TEXAS to Immediately Deploy State-Resources to the Border.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000 As much as i dislike our pres. and his policies it seems that he is choosing to not ignore an ongoing problem. Like i say i can think of better ways to deal with it but it is and has been happening. sadly my solution would be to make mexico a part of the us and i guess that is what will eventually happen.

I swear. This is why i say we need a DMZ between the US and mexico. OH look the little kids are starving! guess what alot are doing the same right here in this country.

Oh but they are all alone and no one to care for them! Yeah see number one again.

Look i am all for helping children in need but NOT WHEN THE PARENTS SEND THEM OFF TO BECOME ANCHORS.

Our welfare systems already strained to the limit we cant sustain them.

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: deadeyedick

Gotta stop them children from reaching their parents that are currently working for us at all cost.

Floods of unaccompanied children are being sent here by their parents who are still in Mexico. your statement that the parents are all already here is wrong .... and even if they were then we should send the children AND the parents back. They are illegal and we can't afford them. Period.

My statement is not wrong maybe onesided like yours. It is a mix or people but mainly Mexican despite what o'rielly says.

So, you stood at the border 24/7, asking the nationality of each person illegally entering the United states.

Sorry, you are wrong. It's also CNN and all the MSM saying it's people flooding through Mexico, and being escorted by the Mexican drug cartels to our border. The drug cartels have set up extremely lucrative coyote network on moving them to the border. There is also speculation, the money to pay for all the tv commercials telling people to send their kids to America, is coming from the cartels.

Des

a reply to: Destinyone

Criminal enterprises do run basically all the places these kids come from and legalizing things here in the us takes away from their revenue and ability to control. At the end of the day we are all human and we need to help eachother. If you just bus these kids back across then mexico could deny them as theirs and just send them away. As far as them taking our jobs or draining our welfelr it is just made up numbers to keep an illusion going and we already sent most of our jobs oversees. So by having them here at least we are trying and not turning our backs on the kids like their parents and country.

a reply to: chiefsmom

Most of these people are from the rest of south America. Supposedly there have been news reports suggesting that the US border is open to minors.

I am currently in Mexico and can confirm that no such reports are being broadcast here.

I wonder if the idiots behind these news reports in south America realize that the number of child abductions will increase 1000% thanks to this.

This is INSANE!

EDIT TO ADD:

Apparently Mexico has had a surge of illegal border crossings into Mexico as well. All people on their way to the US.

Here is an article from a spanish language newspaper talking about a 40% increase in deportations of Guatemalans from the US in 90 days.
www.prensalibre.com...

Here is another spanish language article saying illegal immigration into Mexico is up by 208% and is then tripled in the US.

www.antena3.com...

Here is a spanish language New York times article telling of the recent drop in illegal Immigration of Mexicans to the US.
www.nytimes.com...

They attribute the decrease to overall improvements in Mexico making staying in Mexico more appealing to Mexicans.

I can tell you that for one, they have free health care here now. There are plenty of social programs where a monthly allowance is given to unemployed, poor, or elderly people. Agriculture is more subsidized now. Even if you never worked a day in your life, you can apply for assistance and receive everything from food, to rent money, to spending money. You can have a small and humble but descent home built for free in some states. There are so many new programs I cant list them all. Welfare and social aid is now a thing in Mexico and even though these programs are in their infancy, the country is starting to get its second wind.

Much of this is because of the new energy reforms the current administration is brokering with the world at large that have attracted HUGE investments from abroad for a piece of the pie. Also corruption is slowly but surely being eliminated from local municipalities and there are surpluses in many local economies as a result.

South America on the other hand....is almost going in the opposite direction.

I wanted mention this:
I just saw a report here on Mexican news last night of a group of kids caught in Mexico in Tijuana from el salvador, colombia, peru and other countries. There are so many that the Mexican Government decided to just build them a juvenile center to house them. This is starting to cost Mexico alot of money too since deporting them back isnt really an option. How do you legally send a minor back across the border when no adult is there to pick him up?

