Evidence - Fukishima Poisoning & Killing

It has been very difficult to make an accurate assessment of the situation because TEPCO has been reluctant to provide accurate information. It wasn't easy but I managed to create a rough estimate of the situation based off of TEPCO's release figures. It has been openly stated that the problems at Fukushima are beyond humanities current ability to solve and there is a chance that the situation could become far worse then it already is. Considering the social, political, economical, geographical, and environmental consequences of this disaster; I estimate a death toll of 2-4 Billion over the next 50-100 years(accounting for direct and indirect causes). Please keep in mind that population growth will most likely outpace the amount of people affected unless the situation degrades further. I also expect the official numbers will be grossly understated and that would be consistent with what has been told to the public so far.

originally posted by: TheWetCoast
It has been very difficult to make an accurate assessment of the situation because TEPCO has been reluctant to provide accurate information. It wasn't easy but I managed to create a rough estimate of the situation based off of TEPCO's release figures. It has been openly stated that the problems at Fukushima are beyond humanities current ability to solve and there is a chance that the situation could become far worse then it already is. Considering the social, political, economical, geographical, and environmental consequences of this disaster; I estimate a death toll of 2-4 Billion over the next 50-100 years (accounting for direct and indirect causes. Please keep in mind that population growth will most likely outpace the amount of people affected unless the situation degrades further. I also expect the official numbers will be grossly understated and that would be consistent with what has been told to the public so far.

It's impossible to predict what will happen once people start dying in such vast numbers. Mass migrations, civil wars and international conflicts are possible and the repercussions unthinkable.

a reply to: TheWetCoast

I would be most interested in hearing details about how you arrived at those numbers...

a reply to: wishes

With regard to deaths - it can be important to utilise Chernobyl as a reference. There are articles and photographic evidence that clearly evinces the ongoing health problems- many many years later. Warning though should you decide to research the subject - the photographic evidence of the people is soul destroying. No human should have to suffer the health issues shown in the photographs.

Fukishima is a catastrophe and I think we have gone beyond the time needed to stop the continuing contamination of the Pacific Ocean. I think it is now a matter of protecting the health of humans - after all the marine life cannot clean up the contamination - only the humans.

I think that as much information as possible should be shared in an effort for the truth to become known globally. How to achieve that I am not sure - so much of the mainstream media is controlled - as is the internet in many ways.

With regards to the posts in this thread - it is obvious that some people know the catastrophic nature of what has happened although some are still unsure/oblivious. It is a shame that people have to get sick or suffer in some manner as a direct result of Fukishima - before they realise the enormity of the situation.

Thanks for keeping this thread moving along - the sharing of all information and opinions and ideas is integral to the survival of our once healthy planet.

Much Peace ...

The thanks - for keeping the thread alive is meant for all posters. Much Peace ...

Where were we.

Oh yeah, Wet coast was about to tell us how half the people on the planet were about to die from radiation poisoning caused by the continuing meltdown of the three reactors at Fukushima Daiichi.

I'd be particularly interested in how you factored in the possibility of another earthquake of equal or greater magnitude than the one on 11/3/2011 causing the spent fuel pools to plummet 100 feet to the ground in a chain reaction bringing all 14,000 times the amount of fissionable material as Hiroshima into play.

I hope WetCoast will share some thoughts about the numbers. One way is to consider the whole population in the northern hemisphere and factor in others elsewhere eating radioactive fish/food...

Getting actual cancer stats today isn't so easy - my understanding is it has risen considerably in recent decades so that everyone knows someone with cancer and that 2/4 or 3/4 people are expected to get it - but I had a quick look weeks back and couldn't find any easy stats on that on the internet. I'm sure the rates have risen, just not sure from 'what' to 'what'. I'm sure cancer is primarily from environmental radiation (as in radiation put into the environment from bomb testing and nuke plants), and cigarettes that also contain radiation. Is not normal to have so much cancer. Diet has some part in it, but many get cancer who have lived healthy lives.

Yeah, and if (when?) the whole thing topples over there... Seems these contingencies are mostly forgotten. Even if you ask anyone about Fukushima they will usually just say they assumed it was all fixed...

I hope those people who adamantly repeat it is no problem end up being proven right... but I'm not gonna hold my breath either.

a reply to: Amanda5
Yes, I'm familiar with Chernobyl and Hiroshima photos. They also experimented on children years back (the ringworm children) claiming they had ringworms and the only solution was to 'harmlessly' radiate their heads. Of course they all died. The atrocities are endless and no one ever accountable for them. Radiation is not harmless and it will take time for Fukushima's effects to be seen, but the effects seen won't be attributed to Fukushima so we really will never know. No one attributes cancer to radiation.

I actually heard on a Dr. Oz episode once he said in the 1960's (I think) thyroid cancer suddenly rose and they didn't know why... how can looking at the increase in cancer timeline compared to nuclear testing be so obviously missed? Can't get accurate data - either it's not available because it's private records or being withheld or not being accurately recorded in the first place. Have to rely on cancer institutes but they don't have all the data either. So need to take what basic data is available and guestimate.

Gotta enjoy the moments, it's all we really have anyway :-)

a reply to: wishes

Using our own brain - our own personal cognitive dissonance is what will lead us to the answers. We are taught to reference information and that is all good and fine - and - I understand the reasons why we reference. We must not forget about the amazing abilities of our brain - we can read a myriad of articles and it is only then that we can choose to - join the dots - as it were.

