STS-75 Tether Encounter -- Unpublished crew photography now available

a reply to: FireMoon

Sour Grapes from a ufo fan!!!

originally posted by: JamesTB

originally posted by: fatdeeman

originally posted by: Uggielicious

So when are we going to see photos showing what is seen in the video(s) and which has generated a lot of threads? A photo shows the tether at a distance. A photo shows an "orb" which has a circle drawn around it to show its non-circular shape but in the meantime the center IS round. If they exist and you can access them, please show photos of the clusters of moving "orbs". Since they are seen on the video surely they can be seen on stills. Where are they?

If you can't show still photos of the clusters then this thread has not delivered what seems to be promised.

I'm not sure if you're being serious?

You do realise there is another possibility ie: The orbs didn't exist and were just out of focus particles. This thread promised the truth not what you wanted to hear.

The orbs were not out of focus particles that's just plain wrong. It's easy to dismiss this case when taken in isolation but it's not the only footage of this phenomena Martyn Stubbs (the original source of the tether footage) has published hundreds of these types of clips which show the same thing.

Post a link then to all this evidence!

originally posted by: Uggielicious
a reply to: JimOberg


Second, the video was shot with a camera whose lens was not focused on near for the tether was approx. 19 miles away and the lens had to be set to telephoto. Anything close to the shuttle and in the camera's view would have been a blur, a formless cotton ball-like image without definition. The discs have definition.

Many members here are keen photographers even pro or semi pro the shape of these out of focus discs depend on the optical properties of the camera/lens used to take the image.

Here is an example HERE

That has a defined edge doesn't it!

The aperture blade of that lens is not closing down properly hence the weird shape the more blades a lens has the more circular the disc looks.

Another example HERE

That is from a mirror lens the doughnut shape is due to the lens construction so you can always tell when a picture is taken with a mirror lens.

The spec of the camera & lens used was found and lots of posts made on here explaining depth of field and the effects it produces due to focus distance and optics used.

The reason nothing shows up in these new pics may be due to the fact the original footage was shot in infra-red.
These new pics look like they aren't. Just because an image doesn't show up under a particular light spectrum, doesn't mean it is not there.

An object, supposedly close to the camera, passes clearly behind the tether. How?

Why are these "particles" (water or otherwise) in the video pulsing with a regular rhythm?

I am aware that the lens can cause the notched effect, but it can't be used to explain away the whole video.

originally posted by: Uggielicious

originally posted by: JimOberg

The photo shows a straight-as-a-pin cable. The video shows it curling. How did the cable straighten without an opposing pull?

Every post of yours is a cry for help, "I have no clue!" Once you recognize and acknowledge this, you are ready for a great voyage, at the end of which will appear another useful human being -- and we need more! Please look at my "99 FAQs" on my home page.

Differential gravity tends to pull tethers straight and vertical, but the force diminishes at each end so other effects -- memory of the material, or air drag -- can show up there. We've calculated -- and seen with our own eyeballs -- this effect for a few decades, but it is genuinely 'new' and unearthly and classic human perceptual/conceptual processes are inadequate to accurately anticipate it. Learning is need. Teaching is available.

originally posted by: AtroxLux
The reason nothing shows up in these new pics may be due to the fact the original footage was shot in infra-red.

Why would you think that?

originally posted by: wmd_2008

originally posted by: JamesTB

originally posted by: fatdeeman

originally posted by: Uggielicious

So when are we going to see photos showing what is seen in the video(s) and which has generated a lot of threads? A photo shows the tether at a distance. A photo shows an "orb" which has a circle drawn around it to show its non-circular shape but in the meantime the center IS round. If they exist and you can access them, please show photos of the clusters of moving "orbs". Since they are seen on the video surely they can be seen on stills. Where are they?

If you can't show still photos of the clusters then this thread has not delivered what seems to be promised.

I'm not sure if you're being serious?