I dont even know what the solution is once they are in the country. In the end, there will have to be hard decisions made and a cold reality for these kids.

This cant go on forever.

a reply to: deadeyedick

Our President did a great deal to CAUSE this problem and this man doesn't get a free pass on everything, as if he's just a casual bystander to a car accident as we go through his 6th year as President. I did a little looking on this, given how many seem to be grasping at straws for points amid all the MSM noise.

There are many things Congress is good for..one of those is how they bicker. They bicker just like ATS, really, they just have FAR superior sourcing and standards for meeting it. It's all, 100%, public record to. (Well..maybe closer to 90% after Classified stuff)

So, I located something entered into the Senate record just this week, on this very matter. It's helps put things in perspective to why Obama gets absolutely NO pass on this one. Not even a little one.

- Congressional Record Volume 160, Number 89 (Tuesday, June 10, 2014)

To give the Senate an idea of what has happened and the timeline here, as recently as 2011 there were 6,560 unaccompanied minors detained at the border between the United States and Mexico. Then in 2012 the President announced he was taking administrative action to defer deportation of a certain class of minors, most of whom had come here as young children but had since grown up, sometimes called the Dreamers. But this action in 2012 sent a message, apparently, to other people who were anxious to come to the United States. So you see in 2013, there were 24,000 unaccompanied minors. It is projected, although the number is not known, that it will rise to 60,000, or the Senator from Arizona has said he has heard as high as 90,000 potentially of these unaccompanied minors.

They go on and at real length, to specify precisely what actions and at what points this issue was encouraged to grow.

Mr. CORNYN. I would say to the Senator from Arizona, he knows a lot about this topic, living in Arizona. But I think it is a combination of factors. It is, 1, the message that was sent by the unilateral deferred action the President ordered in 2012 saying that even children who come here meeting certain criteria would be low priorities for deportation. So the message was: If you can come to America, and you get here, then you are basically not going to be sent back home.

Now this is all worth reading and again, Congressmen and Senators generally get their sourcing and factual basis right for these things (They have entire staffs to do it for them), as it isn't a press conference. This is literally the daily reports of what is entered into the permanent Congressional record for history's sake. There is one other section of this worth quoting out of so much comprehensive analysis of the situation.

Mr. CORNYN. I agree with the Senator from Arizona. I think this is not a coincidence. There is, in my view, very much of a cause-and-effect relationship between this poorly thought out unilateral action by the President, without much knowledge of or thought given to the consequences.

As the Senator from Arizona knows, because he has certainly fought the fight to fix our broken immigration laws, and I have been involved in many of those myself, this is a direct result of the President basically trying to go it alone and basically trying to send a message, a political message, but one that gives very little thought to the very real-world human consequences of his political actions.

160 Cong. Rec. S3521 - IMMIGRATION POLICIES
(^^ This is the heading you want on the page which loads. It's about 1/3rd of the way down the senate agenda and links for the text are on the right)

The overall system has been in trouble and functionally worthless far longer than Obama has been the commander and chief, setting policy for Border agents and enforcement..or lack of it. However, his actions did pour gasoline on a bonfire and as I've noted before, the 1986 Amnesty showed this was to be expected. It's WHY so many demanded border security before dealing with all those here now.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000 No doubt he has done much more than other presidents and i do not support him much. The american people are the ones to blame by continually keeping up the status qou. I just try to imagine myself as one of those children. We made this country seem great and that is admired by much of the world and they still believe in the american dream even if we do not. We elected this guy and let him gather the largest security force to surround himself with and we will be lucky if he lets go of all the power he has gathered under our noses. We are having serious talks about national service for all on popular news shows now. No one realizes how far along the nwo path we are now. With all that said i could not turn away a child.

Has anything changed to increase the number of people trying to cross over to the us, is the war on drugs affecting more people, did the situation of the poor drasticly change, are rumors of the usa closing there border affecting this.

