The law that Obama broke

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: beezzer

Again, he can't break a law that doesn't apply to him.

And you are really stretching now just fishing for something since your original argument is now flat on it's face.

The President can't break a law that applies to the Secretary of Defense...period.

Obama broke the law. Unless you're saying that Hagel went rogue?

Is that your defense now?

a reply to: kruphix

I don't know if I can say it any more simple. The law applies to the Sec Def, Obama is not the Sec Def, thus Obama can't break that law.

Always wondered why 0bama picked that dullard for SecDef. Cheap and easy patsy, huh?

I almost slapped myself.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: beezzer

Again, he can't break a law that doesn't apply to him.

And you are really stretching now just fishing for something since your original argument is now flat on it's face.

The President can't break a law that applies to the Secretary of Defense...period.

Obama broke the law. Unless you're saying that Hagel went rogue?

Is that your defense now?

It's very simple.

The law specifically names the Secretary of Defense as who it applies to.

Who is the Secretary of Defense?

a reply to: beezzersure Obama gives sec def orders but it's sec def job to do it correctly not Obamas. Now if Obama order sec def to do it specifically without notification to Congress then you might have something else your just crying.

That will teach Obama not to hire incompetent Republicans to do jobs that require competence lol.

a reply to: Xeven

The Unified Chain of Command which Obama is not just a part of, but Chief of as it's leader...doesn't give him a free pass like that. Not even close and especially on military matters of direct and critical national security.

However, lets say for a moment Obama can be held blameless through ignorance as is usually the claim.

Fine..then I'd like to see two things and we don't need to know more for them to happen if THAT is how we claim it went down.

#1. Hagel should be asked for his resignation by the end of business today.

#2. Obama should be defending himself and his future to keep his office for why it wasn't done MUCH SOONER to deal with a rogue civilian Sec-Def.

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: beezzer

Again, he can't break a law that doesn't apply to him.

And you are really stretching now just fishing for something since your original argument is now flat on it's face.

The President can't break a law that applies to the Secretary of Defense...period.

Obama broke the law. Unless you're saying that Hagel went rogue?

Is that your defense now?

It's very simple.

The law specifically names the Secretary of Defense as who it applies to.

Who is the Secretary of Defense?

Charles Manson didn't personally kill anyone either.....

a reply to: Destinyone

I'm not saying we cant do anything about it.
that's when the whole impeachment process is all about.

This whole, a Sitting President 'Not' being Subject to Compulsory Criminal Process was put in place so as not to distract him from his duties.

without that ruling any number of suits or criminal complaints could be made, valid or not...thus disrupting the office President.

Once he stops being President you can sue him all you want. But while he's in office his pretty much untouchable

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: beezzer

Again, he can't break a law that doesn't apply to him.

And you are really stretching now just fishing for something since your original argument is now flat on it's face.

The President can't break a law that applies to the Secretary of Defense...period.

Obama broke the law. Unless you're saying that Hagel went rogue?

Is that your defense now?

It's very simple.

The law specifically names the Secretary of Defense as who it applies to.

Who is the Secretary of Defense?

So you are claiming that Hagel did all of this without informing the White House?

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: beezzer

Again, he can't break a law that doesn't apply to him.

And you are really stretching now just fishing for something since your original argument is now flat on it's face.

The President can't break a law that applies to the Secretary of Defense...period.

Obama broke the law. Unless you're saying that Hagel went rogue?

Is that your defense now?

It's very simple.

The law specifically names the Secretary of Defense as who it applies to.

Who is the Secretary of Defense?

So you are claiming that Hagel did all of this without informing the White House?

His claim is that Obama can not break that law regardless of whether he told Hagel what to do or not. He is claiming that the blame is entirely on Hagel to notify congress and he holds all the blame. The buck doesn't stop at President Obama, it stops at the secretary of Defense, at least in this case.

I'm not saying I agree, just trying to help you understand his position, you two keep repeating the same thing.

Assuming either Obama or Hagel broke the law, what is the penalty prescribed by law? A fine? Jail time? Community service?

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: beezzer

Again, he can't break a law that doesn't apply to him.

And you are really stretching now just fishing for something since your original argument is now flat on it's face.

The President can't break a law that applies to the Secretary of Defense...period.

Obama broke the law. Unless you're saying that Hagel went rogue?

Is that your defense now?

It's very simple.

The law specifically names the Secretary of Defense as who it applies to.

Who is the Secretary of Defense?

So you are claiming that Hagel did all of this without informing the White House?

Why can't you answer the question?

It's a very simple question.


I am not claiming anything other than Obama can't break a law that applies to the Secretary of Defense.


Simple question: Who is the Secretary Of Defense?

a reply to: HardCorps

I understand what you are saying, and why the process is set up the way it is.

But, Obama on his own, for personal reasons, I don't understand. Made the choice to exclude other branches of government in the release of very powerful and influential TERRORISTS back into the position of being able to put all American citizens at high risk of harm. That doesn't even include the peoples those TERRORISTS were attempting genocide on...on their own turf.

To me, this is much more dangerous, than Clinton leaving stains on Monica's dress in the oval office, and what the definition of is, is. That didn't kill anyone.

Des

originally posted by: Xeven
a reply to: beezzersure Obama gives sec def orders but it's sec def job to do it correctly not Obamas. Now if Obama order sec def to do it specifically without notification to Congress then you might have something else your just crying.

That will teach Obama not to hire incompetent Republicans to do jobs that require competence lol.

So Obama doesn't know the law that he signed just 6 months ago?

ignorantia legis neminem excusat

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: beezzer

Again, he can't break a law that doesn't apply to him.

And you are really stretching now just fishing for something since your original argument is now flat on it's face.

The President can't break a law that applies to the Secretary of Defense...period.

Obama broke the law. Unless you're saying that Hagel went rogue?

Is that your defense now?

It's very simple.

The law specifically names the Secretary of Defense as who it applies to.

Who is the Secretary of Defense?

So you are claiming that Hagel did all of this without informing the White House?

Why can't you answer the question?

It's a very simple question.


I am not claiming anything other than Obama can't break a law that applies to the Secretary of Defense.


Simple question: Who is the Secretary Of Defense?

Obama can break the law if he orders someone to violate it.

He also violates the Constitution (as earlier posted)

Look Obama is "breaking" a law.

or take vacation, or have cook, Gardner...

Damn.. who does he think he is.. a president?

Thanks furry one. Don't look so sad, I might cry too. S&F

a reply to: beezzer

And you still won't answer the question.

That's fine, not answering says everything anyway.

Bottom line, Obama can't break THAT law...only Hagel can.

Nothing will happen because Republicans would have to charge a Republican to even get the ball rolling and they aren't going to do that.

You should change your title to "The Law That Hagel Broke".

a reply to: kruphix

Collusion is by definition...breaking the same law. Is your brain so narrow, you can slip it between 2 rocks?


col·lu·sion
[kuh-loo-zhuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
a secret agreement, especially for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him.
2.
Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.


Des

a reply to: kruphix

You should change your title to "The Law That Hagel Broke".

but.. but... if you want popularity on ATS, u need to hate Obama.

a reply to: Destinyone

a reply to: kruphix

Is your brain so narrow, you can slip it between 2 rocks?

Ball [ba-l]

1. Something you go after.


Player [phl-ay-r]

1. Something you don't go after.