You do realise there is another possibility ie: The orbs didn't exist and were just out of focus particles. This thread promised the truth not what you wanted to hear.

The orbs were not out of focus particles that's just plain wrong. It's easy to dismiss this case when taken in isolation but it's not the only footage of this phenomena Martyn Stubbs (the original source of the tether footage) has published hundreds of these types of clips which show the same thing.

Post a link then to all this evidence!

Sure, there you go -

www.youtube.com...

Now tell me all those are dust/particles/ice .....

originally posted by: JamesTB



Now tell me all those are dust/particles/ice .....

That's just childish. Who's ever said that? Are you defiantly determined to misinterpret and misrepresent contrary opinions?

www.jamesoberg.com...

34 Q: What have these ‘space UFOs’ turned out to be?
A: Some of them turn out to be the same things ‘ground UFOs’ have been, such as misperceived normal human flight activity, natural atmospheric phenomena [when looking downward towards Earth], window reflections, defects, or contamination, or on occasion, bright celestial objects such as the Moon and – yes! – Venus. On occasion, during night passes, astronauts on space walks in the dark have seen what turned out to be bright lights on Earth’s surface passing beneath them. Some are other orbiting space vehicles, but only rarely. Most are ‘stuff’ coming off the vehicle the observation is being made from, that flies along with the vehicle for a period of time. See the locations of these vents here: www.jamesoberg.com...

Watch the light come into frame top and slightly left of center @3.10 it then travels down towards and past the Tether. I highly doubt that the light is close to the camera -



www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: JamesTB



Now tell me all those are dust/particles/ice .....

That's just childish. Who's ever said that? Are you defiantly determined to misinterpret and misrepresent contrary opinions?

www.jamesoberg.com...

34 Q: What have these ‘space UFOs’ turned out to be?
A: Some of them turn out to be the same things ‘ground UFOs’ have been, such as misperceived normal human flight activity, natural atmospheric phenomena [when looking downward towards Earth], window reflections, defects, or contamination, or on occasion, bright celestial objects such as the Moon and – yes! – Venus. On occasion, during night passes, astronauts on space walks in the dark have seen what turned out to be bright lights on Earth’s surface passing beneath them. Some are other orbiting space vehicles, but only rarely. Most are ‘stuff’ coming off the vehicle the observation is being made from, that flies along with the vehicle for a period of time. See the locations of these vents here: www.jamesoberg.com...

You said it in as many words here Jim -

www.rense.com...

Take a look at this footage recorded by Martyn Stubbs. Start the video @1.20 and it is plain to see that some of the 'UFOs' are in fact passing behind the Tether. These objects are not close to the camera.



www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: JamesTB
You said it in as many words here Jim -

I said this there: "But if recent studies prove anything, it is that the less one knows about space flight, the more likely one is to swallow the idea of space shuttles spotting UFOs." Do you want that on a T-shirt?

I don't see me saying ALL the videos show only ice and dust. Sometimes they are pieces of the shuttle, or loose tools, or blanket clips... The list is long. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

originally posted by: JamesTB
Take a look at this footage recorded by Martyn Stubbs. Start the video @1.20 and it is plain to see that some of the 'UFOs' are in fact passing behind the Tether. These objects are not close to the camera.

www.youtube.com...

I suggest you watch this video



CONFIRMED optical principles at work !!!!

This was a serious question, please answer it.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by AtroxLux

The reason nothing shows up in these new pics may be due to the fact the original footage was shot in infra-red.


Why would you think that?

originally posted by: Uggielicious Objects closer to the camera that would be out of focus would not show "sharp" edges.

Absolutely 1000% dead wrong and ten seconds googling "out of focus highlights" or "highlight bokeh" would have yeilded hundreds of examples of out of focus objects with sharp edges.

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originally posted by: Uggielicious


Anything close to the shuttle and in the camera's view would have been a blur, a formless cotton ball-like image without definition. The discs have definition.

