NASA scientists reveal 3D model of warp drive ship that can get to Alpha Centuri in 2 weeks 8| *pics

"If they optimize the warp bubble thickness and "oscillate its intensity to reduce the stiffness of space time," they would be able to reduce the amount of fuel to manageable amount"

Kind of how the Egyptians used to wet the sand to minimise the required force when moving the giant sleds?

originally posted by: Jukiodone
The only "real" thing in this thread is the 3D Model.

Space folding and exotic matter that can be used to fold space are in the realms of Warp Drives and Dilithium crystals.

Just from a practical perspective, what happens to time when you fold space?

Never seen this properly answered by NASA.

Seems time is just our perception of the interactions of matter in what ever form it is in. Quantum particles appear to exist outside space and do not experience time. This could indicate that If you removed yourself from the fabric of space like quantum particles are, you and the matter your made of would not experience time.

Question is would the matter your made of and the space ship your in remain cohesive outside the fabric of space or would you just turn into quantum like particles?

Even if you could create a warp in space it does not mean we can exist in it. So you would need a warp bubble in space to enter while maintaining some amount of the fabric of space time around you and your ship when entering such a bubble else you might just dissolve into particles.

The other possible means of fast travel would be to project gravity directly in front of a ship that would pull the ship along while have the gravity field constantly propagated in from of such ship. In this case you would be limited to travling within the fabric of space time and the speed of light.

If you could combine the two a small warp bubble or possibly just a partial bubble while using gravity you might be able to slightly move faster than the speed of light though you would need to control it to such an extent that the warp bubble does not ...dissolve the matter your trying to propel...

originally posted by: Jukiodone
The only "real" thing in this thread is the 3D Model.

Space folding and exotic matter that can be used to fold space are in the realms of Warp Drives and Dilithium crystals.

Just from a practical perspective, what happens to time when you fold space?

Never seen this properly answered by NASA.

Time and space are both folded and unfolded.

Since time is experienced relatively I would hazard a guess that the time relative to the observer or bubble would be unchanged and would pass as normal. As would the time on earth. They would arrive 2 weeks after they left relative to earth time so their destination irregardless of when it began existing would be as observed from earth plus 2 weeks old.

Thats the theory anyway I guess we will just have to build it and find out. It will be amazing either way. Dont you think?

a reply to: SlowNailYep. Good way to look at it.

Looks pretty cool actually.

One hope for reincarnation..to see the day when we do have a interstellar ship that could pop back and forth between stars in a reasonable amount of time.

originally posted by: Pimpintology

originally posted by: Shiloh7

if aliens do exist as most seem to think, then with technololgy like this and assuming they will be aware of it, (obviously they will listen to the NSA or whoever listens to us), they will certainly appear now and make themselves known.

Would you stop on the sidewalk and talk to an ant? I do not think they would.

What if you discovered that those ants have been making space rockets and getting off this planet? Would that not be worthy of closer attention?

originally posted by: SaturnFX
Looks pretty cool actually.

One hope for reincarnation..to see the day when we do have a interstellar ship that could pop back and forth between stars in a reasonable amount of time.

This would be the ONLY reason I ever reincarnate on this planet. Only if we ever become an interstellar species.

Its the only way to get away from some of the nut jobs on this planet. lol

originally posted by: skunkape23
This is maybe a bit off topic. I had an old man, who was a gunner on a Navy vessel stationed in Hawaii during WW2, tell me about receiving orders to fire on a "disc" that was hovering near the ship. He said he could see his stream of fire arcing around the object and then straightening out as it went past. This sounded to me like a description of something warping space around itself. He seemed to be giving an honest account and had nothing to gain by lying.

That is EXACTLY how I would imagine it to work. The space inside the bubble would be different to the space outside.

originally posted by: TiM3LoRd

originally posted by: myselfaswell
a reply to: TiM3LoRd

I'm not trying to burst your warp drive bubble. What I'd like to know is how to circumvent the problem, and catastrophic results, of hitting things at that speed.

The image is, as I'm sure you've seen, a fleck of paint that nearly pierced the windscreen of the space shuttle some years ago.

Kind Regards
Myselfaswell

My understanding of the technology is limited but from what I can gather the ship itself isnt moving through space, the space around the ship is folded so its not inertial movement in the traditional sense of the word. So Space paint shouldnt be a problem. It will simply float past and around the ship.

If this system worked as described, it would create a strong conventional gravitational field point in front of the ship, which would pull everything towards it, including the ship. Any objects would just accelerate towards that point and then be boomeranged out of the way.

originally posted by: TiM3LoRd
Ok so its still in development but the lead scientist working on this project has already started experimenting with tiny warp bubbles

I think you over-stated the case. He hasn't found any warp bubbles yet. He's going to look for them, but even if he finds one, it's obvious from the Q&A session he still has no idea how to make the propulsion system.

This is so cool its freezing. Im just exited about the warp drive experimentation

It's interesting that it's not considered a completely science fiction idea, but I can't say I'm that excited about it since it's so far from reality. What's actually more exciting is the Q-drive tech White talks about since we might actually see that used in our lifetimes if that works out. The analogy he used was that it will push against the vacuum of space the way a submarine propeller pushes against the water. He even goes through some mission profiles like a trip to Mars, with a couple options depending on how strong they can make the thrust. The Q drive may actually work. The warp drive is still pie in the sky stuff.

I always thought that getting to light speed would'nt be as challenging as stopping.

