Russian jet flies within 100 feet of cockpit with U.S. surveillance aircraft in ‘reckless’ inter

originally posted by: Expat888
Meh.. they did that all the time back in the cold war .. friend of mine has pic of a russian bomber he took and the gunner of the russian plane was waving and holding up a bottle of vodka ..

Heck, back when I was an NFO, we'd drop porn and snacks to the Russian ships we buzzed. Guys out in the field doing their job, it gets boring sometimes so a little fun isn't bad at all.

a reply to: NavyDoc

US pilots used to carry Playboy with them, and they would swap centerfolds with Bear tail gunners.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Yikes on that 7700. Referencing my old post, they went by COBRA 41 & 21 though. No idea on if callsigns change according to theatre though.

Researching transponder codes is how these caught my eye in the first place, saw one squawking in the 5000 range. Which according to my sources was a DOD only code. That kinda got my spidey senses tingling lol.

p.s. anxiously awaiting more (white or grey) info on the Kansas craft.

a reply to: CloudsTasteMetallic

They change on a per flight basis, but are reused fairly often. A 7700 can be anything from a crew member being sick, to an honest to god aircraft emergency. I see quite a few every day.

As for Kansas, don't hold your breath on that one. You'll turn funny colors.

The best boss i ever had was a Maire on a carrier.He told me one time the carrier was being circled
by a Russia bear.The captain ordered all crew one deck.He had them to line up on the deck rail all the way around the ship.
They then turned their back to the bear and dropped pants and under wear .Then bent over in the full moon position.
He swore it to be true and he never lied to about anything so i took it as true.

a reply to: grayghost

I've heard similar stories, so I wouldn't be surprised in the least. It was a different time back then, and they used to mess with each other like that.

and now we have them flying within 50 miles of the California coast?

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With the deployment of US Stealth to Europe it seems things are heating up...

originally posted by: matafuchs
and now we have them flying within 50 miles of the California coast?

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With the deployment of US Stealth to Europe it seems things are heating up...

Well that is a bit unsettling. The article seems to state that it is not unusual for practice runs like this but that getting that close to CA was unusual. Guess I will have to defer to the experts on ATS as to what is and isn't unusual in this circumstance though.

Says they have nuclear cruise missile capabilities.....any way to tell if they were equipped with them on these test runs and just how far could a nuclear cruise missile travel if fired 50 miles from the CA coast?

a reply to: Vasa Croe

They usually are further North, but the fact that they're out there is nothing new honestly.

They may be carrying missile simulators, but the chances of them actually carrying live missiles is incredibly remote.

what US did to the shotdown of their reconnaisance planes by the russians in the cold war ? any retaliation to the russians ? if they kept it under wraps back then , what if the russian shot down US jet because it is violating russian airspace ?

what is the option for USA at this point ?

Escalation ? to what level ?

originally posted by: Hijinx
a reply to: matafuchs

What should we make of this?

How about, Stay the # away from the Russian Coast.

You would be spewing flaming tar if a Russian reconnaissance Jet was flying anywhere near the US. International waters, or not both aircraft have a right to be there. Both Aircraft are an implied threat, and yes a reconnaissance aircraft is a threat. That aircraft is a key step into a larger scale attack, the interceptor is a defensive aircraft, protecting it's airspace, and home land.

The US is pushing Russia, pretty damn hard as of late.

Russia does the same thing to the US...quite regularly.

From a June 12, 2014 article:

Four Russian bombers entered the U.S. Air Defense Zone near Alaska on Monday, senior defense officials told NBC News on Thursday.

U.S. fighter jets from Alaska responded to shadow the Russian craft, which were Tupolev-95 "Bear" four-engine turboprop bombers, the officials said.

The four bombers split into two separate groups of twos: One group remained in the vicinity of Alaska, the other headed south off the northern coast of California, the officials said.

There have been about 50 such intercepts of Russian bombers over the past five years.

Russian Bombers Threaten U.S. Air Space Near Alaska

Another article from 2012:

It is being reported that two Russian Bear bombers were intercepted while flying near the west coast of the United States on the 4th of July, an obvious taunt from the Russians on our nation’s most important day.

This is the second incident in the past two weeks, where Russian nuclear capable bombers have entered, or come near U.S. air space.

This is nothing new, as the Russians are known to violate American air space often. On Sarah Palin’s watch, as Governor of Alaska, and Commander-in-Chief, the Alaska Air National Guard’s 176th Wing routinely escorted the Russians out of Alaskan air space.

Russian Nuclear Bombers Intercepted Over West Coast on Fourth of July

A US RC-135 recently violated Swiss airspace to avoid interception. They reported both ground and airborne radars were tracking them, and there was no time to wait for permission from the Swiss.

When I was on the USS Independence in the Indian Ocean, two F-14s intercepted a Soviet May patrol plane. The backseater of one of the Tomcats was wearing a gorilla mask. The other Tomcat took a picture that showed the first Tomcat's cockpit and a Soviet crewman in an observation blister. The Soviet crewman was laughing so hard that he probably hurt himself. We had pictures of that all over the ship.

a reply to: buntalanlucu

Yes incidents like this are called 'TRAINING ACCIDENTS" Special Operations personnel die from them ALL THE TIME as do vehicular commands so nobody gets paid for a wrongful death and war is averted.
Many training accidents occur in NORTH KOREA ,CHINA,IRAN and other places not listed on the official investigation. Such are the lies.

a reply to: JIMC5499

Those sound familiar. I seem to remember years ago seeing a RIO in a gorilla mask. Pretty funny though.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: buntalanlucu

Yes incidents like this are called 'TRAINING ACCIDENTS" Special Operations personnel die from them ALL THE TIME as do vehicular commands so nobody gets paid for a wrongful death and war is averted.
Many training accidents occur in NORTH KOREA ,CHINA,IRAN and other places not listed on the official investigation. Such are the lies.

what did the US military did to retaliate when their spy plane / spy ship / spy sub / commandoes got killed while they spied in enemy's backyard ?

for example, the RB47 spy plane attacked by soviet interceptor and shotdown, what US gov did back then ? just keep silent and let the enemy shot their spy planes ?

when you mentioned korea, i seem to remmember incident where North Korean infiltrator killed some US soldiers in DMZ, what has been done to retaliate against the Noks ?

and didnt China shot down quite a few U2 flown from taiwan ?

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Note : i want to know what is the standard US procedure when their unit got killed in unofficial conflict like this, especially against Soviets, China, Nok ?

a reply to: buntalanlucu

That's what he's talking about. They are listed as killed in a training accident. No retaliation, no death benefits like they would get in a combat death.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: JIMC5499

Those sound familiar. I seem to remember years ago seeing a RIO in a gorilla mask. Pretty funny though.

Zaph, One funny after action report that I read in the early 1980's was Mig 21's making high speed passes at one of our planes. The MiG 21 would pass beneath the plane and pull up very close in front of our plane. On the second pass, the Mohawk driver pucked flairs as the Mig pass under...the Mig was never seen again. There was no report as to whether a Mig was lost but no Mohawk was harassed on that deployment.

a reply to: buddah6

That's one way to get their attention. Haha. A good one too.

if i recall back in Clinton days (if im not mistaken) there's a Orion Spyplane that was captured by the Chinese and all their technology seized.. might this also already reversed-engineered by the chinese and used to spy on the US fleets ?