesses were forms of the Creator. One of these gods was Amen; a secret, hidden and mysterious god named variously Amen, Amon, Amun, Ammon and Amounra. For the first eleven dynasties (c. 3000-1987 B.C.) Amen was just a minor god, but by the 17th dynasty (c. 1500 B.C.) he had been elevated to be the national god of southern Egypt. This position gave Amen the attributes and characteristics of the most ancient gods, and his name became Amen-Ra, that is, a supreme form of God the Creator. By the 18th Dynasty (1539-1295 B.C.) a college had been established to study Amen-Ra and as a focal point for worship.

The Jews settled in Egypt for around 400 years4 from 1847 B.C. and during this sojourn there is no doubt they would have been fully exposed to the worship of Amen-Ra. By the time of their exodus from Egypt in 1447 B.C., Amen would certainly be in their language even if it was not their god. It would be a word that had associations with reverence and majesty. This is not difficult to understand. People still talk about Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and Buddha, and often use those names completely out of context as expletives. Amen was seen as a powerful god and the name continued, out of context, as an exclamation or salutation; a classic example of language evolution. From the Jews, the word was adopted by Christians, Muslims and others.

So Amen was originally the name of a Pagan god, who was considered a form of God the Creator. But he was certainly not considered God, or Christ. Interestingly, most Pagans today tend not to use the word, preferring instead to say "So mote it be", an old Anglo-Saxon term. Perhaps they see the word Amen in the Bible and the Tanakh and don't want to be associated with Christianity or the like. Indeed, in the Bible3 we see Jesus Christ referred to as "The Amen". Christ is God's Amen to all that he has spoken. Thereby the name used for an old Egyptian god is replaced by the same name used for Christ.

Like many other words used in religion, (or art, mathematics, medicine, etc) it's easy to believe that our ancestors saw no point in creating new vocabulary when existing and familar words could be recycled. Yet some people are vehemently protective of things and believe Amen is a Biblical word which is also found in the Tanakh and in Islam, and happens to sound like the name of a Pagan god. Others believe it is an Islamic word that can also be found in the Bible and Tanakh. And so on. The whole issue is hotly debated and any Pagan link denied by many. Who knows how many accidental or deliberate mistranslations have crept in over the centuries.

a reply to: InTheLight

Sadly not. Quantum mechanics is cool enough without having to make stuff up about it.

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: InTheLight

Sadly not. Quantum mechanics is cool enough without having to make stuff up about it.

The best it yet to come. Keep an open mind.

As for the time travel aspect, Dr. George Rodonaia claims that he explored the Roman Empire, Babylon, and the times of Noah during his 3 day long NDE...

"Everything in this experience merged together, so it is difficult for me to put an exact sequence to events. Time as I had known it came to a halt; past, present, and future were somehow fused together for me in the timeless unity of life ... I could be anywhere instantly, really there ... I felt it necessary to learn about the Bible and philosophy. You want, you receive.

Think and it comes to you. So I participated, I went back and lived in the minds of Jesus and his disciples. I heard their conversations, experienced eating, passing wine, smells, tastes - yet I had no body. I was pure consciousness. If I didn't understand what was happening, an explanation would come. But no teacher spoke. I explored the Roman Empire, Babylon, the times of Noah and Abraham. Any era you can name, I went there."

Time and the Near-Death Experience

"Dr. Rodonaia was a vocal Soviet dissident killed by the KGB, pronounced dead, taken to a freezer vault in the morgue for three days and returned to life during his own autopsy. Dr. Rodonaia was a psychiatric researcher who worked for the KGB and later became a dissident. He was a scientist trained in historical materialism and did not believe in God." Of all the cases I have investigated in my 26 years of work in the field, his is the most dramatic, the longest, the most evidential, and the most soul-stirring. LINK

a reply to: Murgatroid

And you believe him?

a reply to: AfterInfinity

*chuckles
didn't you make a solemn vow NOT to enter a religious topic for 3 months?

Revelation 3:14
"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this...

*snip*

- See more at: bible.knowing-jesus.com...

Well, this is what happened... and this is how it was observed... beginning of our time...

(watch from ~ 4-5 minutes - when they lend to observe start of time and universe...



Here is first part of that episode, if someone likes to watch them both...



Loved that show...

originally posted by: UNIT76
a reply to: AfterInfinity

*chuckles
didn't you make a solemn vow NOT to enter a religious topic for 3 months?

Revelation 3:14
"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this...

*snip*

- See more at: bible.knowing-jesus.com...

I also agreed to deny ignorance when I joined the forum. And a mistranslation is a mistranslation. I didn't see anyone else rushing to correct it.

But as you wish. I will now leave this thread.