Ruins of Ancient industrial Base City or Spaceport near Newton Crater.

Right the focus on possible extra terrestrial ruins has turned to the more sexy martian locations on most recent thread's so to touch on this divisive subject but since I stumbled on this nice little You Tube video by Newandromeda35 whose other video's are well worth a look also I though it was worth sharing as it is very intriguing and seems to show a series of geometric structuring and an interesting structure similar to a squat tower along with another like a football stadium with a flat roof around it semi circular structure.
I know some of this will be dismissed as trick's of light and shadow especially given the oblique angle of the Kaguya probe but have a look for yourselves.
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And have a look at there/his/her other video's such as the highway's and city's on mars.

Now I am a firm believer that there are relics and artefact's on the moon but not convinced of there relation to either us or an alien race as I believe they are very ancient indeed, this does not preclude however that such ancient structure's may have been repurposed by visitor's at a later date and indeed may also have been or be one day repurposed by our own military.

If these were currently active and alive installations we would see light's on the moon and before the invention of street lighting there would be many references to light's on the moon, of course if they were there at that time next to a primitive resource rich planet they would have come down here so I believe them to be older than humanity or at least our current version of humanity and as this does not therefore clash with my Christian beliefs I am very interested indeed.

Here are separate links to image's I have stored at ATS for thread use that you may find interesting.

Apollo sixteen strange relic's near house rock.
files.abovetopsecret.com... Objects just coming into view at the left of image, you will not see anything yet.
files.abovetopsecret.com... Between the two left objects there is a wheel like object, download and zoom you will see if you look a possible pair of buckled caterpillar treads and the weel or cylinder is actually still inside the left on while part of the vehicle cab is tipped over almost on its roof just to the right of them (the centre large object or brightest of the three).
files.abovetopsecret.com... Moving away to the left.
files.abovetopsecret.com... Here is my favourite but it is low res, still if you look past the astronaut to the upturned cab section you will see that there are two weel's still attached to it's underbelly.

Apollo seventeen.
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files.abovetopsecret.com... Here are highlighted a number of unusual aspect's to the image such as a skid on the luner surface where the fine dust has been disturbed revealing coarser underlying stone rubble and a number of possible artefact like or wreckage pieces.
files.abovetopsecret.com... Circled area's from right to left.
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How about vehicle stopped in there tracks a long time ago.
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Now of course the air brush monkey's did there part and any really excellent proof would have been obfuscated through a variety of techniques such as air brushing or even losing the images but some thing's slipped past precisely because of there enigmatic nature.

Enjoy and to any other thread author if it helps feel free to use these direct link's and to simply google search the image to find the original.
Here is one you wont find on the net anymore though as this was obtained by a now defunct web site under the us freedom of information, it is a full colour frame, they have added overlay writing so ignore that, and a Expedition frame from negative as opposed to a sanitized catalogue frame, they had some well connected people among them but were shut down several years back.
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files.abovetopsecret.com... They made a close study of the differences between the catalogue frame and the expedition original's pointing out airbrushing and some expedition frames they simply could not obtain no matter how hard they tried, they included archaeologist and scientists on there staff working anonymously on this with the intent of exposing what they believed the public should have a right to know.


Now definitely not related but I love the whole ancient astronaut scene and there are some strange artefacts.
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Now as you know there is enough information like this to fill an encyclopaedia but that is your job, enjoy and debunk or believe as you will as whatever I wish you the best and god bless.

I also apologise for my atrocious grammar and spelling.

Pareidolia (/pærɨˈdoʊliə/ parr-i-doh-lee-ə) is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant, a form of apophenia. Common examples include seeing images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon or the Moon rabbit, and hearing hidden messages on records when played in reverse.

For example:

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Things aren't always what they seem. Those pictures are of rocks.

I have yet to see any convincing images for structures or artifacts on the Moon or Mars, or the ancient alien hypothesis. Very intriguing and even entertaining ideas but in the realm of science fiction. The main problems I have with these conspiracies is the huge lack of credibility the people behind them have and the lack of real evidence. Coincidentally, Coast to Coast AM promoting these easily dis-credible ideas is what made me realize the truth means nothing them.