Its baffling for me to understand how people can leave everything and try for a new life, i was blessed of behing born in canada, thats probably why i dont undrstand.

Im on the fence here, the usa cant keep on letting illegals to enter, but i feel for the poor hoping for a better life..

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
If they send the Texas Rangers, I do hope they send all of them.

I believe this is one riot which one ranger just wouldn't quite be enough for. Even those guys.

Without looking up the figures all I can say is back in the early 80s there were only 31 Texas Rangers... I do not even remember what their stated mission goals were/are anymore.

How we allowed ourselves to get into this mess is beyond me.. If they have no relatives or someone to stay with in the states what are they going to do to survive. Live on the streets, resort to a life of crime for a loaf of bread or a stack of tortillas; Obama will take care of them ? Bad situation... But no doubt Obama has a plan.. like in do nothing .

Arizona and Texas have been saying this is an untenable situation for the last several years yet when either state tried to stem the flow the Feds seemed to block them at every turn with threats of withholding funds or even lawsuits..

If this was in reverse and streams of yanks were crossing to live in Mexico you have to wonder how long it would take the Mexican Government to put a stop to it and what their methods would be ? I doubt it would be a free bus ride to a new air condition residence with hot meals and everything...

a reply to: dukeofjive696969


Ok so apparently besides Obama declaring amnesty to south American news agencies, a fungus has destroyed crops in south America. It was a strain of fungus that affected a few coffee producers but spread to many plantations.

The Nogales center is just the beginning, though. The children will be vaccinated there before being sent on to centers in California, Texas and Oklahoma, AP reported.

The immigrants are mainly coming from Central America, which makes it more difficult to deport them than just sending them back to Mexico.

According to the Arizona Star, one reason behind the sudden surge is a coffee fungus that has destroyed coffee crops and wiped out plantation jobs in Central America.

However, Wilder said the true depth of the crisis is a creation of the Obama administration.

“They keep coming. This will not stop. The call has gone out to Central American countries, countries abroad, that if you get here the doors are open,” Wilder said.

KRGV Channel 5, in the border town of McAllen, Texas, reported that migrants from Central American countries like Guatemala are hearing news reports at home that mothers with children are being welcomed in the U.S. with plane and bus tickets to the interior.

And where are the news outlets in Central America getting the idea that the U.S. is open to all comers?

From the White House, says Texas Sen. Ted Cruz.

“It is a direct consequence of the presidents illegal actions,” he said, according to Breitbart. “The parents think, ‘If I send my child [to the U.S.], my child will have amnesty.’ That’s what the president of the U.S. has said. It is the exact opposite of a humane approach to immigration or to securing our borders.”

www.bizpacreview.com...

If the Obama administration hadnt declared amnesty to South America they wouldnt think to come here. The natural disaster has made Obamas bad situation that much worse.

EDIT TO ADD:

Obama's two-year 'amnesty' for illegal immigrant minors sparks TWELVE-FOLD spike in numbers pouring across border
A San Antonio Air Force base, a California Navy base, and a makeshift detention center in Nogales, Arizona have become temporary shelters for children and youths caught crossing the border without their parents. Republicans blame the Obama administration for the problem, citing a 2012 policy that relaxed deportations

-It's 'an administration-made disaster,' says the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee

-President Obama now concedes that it's an 'urgent humanitarian situation' and is setting aside $2 million to pay lawyers for the children

The US government expects as many as 80,000 child immigrants to illegally enter the US this year, a twelve-fold jump in just three years
More than 33,000 have been picked up in Texas since October; the Arizona facility has ordered 2,000 mattresses to handle its overload
'Instead of having an application of the immigration law, we are taking mothers and children and dumping them,' another claimed

-A federal judge castigated the Obama administration in December, saying it was 'completing the criminal mission' of human traffickers

www.dailymail.co.uk... ren-cross-border-landing-secret-government-holding-pens.html

Here is the crucial evidence showing that this was targeted at non mexicans since illegal immigration from Mexican nationals is actually down. IMO the Obama administration saw the drop and responded to it with this....disaster. If there was ever evidence that Obama is acting with a wanton destruction of the US this is it. We have lower illegal immigration...FINALLY... and instead of celebrating it he decides to throw a wrench into the whole victory. He is the greatest enemy to the nation.

