Conspiracy Theorists Vindicated: HAARP Confirmed Weather-manipulation Tool

Well..

All I can say is that there are a lot of misguided people on this thread! It's a shame because the smartest of people are often the most duped. We could sit here and argue all day about HAARP and whether or not it can control the weather..

The fact of the matter is;
They WANT to control the weather and have been attempting to for some time. Don't be naive, this is real stuff. If you haven't clocked onto this by now then you are very misguided. Cognitive Dissonance is a term that springs to mind.

You've got to remember that the military industrial complex is warfare based in nature. Anything they can be seen to be funding is almost guaranteed to have some form of combat orientated research thrown in. Many reputed scientists and quite a few members on this site have come up with some very logical theories for applications of HAARP technology.

Either way, the potential for it to be used for weather control is here, or at least, the research could lead to more projects like it. (Some may be completely secret.. think of Area 51 as an example of this level of secrecy)

Military, Government and all branches of power are commanded with varying degrees of secrecy instilled in them. Military especially so. So if they were using sites like HAARP for applications other than what they disclose, they wouldn't tell you.. Obviously. They would then be selectively public about the more 'mundane' applications for it and none of the more combat orientated side of things.

As someone has previously stated in the thread.. 99% of the workers in these facilities wouldn't know SOD ALL about what's really going on past their paygrade and work hours. Furthermore, the same people who 'own' the vast majority of the western military industrial complex are the same people who own the vast majority of mainstream media outlets.. Compartmentalisation and secrecy is how the powers that be work.

ESPECIALLY when it comes to military.

Food for thought.

a reply to: TechUnique

Anything they can be seen to be funding is almost guaranteed to have some form of combat orientated research thrown in.

Well yeah...!

I don't think anyone on here is arguing that HAARP doesn't have military applications. Radio communication is pretty vital to the military, far more so than weather.

Welcome to Earth, which is possibly one of the most unstable planets to support life in this part of the galaxy.

I think contrails could have a more of an effect then HAARP could considering the size they can reach, although I'm not familiar with the science of the infamous weather manipulating machine.

originally posted by: Rob48
a reply to: TechUnique

Anything they can be seen to be funding is almost guaranteed to have some form of combat orientated research thrown in.

Well yeah...!

I don't think anyone on here is arguing that HAARP doesn't have military applications. Radio communication is pretty vital to the military, far more so than weather.

Yes but weaponry is as vital a part of combat as communications is.

a reply to: TechUnique

So all military funded research involves weaponry?
msrc.fsu.edu...

Just kidding. Sort of.
HAARP is not a very good weapon.

Either way, the potential for it to be used for weather control is here, or at least, the research could lead to more projects like it.

There is no significant potential for weather control through ionospheric heating. There is no indication that the ionosphere has any effect on weather on a local scale.

As someone has previously stated in the thread.. 99% of the workers in these facilities wouldn't know SOD ALL about what's really going on past their paygrade and work hours.

The "workers" at HAARP are (were) scientists (many from other countries) and graduate students working on their own research projects. Yes, some of them on military research projects but many not. They all were using the very same equipment.

originally posted by: Rob48
a reply to: TechUnique

Anything they can be seen to be funding is almost guaranteed to have some form of combat orientated research thrown in.

Well yeah...!

I don't think anyone on here is arguing that HAARP doesn't have military applications. Radio communication is pretty vital to the military, far more so than weather.

Radio communication is pretty vital to the military,

Spokesman for HARRP ( Early Days I assume ) Ritch Garica Director of Public Relations
has Mentioned that about the Military for Radio Communication as for Satellites
and gave hints in Defense like the the US Airforce intentions. let alone Plasma bombs in the ionosphere Disruptions cutting of Radio Communication in Satellites more is what i think he was getting/Hinting At

For Controlling Weather not Sure

HAARP what ive have Gathered so far Acts like the Sun on the opposite Side of the Ionosphere
According to Ritch Garcia .. and that makes allot of Sense ...

a reply to: Wolfenz

HAARP what ive have Gathered so far Acts like the Sun on the opposite Side of the Ionosphere

Like a very weak Sun, in a very small region of the ionosphere.

Interesting.

So the line of thinking in this thread is:

- Any amount of energy added (big or small) into the ionosphere is all going to dissipate up through the thermosphere and disappear out into space, every last drop. Thus, no residual effects.