Show me something solid and I'm willing to reconsider.

Well with India, China, Russia and now Iran coming out with their own space photos with resolutions that NASA only kept for themselves... it will not be long before we see close ups of whatever may exist in our solar system... As this great post shows... maybe more than we are told...

The video in the OP has absolutely nothing in it that remotely resembles a city, or even artificial structures. They haven't even bothered to identify ones for us, just panned slowly over a still from a Kaguya video. Go check out the LRO views, or even Google Moon's overlay of Newton crater. There is nothing there. All we're given is spooky music and the power of suggestion.

The rest of the OP has been discussed ad nauseam, mostly by the OP, on this site. The claims that an FOIA request was used to get hold of Apollo images is nonsense, as is the claim that there are such things as 'Expedition frames' based on negatives. The Hasselblad images, for a start, are positives not negatives. The images of Split Rock from Apollo 17 are in the Apollo 17 preliminary Science Report that was freely available from 1973. I have a paper copy of one and it is considerably better than the poor quality reproduction they used.

Although the OP claims the original site carrying out this bogus research was taken down, a cached version is available and it falls pretty much into the category of "Making sh*t up".

i want us to find evidence of life out there somewhere, just as much as anyone....

but for the love of christ, it's rocks....

the only terribly odd thing about any of it, is the space suit on that A-16 astronaut..

a reply to: LABTECH767

Interesting video. The anomalies appear geometrically realized.

Lines and right angles in a so massive area are not natural.
S&f.

originally posted by: Daedalus

the only terribly odd thing about any of it, is the space suit on that A-16 astronaut..

What do you find odd about it? Looks pretty grubby, but not odd.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
whose other video's are well worth a look

Let us see, ufo/alien youtube video with added music = crap.

a reply to: Rob48

i'm no expert on the U.S. space program, but unless the suit used by american astronauts changed drastically between apollo 12, and apollo 16, then it doesn't look right, that's all..

originally posted by: R_Clark
Well with India, China, Russia and now Iran coming out with their own space photos with resolutions that NASA only kept for themselves... it will not be long before we see close ups of whatever may exist in our solar system... As this great post shows... maybe more than we are told...

Kept for themselves in the sense that you can look at the entire moon in close-up (down to 50cm per pixel in many areas), free of charge, on the LRO QuickMap website?

Or that China has also mapped the entire moon down to a resolution of seven metres — plenty enough to see an alien city unless they were REALLY SMALL ALIENS...

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: Rob48

i'm no expert on the U.S. space program, but unless the suit used by american astronauts changed drastically between apollo 12, and apollo 16, then it doesn't look right, that's all..

There were a few changes to the suit to accommodate the requirements of the longer EVAs on the J missions, yes. Apollos 15-17 used an updated version called the A7LB. Lots of info at en.m.wikipedia.org...

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So, let's have a look at this "city", then.

Here is a frame from the video. The supposed "city" that it zooms in on is above the dark crater at the centre, to the right of the prominent smaller crater on its far rim.



Flipping that image upside down to match the LRO map. I've ringed the area of the "city" and also identified some named craters, and a couple of small ones that are colour coded so you can see we are looking at the right place:



And now here is the LRO imagery of the area in question, from a top-down rather than oblique view.



Again I have ringed the area of the supposed "city".

Here is the same area on the LRO map. Zoom in as far as you like, and you'll just find rocks and craters.

Here is an image from smack in the centre of the supposed "city", at a resolution of 1 metre per pixel. The entire width of this image is less than half a mile.



Nothing to see here. That's no space station... it's a moon.

I think I see The Lunar Berghof.

originally posted by: Rob48
Nothing to see here.

Even though it's a whole lot of nothing I've always found it fascinating to look at.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
I think I see The Lunar Berghof.

originally posted by: Rob48
Nothing to see here.

