3 year old recalls past life ,Identifies killer and location of body

originally posted by: raymundoko
I would argue, scientifically, that anyone who has memories from a past life got them from DNA:

themindunleashed.org...

a reply to: raymundoko

So in your scientific explanation which Im yet to see, I just see a link to someone elses explanation, someone totally unrelated with a completely different DNA history remembers past lives of people with totally unrelated DNA.

Interesting, please go on.

a reply to: OneManArmy

Id rather believe in something than believe in nothing.

I [realize] there is more to life than just material gain, but hey each to their own.

Even your "more to life" is material gain. If you cannot see enough reward in this life that you must seek it in another is greed.

originally posted by: Aphorism
a reply to: OneManArmy

Id rather believe in something than believe in nothing.

I [realize] there is more to life than just material gain, but hey each to their own.

Even your "more to life" is material gain. If you cannot see enough reward in this life that you must seek it in another is greed.

In the immortal words of Bill Hicks "Life is just a ride".
Life isnt about material gain, its about expanding consciousness as everything comes from consciousness. IMO
Before matter there could have only been consciousness that brought "material" into existence. Otherwise the universe has always existed, but yet the expansion of the universe doesnt support the constant state universe model.

If the universe had a beginning, then it had a cause, and a reason for coming into being and a CREATOR.
A creator not bound by the material laws of physics as we know them in this material universe. Which turns out is mostly empty space anyway.

Thats just logic. IMO.
I have thought about this deeply for years, and its the only logical conclusion I can provide.

If life was about material gain then why cant we take it with us when we die?

And to add, no need to correct my spelling it wasnt a mistake, Im english thats how we spell realise in english.

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: Morg234
a reply to: maddy21

Shame that so many duped believers in garbage such as a "past life" and psychic abilities have flagged this non story.

It's a shame that given the majority of ATS seemingly being theists, there's a laughably expectation that nonsense like this actually needs to be "debunked".

So debunk it then.

Id rather believe in something than believe in nothing.

I realise there is more to life than just material gain, but hey each to their own.

I look forward to reading your debunk.

You cannot debunk something that requires faith in order to believe in it! It is incumbent on the believer to show that there is more to it than faith. Some verifiable proof not anecdotes and stories with more holes than a swiss cheese.

Tell me this why do all the stories of re-incarnation involve an "interesting person" ie a murder, a famous person, kings queens etc etc The vast vast majority of people (99.99%) have ordinary lives so why dont we get a thousand tales about the toilet cleaners, the road sweepers, the dishwashers , the clerk , the housewife, house husband etc.

The answer is bleedin obvious to folks who don't believe in this........

originally posted by: yorkshirelad

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: Morg234
a reply to: maddy21

Shame that so many duped believers in garbage such as a "past life" and psychic abilities have flagged this non story.

It's a shame that given the majority of ATS seemingly being theists, there's a laughably expectation that nonsense like this actually needs to be "debunked".

So debunk it then.

Id rather believe in something than believe in nothing.

I realise there is more to life than just material gain, but hey each to their own.

I look forward to reading your debunk.

You cannot debunk something that requires faith in order to believe in it! It is incumbent on the believer to show that there is more to it than faith. Some verifiable proof not anecdotes and stories with more holes than a swiss cheese.

Tell me this why do all the stories of re-incarnation involve an "interesting person" ie a murder, a famous person, kings queens etc etc The vast vast majority of people (99.99%) have ordinary lives so why dont we get a thousand tales about the toilet cleaners, the road sweepers, the dishwashers , the clerk , the housewife, house husband etc.

The answer is bleedin obvious to folks who don't believe in this........

ERM we do.

Obviously you havent studied the phenomenon much and are just repeating a soundbite, one I heard in the 80's.

In all the supposed cases Ive read or seen in documentaries, it is very much the minority that have anything to do with famous people.

Before I throw an idea to the dogs, I at least take 5 mins looking into it.

a reply to: OneManArmy

Yeah that is true. There are plenty of stories and evidence all around. It's just that the stories like this (hoax or not) get the media attention.

Plenty of research on this (some involving doctors).

If this story is true, then my deceased Mother is not watching over us from Heaven after all. Instead, she's probably living another life with a new mother/father and maybe new children? Mom no longer remembers her husband, me or my brother. I guess there won't be a reunion in heaven after all! Where do churchs get these ideas?
-cwm

a reply to: carewemust

Not necessarily. Your mother may be in heaven still. All this story (if true) shows that some of people stay behind after death.

And who to say that we won't ever have a reunion?

a reply to: carewemust

Perhaps not a reunion in "heaven", but a reunion of sorts on the next trip through this mortal fleshly existence...maybe?

I'd like to believe that, if we do reincarnate, that we go through our various lives with the same "soul group" as someone else in this thread hypothesized. It would be cool to know that my wife and I feel like "soul mates" because maybe we literally are soul mates and have taken this mortal trip together several times!

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: carewemust

Not necessarily. Your mother may be in heaven still. All this story (if true) shows that some of people stay behind after death.

And who to say that we won't ever have a reunion?

Ultimately there is only one consciousness, a consciousness that tricks itself into believing it is separated into ever decreasing parts so that it can experience and know itself.
That is why we are all one. We are all connected. What you do to others, you are ultimately doing to yourself.

The universe doesnt exist, its a mental projection from the consciousness that is everything. Its a thought.