Do you always just make up your own version of reality to reinforce your arguments?

Few lenses render out of focus highlights in the way you mention and certainly not video lenses where resolution, light transmission and a myriad of other factors are way above "make out of focus highlights look like cotton balls" on the list of priorities. To get smooth out of focus highlights you have to under correct a lens for spherical aberrations and this kind of "form before function" approach is not one often employed in the construction of mainstream lenses, even photographic ones.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: Uggielicious
..... Since the tether was approx. 19 miles away it doesn't make sense for a camera to be focused any closer. Distance results in sharpness.'......

What makes you think it was 19 miles away? Just guessing?

Reply to ArMaP & Oberg:
science.ksc.nasa.gov...
STS-75 mission scientist hope to deploy the tether to a distance of over 12 miles.

en.wikipedia.org...
STS-75 mission scientist hoped to deploy the tether to a distance of 20.7 kilometers (12.9 mi). Over 19 kilometers...

It wasn't guessing, it was simply copying and pasting the 19 kilometers and erring when I said 19 miles.

originally posted by: fatdeeman

originally posted by: Uggielicious


Anything close to the shuttle and in the camera's view would have been a blur, a formless cotton ball-like image without definition. The discs have definition.

Do you always just make up your own version of reality to reinforce your arguments?

Few lenses render out of focus highlights in the way you mention and certainly not video lenses where resolution, light transmission and a myriad of other factors are way above "make out of focus highlights look like cotton balls" on the list of priorities. To get smooth out of focus highlights you have to under correct a lens for spherical aberrations and this kind of "form before function" approach is not one often employed in the construction of mainstream lenses, even photographic ones.

You sound like you know your stuff. But I've seen enough videos from the shuttle where the camera is interested in the distant white "orbs" and as they pan around and include part of the cargo bay, the edges of the cargo bay are always out of focus. In one of the STS-80 videos you see the camera zoom in on 3 "orbs" approaching each other above earth and then the camera widens again showing part of the cargo bay which then comes into focus.

I don't know what you know but if I focus on distance and something enters the frame closer than the distant focus that object is going to be unsharp / blurry.

a reply to: Uggielicious

When the tether broke the satellite was at a distance of 19 km from the shuttle, but the end that broke was just some metres from the shuttle, as it broke still inside the structure used to deploy the satellite and tether.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: JamesTB



Now tell me all those are dust/particles/ice .....

That's just childish. Who's ever said that? Are you defiantly determined to misinterpret and misrepresent contrary opinions?

www.jamesoberg.com...

34 Q: What have these ‘space UFOs’ turned out to be?
A: Some of them turn out to be the same things ‘ground UFOs’ have been, such as misperceived normal human flight activity, natural atmospheric phenomena [when looking downward towards Earth], window reflections, defects, or contamination, or on occasion, bright celestial objects such as the Moon and – yes! – Venus. On occasion, during night passes, astronauts on space walks in the dark have seen what turned out to be bright lights on Earth’s surface passing beneath them. Some are other orbiting space vehicles, but only rarely. Most are ‘stuff’ coming off the vehicle the observation is being made from, that flies along with the vehicle for a period of time. See the locations of these vents here: www.jamesoberg.com...

Oberg: "A: Some of them..."
I'm glad your answer started with the word "some" for not all of what is seen in the multitude of NASA shuttle videos fit your neat explanations.

You didn't include whatever it is that the cameras zoom in for a closer look. Are the astronauts really interested in close-to-the-shutter ice particles and if they are why don't they use wide-angle as opposed to zoom and showing the shuttle's cargo bay go out of focus as the camera zooms out beyond to record "ice particles" or "debris"? You zoom in on something that is at a distance.

What about those "orbs" that are tracked for the longest time as the object hauls above the cloud cover over earth?

The objects and activities that you mention have no interest as no one discusses them.

I've seen videos of water dumps and no resulting videos of a water dump is mistaken for "UFOs".