1/3 of all pregnancies end in abortion in Detroit

I say who the hell cares? If it hurts you so damn much that these pregnancies are being terminated then please send a letter to the parents telling them that you will personally take the baby in, feed it, put clothes on its back and provide a roof for it to grow for the next 18 years.

Getting sick and tired of hearing the right wingers that are for "limited government" complain so damn much about other people's personal choices.

originally posted by: Elton
Or perhaps, if you live in a hellhole you realize that you do not want to bring a child into that.

25 cent condoms at a gas station or 7-11 ... free condoms handed out by planned parenthood ... give up a pack of cigarettes and buy some condoms instead .... Use some common sense. Not hard to do.

Abortion should be used for accidents or for health reasons, not used as birth control. (that's my opinion) I find the statistic sad, but not surprising.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
Including how the hospitals are not providing contraception because it's against their religion.

Which is their right not to. There is nothing wrong with that.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

When a woman self aborts, the baby suffers too. Selfish. I HATE abortions, but if it is a last resort, make it merciful.

Sorry, but unless you were a virgin when you married, you don't know how many kids you made.

Bringing an unwanted kid makes all of us pay. Now, if we ever get to the place "where it takes a village" mentality like it was before civilization and capatilism, then maybe there won't be so many terminations.

I don't what your sex life was like but I remember the names of my partners and they didn't have my babies.
that is one of the reasons abortions are so common. People today act more like animals and have no morals.
One night stands and drunken parties are way to common.
and I agree with you that abortions should be done by trained doctors and not by butchers.

originally posted by: muse7
I say who the hell cares? If it hurts you so damn much that these pregnancies are being terminated then please send a letter to the parents telling them that you will personally take the baby in, feed it, put clothes on its back and provide a roof for it to grow for the next 18 years.

Getting sick and tired of hearing the right wingers that are for "limited government" complain so damn much about other people's personal choices.

maybe your looking at the situation wrong
How about left wingers stop trying to take care of every moron that's to dumb to use a condom. When you don't get paid to have 6 kids and have to feed them yourself, you may not have 6 kids.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
How about left wingers stop trying to take care of every moron that's to dumb to use a condom. When you don't get paid to have 6 kids and have to feed them yourself, you may not have 6 kids.

But seriously, what happens when those 6 kids are innocently born into a home that neither wanted nor can afford them? Do we want to live in a society that would let them live in the streets and beg for food? Let them die of starvation and neglect?

Can you answer this question?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
How about left wingers stop trying to take care of every moron that's to dumb to use a condom. When you don't get paid to have 6 kids and have to feed them yourself, you may not have 6 kids.

But seriously, what happens when those 6 kids are innocently born into a home that neither wanted nor can afford them? Do we want to live in a society that would let them live in the streets and beg for food? Let them die of starvation and neglect?

Can you answer this question?

I don't have a problem with abortion. At least early term.
Adoption laws need to be made less complicated and less expencive.
Just handing out money to irresponsible people will not make them better parents.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Condoms are about $1 a piece at the 7/11 and you have to buy a $3 pack and one can only go to the health clinic so many times a year. I have been broke and can tell you condoms were not on the budget. I am all for free birth control, and feel like health departments should make it available to all women.

The wholesale cost of birth control for a women is less $20 a year, a small price to pay for society. Especially for those already on welfare.

a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

Exactly. And the best way to protect the unborn is have as much affordable birth control as possible. Even if I have to pay for it for someone else.

About my sex life. Well, I will admit I had a good time. As soon as The Pill came out, I got mine. I did not get pregnant until I was married 5 years. Hit our 34th anniversary in May.

originally posted by: Psynic

originally posted by: azdaze
a reply to: Psynic

Either way, I think it is safe to call Detroit either a third world country or a battle zone by now.

Wouldn't it be a 'Sixth World Country'?

Believe it or not? Detroit doesn't qualify for anything below 3rd world for the oddest of reasons (and yeah, for others who may not know, the ranks do fall on past 3rd world)

Investopedia explains 'Fourth World'

Fourth World nations can consist of those excluded from society. For example, the Aborginal tribes in South America or Australia. These tribes are entirely self sufficient, but they do not participate in the global economy. From a global standpoint, these tribes are considered to be Fourth World nations, but they are able to function free from any assistance from others. Fourth World nations do not contribute or consume anything on the global scale, and are unaffected by any global events.

