Japanese stealth fighter?

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: jimmyx

And now we have an ally well on the way to being able to defend itself with less US aid required, as well as being able to survive longer if attacked until our forces cab get there.

This is so much more than your snide comment makes it out to be.

Exactly.China's already throwing their weight around.Im glad the Japanese are developing these weapons systems.Its good for their economy and would contribute to our shared defense of our allies in the region.

a reply to: TDawg61

For potential customers like South Korea and Taiwan, lack of range and size probably isn't as big a deal. It'd be perfect for Taiwan since we won't sell them the -35. Might be a good bet for the low of a high-low mix for Japan and S.Korea.

a reply to: _Del_

The only thing that might hurt them is loiter time, but they're going to be fighting so close to home that it's not going to be a big deal for them.

a reply to: _Del_

It would be perfect for Taiwan, not much range needed there when it take about an hour to fly from on tip to the other sub-sonically. I personally hope Japan develops and gets it to market (if they intend to) as soon as possible before China get too ambitious.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Due to the treaty at the end of the second war japan has been severely limited when it comes to weapons development .. otherwise would be much further ahead of the game ..

Also its been occupied by the u.s since the second war ended .. thats not exactly allies .. they didnt even occupy germany that long after the war and allowed the german military to fully rebuild .

If push came to shove even with the limitations forced on us by the u.s japan can defend itself ..

Interesting seeing the new atd-x model probably will be used by jdf along with an export model being sold ..

Interesting thread s&f

No offense meant with my comments .. as highly respect you and your knowledge of aircraft .. just at times like most bit touchy when it comes to my homeland .. have a good day and look forward to seeing more of your posts on aircraft..

a reply to: Expat888


The US occupation of Japan ended Much earlier than the Allied occupation of Germany. The end of the occupation was signed off in September 1951 and became effective in April 1952.

To say it's your own country, you seem to have a skewed perception if you still consider yourself as "occupied". If you're going by the presence of US military in Japan, well there's been a US military presence, by invitation, in the UK since WW2 as well, and the US has never occupied the UK, in that sense.

Yesterday after I got home from work. it hit me that the Japs have great timing with their new plane.

Not only are there new concerns over the F35 software being problematic, last week a Marine F35B had to make an emergency landing due to a low oil pressure warning. For a while there they had to ground the entire fleet of 35's to inspect valves.

to all you bad guys--- you can forget about it... their putting those planes back in service as quickly as they can.

but you gotta know if your some rich middle eastern oil sheik looking to buy some new fighter jets all those little problems with the 35's are gonna make ya take a closer look at what Japan is offering.

I always found it strange that countries would advertise their advanced tech like this..

Nation secrets and what not.

"oh hey guys. yeah this is our super secret stealth plane..yeah shows up as a large insect on radar...yeah you wont see it till its too late...uh huh..yeah so umm thats what we're working on...just wanted to let you guys know. So if we ever wanted to sneak attack you keep an eye out for it 'wink wink'!!"

The Japanese would be great allies, if the US actually trusted them. But that's the US for you.

a reply to: TiM3LoRd

Most of these weapons are for deterrence. You tell your adversaries to maintain peace but hope that if war comes yours are the best.

a reply to: TiM3LoRd

There is a LOT the public never sees on these aircraft, and the numbers thrown out for radar signature and others are usually off by a percentage.

New images of the new ATD-X ShinShin tech demonstrator jet here:

theaviationist.com...

Japan dont have the abilities, the technical background, to create a fighter let alone a 5th gen fighter..

their best bet would be to buy F35 , if it ever flies..

Just stupid sabre rattling against the chinese.. a few nukes from china to japanese cities will destroy the world's suppy of manga/animes forever..

even our friend the south-korean will goes starcraft on japan if japan try to rearm

a reply to: Expat888


Germany re-armed quickly due to the 'cold war' and to take the strain of the cost of occupation by the victors.

originally posted by: milomilo
Japan dont have the abilities, the technical background, to create a fighter let alone a 5th gen fighter..

their best bet would be to buy F35 , if it ever flies..

Just stupid sabre rattling against the chinese.. a few nukes from china to japanese cities will destroy the world's suppy of manga/animes forever..

even our friend the south-korean will goes starcraft on japan if japan try to rearm

Lol japan dont have the abiliys?

There creativity and abiltly to work a problem make us in the west look like retarded monkeys!

Anyway USA would likely share some of its data with them to give a head start.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: milomilo
Japan dont have the abilities, the technical background, to create a fighter let alone a 5th gen fighter..

their best bet would be to buy F35 , if it ever flies..

Just stupid sabre rattling against the chinese.. a few nukes from china to japanese cities will destroy the world's suppy of manga/animes forever..

even our friend the south-korean will goes starcraft on japan if japan try to rearm

Lol japan dont have the abiliys?

There creativity and abiltly to work a problem make us in the west look like retarded monkeys!

Anyway USA would likely share some of its data with them to give a head start.

please tell me, what kind of modern weapon system japanese made without 'help' or 'donation' form uncle sam ?

name one please..

a reply to: milomilo
They haven't as they have never had a reason to go down that route.


My point was now they DO they will likely make a good show of it.

Plus never said there would do it without US help if you had BOTHERED TO ACTUALLY READ I said the US will likely share some data.

It doesnt look any more stealthy than an F-18 or Typhoon.

Can you imagine sending stealth fighters up against stealth bombers....pointless.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: milomilo
They haven't as they have never had a reason to go down that route.


My point was now they DO they will likely make a good show of it.

Plus never said there would do it without US help if you had BOTHERED TO ACTUALLY READ I said the US will likely share some data.

i dont believe US will share data on stealth.. this sounds like publicity moves..

japan dont have military industries and you cant become a 5th gen aircraft maker just because you used to build Zero back then..

anyone know whats the major japanese heavy industries nowadays ? no military industries, no experienced workers, no skilled technicians..

a reply to: milomilo

Really? So they haven't been license building F-15s, building their own F-2s, or maritime patrol craft? I guess those are just elaborate fakes.