Obama should be charged with humanitarian crimes against humanity. His declaration of amnesty is also very much ILLEGAL incase you were wondering.

Illegal immigrants from Central America are surging across the U.S.-Mexico border because they believe they can take advantage of American immigration policy and gain at least a tentative foothold in the country, according to an internal Border Patrol intelligence memo.

The immigrants come seeking “permisos,” which apparently are the “notices to appear,” the legal documents given to non-Mexicans caught at the border, according to the memo, which was viewed by The Washington Times and raised several times Wednesday at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing.

www.washingtontimes.com...

a reply to: 727Sky

If they have no relatives or someone to stay with in the states what are they going to do to survive. Live on the streets, resort to a life of crime for a loaf of bread or a stack of tortillas;

It's literally using our own system and sense of empathy and compassion against us. The parents and relatives sending kids up here like this are betting, correctly, Americans won't allow people under 18 to just be dumped into the street with $5 and the best of wishes. Adults? Without much hesitation. Children?

Well.. As the senate entry says. Those who cannot be matched with relatives somewhere in America will become wards of the state by default.

What ever happened to he laws that was to stop business from using illegals as cheap labor. I guess the lobbyists have that covered.

As I have been saying for a very long time, how can we care for thousands of illegals, when we can't take care of our own?
We have desperately poor people, tent cities, shelters filled to capacity, hungry and homeless and their numbers are growing. How can you place foreigners above an American citizen? How many of our elderly and others have to choose between life saving medicines or foods at times?

Too many people, for too long have been sympathizing with the illegals while ignoring the plight of the poor citizens we have everywhere.

a reply to: roadgravel

All that stuff, the proof of citizenship, background checks, stable employment history, etc. is being used against us getting a job. We who are citizens by birth, unlike some Presidents, are the potential domestic terrorists and the illegals are the preferred class, and future saviors and Presidents of this country. Except, it won't even be an independent nation anymore by then. But that's OK, they'll let the new hombres say the Pledge in Espanola.
/RANT

a reply to: chiefsmom

They are claiming it is due to gang violence (if that is the case it sure took them a number of years to realize how bad it was down there) others claim it is the new Amnesty program.....I personally lean to both but more so on amnesty....

a reply to: deadeyedick

Maybe the border will be a hilltop in Georgia - after the planet X destroys the coastlines ?????

Maybe the central american people aren't quite as un-informed as we americans are -

Besides the point that this is obviously just another way for the obozos to destroy america - and bring in even more crime -

This may be a way for a larger human sacrifice to satan when america falls - what's happening in yellowstone?

People need to look at ALL that is going on - and not just looking at one disaster without taking into account other probable impending disasters......

The area around the world south of the equater can see the "second sun" now.

a reply to: Happy1

Can anyone come up with a plausible reason why the Atlanta, Georgia mayor was at the bilderberg group conference in europe?

originally posted by: Happy1
a reply to: Happy1

Can anyone come up with a plausible reason why the Atlanta, Georgia mayor was at the bilderberg group conference in europe?

What does that have to do with the topic of this thread.

Des

originally posted by: Destinyone

originally posted by: Happy1
a reply to: Happy1

Can anyone come up with a plausible reason why the Atlanta, Georgia mayor was at the bilderberg group conference in europe?

What does that have to do with the topic of this thread.

Des

hahahaha maybe that is where the new border will be!! Come on Des get with the program!! LOL

No, the only thing that's different is. a reply to: dukeofjive696969


They need a Friend and Obama has declared himself their Savior.

Obama Don't Need No Stinking Congress!