Even though it's a whole lot of nothing I've always found it fascinating to look at.

Oh, I agree. I could waste hours scrolling round the lunar landscape. Just that alien bases are a bit thin on the ground

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They must have air brushed the crap out of those picture for all I see is a bunch of rock.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
Here is one you wont find on the net anymore though as this was obtained by a now defunct web site under the us freedom of information, it is a full colour frame, they have added overlay writing so ignore that, and a Expedition frame from negative as opposed to a sanitized catalogue frame, they had some well connected people among them but were shut down several years back.
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They made a close study of the differences between the catalogue frame and the expedition original's pointing out airbrushing and some expedition frames they simply could not obtain no matter how hard they tried, they included archaeologist and scientists on there staff working anonymously on this with the intent of exposing what they believed the public should have a right to know.

Why are you repeating this nonsense which was shown to be nonsense five months ago right here?

What are you talking about "expedition frames" and "catalogue frames"? All the photographs taken on the lunar surface are catalogued.

This is a panorama of Split Rock, aka "Tracy's Rock", at Station 6 on the Apollo 17 EVA.

Here is the panorama that you claim is "nowhere to be found on the net". It's on the Apollo 17 Surface Journal photo index, where you would expect to find it.



And here is your "top secret" version:




For some reason the "labelled version" you posted above has been very badly stitched. There is a section missing from the middle of it, as you can see by looking at the horizon under the "ai" of "Bear Mountain", and at the way the top of the big boulder no longer aligns, and not only that but the right-hand half has been enlarged compared to the left-hand half, so the bottom of the boulder is misaligned by an even greater degree!

That is the reason that the rock looks different in your version.



Here I have "adjusted" the properly stitched panorama so that it closely resembles your badly Photoshopped version (I can even see clone lines in the middle of your version to try and paint over the join!). Click on it for a larger version:

Notice that in the version I gave, they used a different picture for the left-hand side with Jack Schmitt in a different position (you might recognise this one from my avatar!)

But both of them are there in the library: they are consecutive frames, AS17-140-21496 and AS17-140-21497.

Look - here's the one used in your "top secret" version that's supposedly been purged from the whole internet and not even a Freedom of Information request can reveal it....



Please, if you're going to make wild claims, do a little bit of research first and you'll avoid repeating stupid errors. All of the Apollo surface images are catalogued, all of them are available to study in detail on the internet.

And here it is on the front cover of my Preliminary Science Report, on my sofa:

And for good measure, the same boulders as seen from the LRO. The panorama shows Block 1 (left) and Block 2 (the bigger one to the right). In the LRO image, Block 2 is the big rock at dead centre (the higher of the two big rocks) and Block 1 is the smaller one at about 1 o'clock. from it. Notice also the footprint trail visible to the east of the boulders.



Compare to the map drawn of the site in the mission report.




And finally, if you really want a good laugh, the pioneering website that supposedly blew the lid of this whole conspiracy and was silenced and expunged from the net.... available for all to see via the Wayback Machine.

This does clear up one mystery... what the site meant by "Expedition Frame" versus "Catalogue Frame".

(Above) Two enlarged partials of the same frame, AS17-140-21497. Image from Apollo Expeditions to the Moon (62.7 KB Left) Standard low resolution Catalog frame (57.2 KB right) The "Expeditions" frame shows the part on top more prominently (even though it has been obscured) than in the Catalog frame.

The top secret "Expedition Frame" didn't come from a FoI request... it came from a book called Apollo: Expeditions to the Moon, which is so top secret that it is available in full on the NASA website. Or you can buy it on Amazon .

The image that is not available anywhere on the internet is right here, on this page: in all its unlabelled glory: history.nasa.gov...



and it is clearly a scan of a panorama across two printed pages, which is why the two halves don't match up!

Which rather gives the lie to the OP's claim that

Here is one you wont find on the net anymore though as this was obtained by a now defunct web site under the us freedom of information

doesn't it?