I base this on nothing, just had this feeling that it sounded right. Its not like a car with wind resistance that will just coast to a stop, its space, frictionless, gliding action.

originally posted by: Pimpintology

originally posted by: Shiloh7

if aliens do exist as most seem to think, then with technololgy like this and assuming they will be aware of it, (obviously they will listen to the NSA or whoever listens to us), they will certainly appear now and make themselves known.

Would you stop on the sidewalk and talk to an ant? I do not think they would.

I would definatly do that...
If the ants were traveling by,
in carts pulled by other insects...

originally posted by: Biigs
I always thought that getting to light speed would'nt be as challenging as stopping.

The general idea is, if you want to go to a star 5 light years away at an average of half the speed of light (so it would take 10 years each way), you'd spend the first 5 years accelerating, then spend the next 5 years decelerating. Then you could look around, and do the same thing on the trip back home.

That's if you really want to stop at your destination. In some missions in our solar system I think we didn't worry about slowing the probe down, and just took some pictures as the probe went past the destination.

The pictures would be pretty distorted if the probe was traveling near light speed.

What about the time paradox that once you hit the speed of light and time for you stops, ignoring the mass for a moment, how could you hit the stop button if you cant move?

Once you hit the speed of light you could never stop.

a reply to: Biigs
Not an issue as you can't ever get to the speed of light unless you're a photon, which you're not.

originally posted by: TiM3LoRd

originally posted by: skunkape23
This is maybe a bit off topic. I had an old man, who was a gunner on a Navy vessel stationed in Hawaii during WW2, tell me about receiving orders to fire on a "disc" that was hovering near the ship. He said he could see his stream of fire arcing around the object and then straightening out as it went past. This sounded to me like a description of something warping space around itself. He seemed to be giving an honest account and had nothing to gain by lying.

That is EXACTLY how I would imagine it to work. The space inside the bubble would be different to the space outside.

This is how I have always imagined it.

When we travel in any vehicle, the vehicle moves but we are stationary inside it. Now imagine if we do the same with our vehicle and put it inside a bigger vehicle (or a bubble), that bubble moves but our vehicle is a 'passenger' and stationary within it, and totally unaffected by the speed of travel.

A bit like when we travel on an aeroplane, we can walk about, eat and drink as normal, despite the fact we're travelling at thousands of miles per hour.

I've just read and re-read what I've just written, and I can't think of another way to explain what I mean.

Edit: Hmmm, the 'bubble' wouldn't need fuel to 'propel' or 'thrust' itself through space would it? Am I right in thinking that 'warp drive' attracts the space in front towards it, then repels this same space at its rear?

originally posted by: doobydoll

originally posted by: TiM3LoRd

originally posted by: skunkape23
This is maybe a bit off topic. I had an old man, who was a gunner on a Navy vessel stationed in Hawaii during WW2, tell me about receiving orders to fire on a "disc" that was hovering near the ship. He said he could see his stream of fire arcing around the object and then straightening out as it went past. This sounded to me like a description of something warping space around itself. He seemed to be giving an honest account and had nothing to gain by lying.

That is EXACTLY how I would imagine it to work. The space inside the bubble would be different to the space outside.

lol all good, I totally get it.


This is how I have always imagined it.

When we travel in any vehicle, the vehicle moves but we are stationary inside it. Now imagine if we do the same with our vehicle and put it inside a bigger vehicle (or a bubble), that bubble moves but our vehicle is stationary within it and totally unaffected by the speed of travel.

A bit like when we travel on an aeroplane, we can walk about, eat and drink as normal, despite the fact we're travelling at thousands of miles per hour.

I've just read and re-read what I've just written, and I can't think of another way to explain what I mean.

By the way your avatar reminds me of my dog that passed away last month. She was a english mastiff cross boxer and had the reverse brindle. I even have a picture of her with glasses on and her face looks so much like the dog in your picture...

originally posted by: TiM3LoRd

originally posted by: doobydoll

originally posted by: TiM3LoRd

originally posted by: skunkape23
This is maybe a bit off topic. I had an old man, who was a gunner on a Navy vessel stationed in Hawaii during WW2, tell me about receiving orders to fire on a "disc" that was hovering near the ship. He said he could see his stream of fire arcing around the object and then straightening out as it went past. This sounded to me like a description of something warping space around itself. He seemed to be giving an honest account and had nothing to gain by lying.

That is EXACTLY how I would imagine it to work. The space inside the bubble would be different to the space outside.

lol all good, I totally get it.


This is how I have always imagined it.

When we travel in any vehicle, the vehicle moves but we are stationary inside it. Now imagine if we do the same with our vehicle and put it inside a bigger vehicle (or a bubble), that bubble moves but our vehicle is stationary within it and totally unaffected by the speed of travel.

A bit like when we travel on an aeroplane, we can walk about, eat and drink as normal, despite the fact we're travelling at thousands of miles per hour.

I've just read and re-read what I've just written, and I can't think of another way to explain what I mean.

By the way your avatar reminds me of my dog that passed away last month. She was a english mastiff cross boxer and had the reverse brindle. I even have a picture of her with glasses on and her face looks so much like the dog in your picture...

That's my faithful loyal girl Cassie. She crossed Rainbow Bridge 8 years ago and she took a huge piece of me with her.

I'm so sorry for your loss, I know what you're going through. But don't despair, I know we'll see them again one day, but in a better place. I believe that.

I picture of a model of a space ship is all I see and the conjecture of throwing in some magic dust to get it working. Why does the government fund this stuff?

a reply to: TiM3LoRd

SnF nice share TiM3LoRd 1 likes to see the current modern developments in EA*RTH cosmic transport... Now the electro- plasma field-shield should be designed to absorb cosmic debris STAR dust particles and cycle it for fuel.