Its an idea.

a reply to: OneManArmy

In the immortal words of Bill Hicks "Life is just a ride".
Life isnt about material gain, its about expanding consciousness as everything comes from consciousness. IMO
Before matter there could have only been consciousness that brought "material" into existence. Otherwise the universe has always existed, but yet the expansion of the universe doesnt support the constant state universe model.

If the universe had a beginning, then it had a cause, and a reason for coming into being and a CREATOR.
A creator not bound by the material laws of physics as we know them in this material universe. Which turns out is mostly empty space anyway.

Thats just logic. IMO.
I have thought about this deeply for years, and its the only logical conclusion I can provide.

If life was about material gain then why cant we take it with us when we die?

And to add, no need to correct my spelling it wasnt a mistake, Im english thats how we spell realise in english.

My fault. I didn't "realise" that spelling variation. Apologies.

There was never any consciousness before material. No one even knows what consciousness is. I don't know what kind of logic brought you to that conclusion but it is none that I have ever seen.

Life isn't just a ride. They are not even analogous.

a reply to: OneManArmy

OMGosh - I had started to put that into my post above, but then edited it out before posting because I didn't want to be all over the place. I have heard of that belief, that we are all one singular "entity" (for lack of a better word) that is experiencing every single life on Earth that has ever lived just for the experience. It may be difficult to separate your emotion from this concept, but all the good and evil that people do is simply lived just for the experience.

That we love and feel loved, murder and get murdered, give and take, etc. At the end of the...whatever - it's all just for the experience. And me responding to you in this moment is literally me responding to me. We are all me...

If this truly is the case, then mind = blown!

a reply to: OneManArmy

One major problem with that idea tho is that the fact we do not know what the others are doing.

Incredible post.
I love topics like this. This is the only thing that bothers me, it takes stories like this for people to believe what people have been saying forever. I'm not here to argue because I know some FOOL will "do you believe everything?" and I will answer no I don't.

Great post. I bet this is NOT the first documented case.

a reply to: abeverage
Man, that movie (Peter Proud) Really messed me up!

Rebel 5

a reply to: rebelv

You and the other guy are lucky to have seen that movie. It is a very rare movie to find.

originally posted by: Aphorism

There was never any consciousness before material.

So what caused the big bang?

Because there was a beginning then at some point something from nothing came into existence.
Now we know that you cant get something from nothing.

First law of thermodynamics - Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It can only change forms. In any process, the total energy of the universe remains the same. For a thermodynamic cycle the net heat supplied to the system equals the net work done by the system.

So before the big bang there was something.
Something that made the universe explode into existence with variables(universal constants) so precise that any deviation from their accuracy would have made the universe impossible(the elements wouldnt have been able to form from the fusion processes that are ruled by such precise mathematics, precise to 15 decimal places)...hence Multiverse theory to plug that hole, infinite universes where the possibility of those odds, that those precise constants could be reached by chance, becomes at least possible.

I dont for one second buy into the multiverse notion.
It makes more sense that it was created and designed that way, for a reason, by an intelligence, and intelligence is born of consciousness.

Consciousness is the conversations you have with yourself(hopefully not out loud of course). It is the thinking process.
It is the moral dilemma's, the soul searching, its the part of you that asks "What does it all mean?". "What is my purpose?". "Is there life after death?".
It is the questions philosophers have pondered for hundreds of years.
And theists alike.

The global consciousness has been scientifically measured.

When human consciousness becomes coherent, the behavior of random systems may change. Random number generators (RNGs) based on quantum tunneling produce completely unpredictable sequences of zeroes and ones. But when a great event synchronizes the feelings of millions of people, our network of RNGs becomes subtly structured. We calculate one in a trillion odds that the effect is due to chance. The evidence suggests an emerging noosphere or the unifying field of consciousness described by sages in all cultures.

Global Consciousness Project

This is sort of going way of topic. Just wanted to show the tangibility of consciousness, it does exist.
And it has a purpose.

a reply to: OneManArmy

So what caused the big bang? Because there was a beginning then at some point something from nothing came into existence. Now we know that you cant get something from nothing.

I used to think like that. But the thing with the Big Bang Theory is that NOTHING caused it. It is the WHOLE universe. The Big Bang theory never said that nothing came into existence. The universe is the existence itself.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: OneManArmy

So what caused the big bang? Because there was a beginning then at some point something from nothing came into existence. Now we know that you cant get something from nothing.

I used to think like that. But the thing with the Big Bang Theory is that NOTHING caused it. It is the WHOLE universe. The Big Bang theory never said that nothing came into existence. The universe is the existence itself.

If the universe had a beginning, then it had a cause.
Its as simple as that. Something caused the universe to begin expanding(as discovered by Hubble) from its original singularity, the event horizon.
That is cause and effect, caused by nothing. Energy from no energy. Something from nothing.

The second law of thermodynamics supports a soul. Energy is neither created nor destroyed, it simply changes form. Which makes an afterlife not only possible, but inevitable. The vessel dies but the soul lives on. To be recycled and change forms. All is energy, in different forms. That is reincarnation if you ask me.

a reply to: OneManArmy

I am not disagreeing with you or anything. I know we all have souls. However about the big bang theory...

If the universe had a beginning, then it had a cause. Its as simple as that. Something caused the universe to begin expanding(as discovered by Hubble) from its original singularity, the event horizon. That is cause and effect, caused by nothing. Energy from no energy. Something from nothing.

The Big Bang theory is not saying that it has a beginning out of nothing.

Let's say that something caused the big bang. Ok then what caused that cause to cause the big bang? And so on? See where I am going with this?