Dear mods/admins : Is discussion of the Talmud allowed on ATS?

I have an idea for a thread about certain objectionable concepts in the Talmud. But I'm hesitating to make it because I am worried ATS has an unwritten law prohibiting criticism of Jewish literature and that my thread might result in a ban. I only seek an objective analysis of Talmudic ideas from my fellow goyim(non-Jews) but I strongly felt the need to ask for permission first. So, is discussion of the Talmud allowed allowed on ATS?

I suppose so. It seems ok to bash every other religion . a reply to: sk0rpi0n

a reply to: sk0rpi0n

Kind of a weird request. Hey everyone, do you think the mods will mind?

Just musing…

originally posted by: intrptr
Hey everyone, do you think the mods will mind?

It's a question for the administration and only they can answer it.

If not then there is no real freedom of speech is there on this site? sk0rpi0n if you are censored when you make that thread as an discussion then that is proof of something very wrong.

The whole goyim or or jew thing is from my point of view religious judging of person based on religious view and as insane as racism.

Go to the search page below:

ATS search

Type in Talmud and search, I just did and many results came up.

Here is a thread wondering is the Talmud condones pedophilia:
ATS thread

Here is one that asks, 'Is the Talmud evil?'
ATS Thread

And another, this one entitiled, "Satans Kingdom on Earth - Talmudic Zionism'"
Another ATS thread

The list goes on from there it would seem.

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
If not then there is no real freedom of speech is there on this site?

I thought it was pretty clear that there is *NOT* freedom of speech on this website

Regardless of that, I think discussion of the Talmud would be acceptable as it has happened before. Guess it all depends on the approach.

lets start it gentile !
But Talmud is not Bible. Is it like Hadith books !?

if you honestly think the topic is too sensitive for ats by all means send me a copy of the OP and I'll run it by staff.

Jewish criticism is fine. Go look at all the anti Israel threads. What we don't allow is holocaust denial and pro nazi garbage. Or anti semitism.

-Tenth

a reply to: sk0rpi0n

dude anything can be discussed... within the reasonable boundaries of common sense of course - I've been here since 2005 and I have yet to see a subject that can't be discussed - I've seen subjects that cant be discussed when they take THAT left turn, but if they keep it, like I said "within the reasonable boundaries of common sense" and respect and keeping it civil (specially when its sensitive), I dont think theres anything wrong with it.

And I've seen a LOT of bans also mind you...

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
I have an idea for a thread about certain objectionable concepts in the Talmud. But I'm hesitating to make it because I am worried ATS has an unwritten law prohibiting criticism of Jewish literature and that my thread might result in a ban. I only seek an objective analysis of Talmudic ideas from my fellow goyim(non-Jews) but I strongly felt the need to ask for permission first. So, is discussion of the Talmud allowed allowed on ATS?

Oh - you are thinking of something like "When a grown up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this — that is, less than three years old — it is as if one puts the finger into the eye — tears come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come back to the little girl under three years."

Well Talmudic scripture is full of this type of crap and discussing it is akin to discussing Gonzo Porn.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
What we don't allow is holocaust denial and pro nazi garbage. Or anti semitism.

ok, I just wanted to know if criticizing the racist ideas in the talmud amounts to racism and anti-semitism.

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n

originally posted by: tothetenthpower

What we don't allow is holocaust denial and pro nazi garbage. Or anti semitism.

ok, I just wanted to know if criticizing the racist ideas in the talmud amounts to racism and anti-semitism.

Skorpion,

You are aware, are you not, that there are others out here who use not only the Talmud..but Talmudic principles to carry out their daily lives. The Jews are not the only ones out here using The Talmud or Talmudic principles...either in concept or in actual
Terms or wording. By that I mean by name and in practice.

I do not know or understand why Jews would have any sort of default setting to play through unquestioned or unchallanged on racism verses other people. I would be at a loss to comprehend such.

There are entirely to many groups or specialty interests getting a pass to play through unquestioned or unchallanged while screaming racism. I just dont buy into it.

By this I mean a cottage industry based on racism so that no one sees what they do or understands what is going on.


I have no intention of going through my life in viewing everything I see, hear, and understand through the prizm of racism . By this I mean through someone elses default settings..controlled, managed and manipulated by the authorized version of racism. I will make up my own mind thank you.

I do not want to look at everything in the world through the prizm of racism. I think there are more important things to know and understand going on out here than racism.
I did not get on the racism bandwagon with that NBA team and the owner over Racism. Had no interest in it and the feeding frenzy which took place around it.
This event did , however, make me acutely aware of how many people around me had no idea they were being manipulated onto the racism bandwagon and viewing everything around them through this prizm which was not of their own making or understanding.

When I see this going on ..I am given to ask myself ..how many people out here can be manipulated into a voting booth ..to push buttons or pull levers with a RacismTalmudic understanding and knowledge which is not of their own making?? Not of their own understanding but skillfully transplanted into them by a dedicated priesthood ..of leadership and media/education.

This is what people need to understand about Talmudic operating principles..not the Jews per se.