Source

They consume everything they have and can get from outside, and produce next to nothing on net balance. It's a very sad reason to have to note the grinding poverty that profound mismanagement has brought. Many many years of profound mismanagement.

I do feel sorry for the residents though, however cold hearted some may be on that matter. The average man or woman chasing the magic $0 balance to all bills paid at the end of the month doesn't have and shouldn't have to worry about finding the time to help run city government too. They just got screwed for the misfortune of living there.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

profound mismanagement has brought. Many many years of profound mismanagement.

Starting with Coleman Young in my opinion only, that is the exact time that Detroit started the big slide into oblivion.
If you live in or near Detroit this is a no-brainer...... We watched it happen throughout the years.

Regards, Iwinder

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: smithjustinb
We want to help with education.

But you don't want to teach sexually active young people about contraception, or make it easy for them to obtain. In fact, you want to make them illegal in many cases... (If you're going to speak for all conservatives, then I'm going to blame YOU for the insane things conservatives do.)

I don't speak for all conservatives. I think freely. It just so happens that much of what I believe corresponds to the prevailing conservative ideology. However, not everything. I believe in sex ed, and I believe in making contraception easy to obtain. I don't believe in murder and killing babies though. I do believe in abortion if the mother has been raped, or other extreme circumstances. I don't believe in abortion just because a woman is too immature to accept responsibility. That would be a sad day in America if we let them kill babies for that.

a reply to: smithjustinb

That is a moral and rational view on abortion.

The problem is there are far too many children in the US alone born to families that can not take care of them, it does take a toll on society and it does strain the welfare system. Because of this I am okay with all first trimester abortions.

Also, we should as a society be okay with stem-cell research.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: smithjustinb

That is a moral and rational view on abortion.

The problem is there are far too many children in the US alone born to families that can not take care of them, it does take a toll on society and it does strain the welfare system.

Then the problem is education. The problem is giving welfare out to those who are capable of working or going to school but would rather live off of the government. The solution is not abortion.

a reply to: smithjustinb

I don't believe in abortion just because a woman is too immature to accept responsibility.

So, 13, 14, 15, 16 years olds should be forced to give birth?

That would be a sad day in America if we let them kill babies for that.

At what point are they "killing babies"?

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: smithjustinb

I don't believe in abortion just because a woman is too immature to accept responsibility.

So, 13, 14, 15, 16 years olds should be forced to give birth?

Noone is "forcing" them to give birth. They set that course of events into motion on their own. If you don't want the effect, don't partake in the cause. Hopefully the parents share the burden for their lack of parenting skills. Yes, they should give birth.

That would be a sad day in America if we let them kill babies for that.

At what point are they "killing babies"?

When they suck them out of a womb with a straw. (or however they kill them these days).

Some of you people are really sick. And they say conservatives are the immoral ones.

a reply to: Iwinder

I'll tell you my personal knowledge of Detroit runs a limited time frame between about 1996 and 1998 for the most part. I was in and out a couple times a year to 2010, but that early time frame was weekly or more.

The company I was running produce for in the early part of my career had strong connections with and largely serviced a specialty client set in Detroit and a few cities in Ohio. At that time I disliked Detroit for the distinct lack of truck related facilities and ...what is it with low bridges anyway? ...I disgress tho.. lol

Safety on the street wasn't a major concern how I saw it and I was usually in there between midnight and dawn. At least, I'll say I didn't feel any more threatened in Detroit for just having to be aware all the time than Birmingham or L.A. or Chicago (Chicago was worse) . At least not until the last years when I refused some loads going into that area of Michigan for the safety issue. A whole industry kinda collapsed and Detroit sat in the middle of it.

a reply to: smithjustinb

We are being compassionate towards a child who is hopeless to stop its own murder. Your logic fails you today. Having compassion means we should allow people who get pregnant to have an abortion? You really have a sick, twisted sense of morality if you think that is compassionate.

You keep calling abortion murder and accusing women of "murdering babies" as if that's true. It's not. Stop with the emotional hyperbole!

What's sick is your dismissal of the right to "choice" for real live, breathing, thinking and "hoping" women to NOT give birth in favor of the (non-existent) rights of a potential life.