All the referenced articles on the planet don't necessarily tell us the truth of Fukishima - it is our ability to piece together all the information that we gather. This is the true beauty of our brain - putting together fragments of information - like a three dimensional jig saw.

As long as people come to realise that radiation related cancers and health issues are not some mystical curse - and - are an actual tangible part of our reality and directly connected to our ecology - then and only then can we make real change.

I am glad that this thread is chugging along and stimulating individual intellects - every aspect helps to make the big picture.

Much Peace...

a reply to: Amanda5

Here's a recording of Ivan talking to Bill Crews on his radio station.

Listen to Crews' opening remarks.

Listen to Ivan talking about how a large fishing boat gave him 5 bags full of fish and what they do with the fish they don't want.

a reply to: Amanda5

It's clearly many of Japanese thinking like this :

Sincerely hope the whole pacific ocean buried with me ,it's all your people fault that never present all free oil to Japan.

Why you folks can't listen their heartfelt wishes?

A brotherhood of death is ruling the world. If we as a civilization can not or do not want to stop them we do not deserve to inherrit the Earth. It is time that some super celebs start a campaign to make the world aware and activate their governments to clean up the mess. An international effort..

If you ask why celebs,...it is these people most people of the world listen to every day...

As of March 5,2013 the total amount of Cesium 137 released into the environment was about 47 Quadrillion bequerals and the amount of Cesium 134 released was about the same(half life for C-137 is 30.17 years/half life for C-134 is 2.07 years). On March 23, 2013 TEPCO stated that about 900 Trillion bequerels of Strontium-90 had been released into the environment since the problems began. On August 3,2013 TEPCO acknowledged that between 20 and 40 Trillion bequerels of Tritium had leaked into the Pacific Ocean up to that date. On August 19,2013 TEPCO stated that over 300 tonnes of radioactive water containing over 25 Trillion bequerels of (?) had leaked from storage tanks that were being used on-site. On November 26,2013 TEPCO admitted that an estimated 2.5 Trillion bequerels of Plutonium 238/239 was released into the air between March 12,2011 and March 15,2011. On January 9,2014 TEPCO stated that about 90 Quadrillion bequerels of Cesium 137 had been released up to that date(quite a jump from March 5 2013), it is safe to assume that an equal amount of Cesium-134 had been released. Samples were also taken from Tokyo(soil I think) that contained about 3000 bequerels/Kg of Uranium and the samples also contained Lead-210, Cesium 137/134, Rhodium-102, and Strontium-90. I'll try to find updated release figure for Uranium(I think the numbers are slightly less than for Plutonium. I believe the total monthly releases are 300-400 Trillion bequerels consisting of about 200 different radioactive isotopes. Next post: What does all this mean/how I made my estimate.

originally posted by: Psynic
Where were we.

Oh yeah, Wet coast was about to tell us how half the people on the planet were about to die from radiation poisoning caused by the continuing meltdown of the three reactors at Fukushima Daiichi.

I'd be particularly interested in how you factored in the possibility of another earthquake of equal or greater magnitude than the one on 11/3/2011 causing the spent fuel pools to plummet 100 feet to the ground in a chain reaction bringing all 14,000 times the amount of fissionable material as Hiroshima into play.

My figures are based off a "Best Case Scenario". The situation could quickly degenerate into an Extinction Level Event if it isn't already.

Bequerels is used for internal doses and Sieverts are used for external doses. 300 Billion bequerels of Cesium-137 being released into the environment per month(numbers could be higher) converted into Sieverts is 3900 Sieverts. 3900 Sieverts is at least 650 lethal doses if you calculate for a one time exposure; That is for only one of about 200 different isotopes but I used that number to start calculating the cumulative effects that will result from this disaster. When you account for the other 199 isotope I think it is safe to assume that at least 3000 lethal doses are being released per month; The initial atmospheric releases are NOT factored into this number but after the first year the minimum lethal doses was about 36000/day. So after 3 years enough radioactive particles have been released to kill a minimum of 108,000 people per day. I think contaminated food and water is the biggest factor to consider when trying to calculate what the cost of this disaster will be. More to come.....

At the moment we are NOT seeing 108,000 people killed per day(39,420,000 for one year) because the radiation is spread over a very large area. Unfortunately the situation is only going to get worse and there is NO WAY to stop it from degrading further. I'll try to get more recent information so I can reassess the situation and I will provide more details in the near future as to why I believe my numbers are accurate.

Any estimates based on statements from TEPCO are worthless.

I have found Dr Helen Caldicott - an Australian doctor - to be a sound reference for information about radiation itself and Fukishima. Some time ago I noted that she had become publicly vocal about Fukishima - in an effort to educate people, to enlighten them, empower them and plain old wake them up.

I would recommend Dr Caldicott for anyone who has an interest in researching Fukishima - her input is sound and based on her medical/science background.

Much Peace...

a reply to: Amanda5

Yes, I saw her "If You Love This Planet Earth" documentary about radiation 30 years ago...

originally posted by: Psynic
Any estimates based on statements from TEPCO are worthless.

I wouldn't agree they're worthless, just grossly underestimated - can pretty much assume that whatever they've admitted to is far less than the reality... and at least gives a 'basic' jump off point...