I also understand that there are certain of the Jews who do not use the Talmud. They are against it's use. The Karaites are just such a sect of the Jews.
So to label the Jews as all using the Talmud would be a diservice to them. It would not be true.



This is, to me, not a matter of racism but inistead a matter of a dual standard...going on in which the people affected by it have no idea it is going on. Instead they think justice is going on but in fact ...a dual standard of non justice is passing for justice.

And I am not referring here only to Jews ..but anyone who would use such principles to play through or default through.

The key to this is that others do not know or understand it is going on.


An Example of a Talmudic principle...is in Health Care forced by government.

Our leadership is on a different system of health care ..paid for by the public till or taxes. A different system than are the rest of us. But their different system is also paid for by the rest of us.

This is a dual system...a system of royalty paid for by us. A Talmudic System.

But most of us are not versed in the Talmud sufficient to see it going on around us. This eventually becomes the new "Normal."

But it is in fact Royalty....ie..Feudalism...a dual system...a Talmudic System...a devout religious belief. And Politics is becoming here in America a devout and zealous religious belief system...bent on fractionating the people into camps...not uniting them. And Talmudic operating principles is one of the tools used to divide and conquer a people by fractionating them into camps for political purposes.

This is what needs to be identified to people..this sort of Talmudic Belief system..not the Jews per se..but this dual system right in front of us.

This is why I say the Jews have no special dispensation on this ..there are others out here carrying on in a Talmudic manner. Non Jews. It is the principle and understanding of this which is important in order to identify it to people who can think outside the box of what someone is attempting to program us...such that "No one sees what we do!!"


Talmud .. a set of rules for some which do not apply to others..but paid for and financed out of the public purse.


If you are not trained to spot it ...around you...you will never know it is going on.

A decietful and Talmudic media help to hide and cover this duality going on around us daily.


You See....in this manner ..or just so..Talmudic operating principles ..are made to be normal..if you do not know how it is being done.




No..to me the Jews have no special privilege or dispensation here to hide in front of the rest of us. It is the principle ..the identifiable principle which is important..not the Jews per se.

By the way...The Talmud did not originate with the Jews. It was something with which they ran into contact in one of their captivities and they loved it and incorporated it privily or in secret and began overlaying it on top of the Law of Moses as if it was the Law of Moses when it was no such thing.


Our own government does this to us daily ...secretly and privily ..without most knowing it is going on.

The business of the Bureau of Land Management and taking away that ranchers property under this Government Department..BLM is an example of Talmudic operations under the cover of Government. A dual system in operation. A Shakedown if you will...by government. A system..were it not exposed by certain media investigators...would have taken place and no one the wiser. But only some of media attempted to expose it..the rest remained silent.

Once again..it is the dual system in operation which few know it is going on or happening.

Hope this helps.

Orangetom

a reply to: sk0rpi0n

I have an objection to doing to other people what you detest being done to you. I vote for not misquoting or quoting in ignorance the holy books of others.

Unless of course you think it's cool when people do it to your holy books.... which I don't. So I don't do it to anyone else.

Basically, if you do not have 10 or 20 years worth of education concerning their books, then you probably don't have any more room to talk than does someone going to an anti-islamic website and deciding they know all there is to know about islam.

a reply to: OpinionatedB

Gotta say .. that's an excellent point.

Skorpion .. you tell people not to be armchair theologians when it comes to Islam. That only Islamic scholars understand Islam. So why are you, ( a non jew and a non scholar), doing it with the Jews? Either it's okay for everyone to pick apart everyone else's religious beliefs ... or it's not okay for anyone to do it at all. Including you.

YOUR POST

Those who are genuinely interested in researching Islam further can google the Islamic side to the "issues" raised in the OP. People don't usually learn science from those opposed to science. So there's no reason for people to learn Islam from those opposed to it.

So wouldn't the same go for you being an arm chair theologian Judaism? Will you be recanting this statement of yours?

Edited out ... i'm saving it for the thread that he starts.

a reply to: FlyersFan

lol... you remind me a lot of a pit bull sometimes.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Edited out ... i'm saving it for the thread that he starts.

you actually composed and saved a post to use as a reply for a thread that you haven't even read? While I'm absolutely flattered, I also feel sorry for you. Get well soon.n

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
you actually composed and saved a post to use as a reply for a thread that you haven't even read?

You said it was on the Talmud and racism. Not too hard to prepare for ...

While I'm absolutely flattered, I also feel sorry for you. Get well soon.

Knock it off.

You feel sorry for me preparing for a thread you have announced?? Silly you. Oh ... and Autoimmune doesn't affect my mental abilities in these matters at all. So you can quit with the insinuations.

ETA .. oh .. and you once again failed to address the question I asked. So wouldn't the same go for you being an arm chair theologian in Judaism? Care to actually answer the question?? Why is it, according to you, wrong for people to point out the issues in Islam ... but it's okay for you to point out the issues in Judaism? Answer it.

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: sk0rpi0n

I have an objection to doing to other people what you detest being done to you. I vote for not misquoting or quoting in ignorance the holy books of others

save it for the thread when it gets made.