Seriously, what a load of complete rubbish

Now the environment of the moon is not a place were thing's stay pristine and neither is space despite many sci fi storys in which an ancient space ship is used such as the stargate story's.
In fact it is incredibly harsh with temperature ranges that go from extreme cold to extreme heat which of course cause molecular degredation through expansion and contraction, particle radiation (which attacks the electron bond's and even breaks monovalent and even covalent bonds over time) and solar particle wind which also smash into the bond' of the material's and of course impact splash on the lunar surface which would rain down debris at ballistic velocity's with no atmosphere to slow it down.
As for the city it is not the only one of it's type up there as seen on other thread's and similar patterns appear on sime of them I see a tower, and several other object's at the city like pattern near newton crater but to play devil's advocate like I said it could be a mix of digital data, i.e. A digital image is sampled and depending on the luminosity and shade as well as the sensativity of the photo optic system unlike the older apollo images which were genuine photographic film it suffers from being essentially compressed to the nearest colours available to the CCD chip and support circuitry as well, storage and transmission algorythms may also leave there mark on an image, the best analogy is the different between a high quality analogue audio and a low quality digital audio in that they are still not the same thing - BUT these are state of the art optics and digital optical sampling systems which will be more sensative than mose old photographic film as well as far more than our eye's so MAYBE there is something there.
Like I state I believe there are artifact's on the moon and I also believe them to be of extreme age, not ten or twenty thousand year's but much older though the rate of degradation for material's of different density's is unknown to me (and every other scientist on earth) and I assume hard dense crystalline metal or ceramic object's would last the longest so the Caseys rock image which IS the Expedition frame and not the catalogue frame (They are both nasa not fake, well not fake except on the part of Nasa whose famous subcontractor air brush monkey's TOUCHED up the apollo images for public release) has what look's like solenoid (most likely in a near vaccuum environment) or piston actuator's at part of the Leg, it is a six legged object and look at the falled flat piece where the astronaut's took sample scoops (Which may have helped in the development of the space shuttle tile's, the lunar dust has very interesting therman insulation property's or is it that dust that has those property's) and also look more closely at it's shape in isolation to the rest of the object, does it look vaguely aerodynamic - remember the six million dollar man series with the genuine footage of NASA and airforce prototyps re entry gliders built after this expedition in one the bionic man whom was a supposed test pilot was nearly killed so they had the technology and could rebuild him you remember it was sci fi but the footage was very real, doese it look vaguely similar?.

OK I buy Rob's analysis as he has most elegantly shown a possible tampering but that site as real and no advert's or cookie's, it was old net and ran from a university campus, the image's were obtained according to them under Freedom of information and the Expedition frame denotes that it is not the official release to CATALOGUE but a frame which was supposedly freshly taken from the original negative slide.

However Airbrushing and Image alteration are or were normal at the time and as technology has moved on there techniques have been radically improved, you know that the newer image's from the HIRISE and other new probe's are easy to tamper with beyond the ability of a human observer to recognize, they know all the tricks and what a professional image analyst look's for so they know how to hide it, the older image's though are very enlightening and it is telling that it was a japanese probe that showed these anomoly's, LunarArcheaology.org dissapeared about 6 years ago and it did include scientists and archeaologists, it was non profit and based in the US, they put it up as information and never even used cookies so what did they gain by faking if indeed as you claim it was faked, please enlighten us with your sage and indisputable totally correct and never ever wrong opinions.

Here is some information about the Air brushing that went on at NASA.
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www.ufos-aliens.co.uk...

And most pertinant to this thread, Have you ever heard of Karl Wolf.
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There is plenty out that and MOST of us now believe so the damage limitation on the part of the corporation's whom want to keep the patent's to themselves is far too late and there crime against humanity will I assure you come back to them one day, Information is control and control is power but power is never democratic is it so for the yanks whom is the enemy foreign and domestic whom want's to keep you uninformed about what your tax doller's revealed, it was not there money it was your money and they work for YOU.