- The troposphere is not effected by any of the above layers/regions of the atmosphere.

- All atmospheric layers operate completely separate from one another.

- The military has never made any mention of HAARP being able to (intentionally or unintentionally) have any effect on localized weather shifts, therefore, it doesn't.

a reply to: CranialSponge

Any amount of energy added (big or small) into the ionosphere is all going to dissipate up through the thermosphere and disappear out into space, every last drop. Thus, no residual effects.

Pretty much so, yes. Just like the much greater energy provided by the Sun does every night. Just like the disturbances of geomagnetic storms dissipate rapidly. But, of course, the energy provide by HAARP is completely insignificant in comparison.

- The troposphere is not effected by any of the above layers/regions of the atmosphere.

There are effects at the tropopause, but mostly upwardly coupled. No indication of downward coupling between the ionosphere and the troposphere. When you think about the great difference in density (and distance) it's hard to see how it would work. Sort of like slapping the surface of a swimming pool with your hand. You'll make some ripples but you aren't going to be affecting the tile on the bottom of the pool.

- The military has never made any mention of HAARP being able to (intentionally or unintentionally) have any effect on localized weather shifts, therefore, it doesn't.

There's that. There's also the fact that there doesn't seem to be a hint of such in any of the hundreds of published research papers. There's also the above.

a reply to: Phage

I'm not as confident to be able to say that any insignificant amount of added energy cannot have a residual effect.

Top down, or bottom up.

That's a good analogy with the pool ripples... the only difference being that HAARP is shooting those ripples up through the pool tiles at the bottom rather than gently slapping at the surface from above.

a reply to: CranialSponge
No. The ripples only occur at the surface.
The slapping doesn't start until the energy reaches the surface. For two reasons:
1) The regions below the "surface" are transparent to the energy.
2) Neutral particles are not affected, only the charged particles of the ionosphere are affected by the HF radio energy.

a reply to: Phage

Those charged particles have to release their energy somewhere. Just like it does when the sun hits from above.

Some goes up, some goes down.

Insignificant or not, there has to be a change to the energy budget in one way, shape, or form.

IMO, "insignificant" is a relative term in this case.

a reply to: CranialSponge

IMO, "insignificant" is a relative term in this case.

The word "insignificant" is always a relative term since it denotes a comparison.

The power density provided by HAARP in the ionosphere is measured in a few milliwatts per square meter (depending on the selected altitude). The power of the Sun is more that 1000 watts per square meter. 0.0002% of the power provided by the Sun over each square meter. But the Sun affects the entire hemisphere, 98 million square miles. HAARP affects an area of about 50 square miles. I think insignificant is an appropriate word when comparing the power input of HAARP to that of the Sun. I'd be more concerned about HAARP's carbon footprint that what it does to the ionosphere.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: CranialSponge

2) Neutral particles are not affected, only the charged particles of the ionosphere are affected by the HF radio energy.

According to Eastlund's claims, neutral particles are ionized.. Therefore they add to the mass of total displaced particles.

....
FIG. 3 is an idealized representation of movement of plasma 12 upon excitation by electron cyclotron resonance within the earth's divergent force field. Electrons (e) are accelerated to velocities required to generate the necessary mirror force to cause their upward movement. At the same time neutral particles (n) which are present along line 11 in region R.sub.1 are ionized and become part of plasma 12. As electrons (e) move upward along line 11, they drag ions (i) and neutrals (n) with them but at an angle .theta. of about 13 degrees to field line 11. Also, any particulates that may be present in region R.sub.1, will be swept upwardly with the plasma. As the charged particles of plasma 12 move upward, other particles such as neutrals within or below R.sub.1, move in to replace the upwardly moving particles. These neutrals, under some conditions, can drag with them charged particles.

a reply to: Flux8
Are you talking about his HF ionospheric heater or his proposal for using microwaves and cosmic rays in the lower atmosphere?


I see your edit. There aren't many free electrons floating around at lower altitudes.

1. A method for altering at least one region normally existing above the earth's surface with electromagnetic radiation using naturally-occurring and diverging magnetic field lines of the earth comprising transmitting first electromagnetic radiation at a frequency between 20 and 7200 kHz from the earth's surface, said transmitting being conducted essentially at the outset of transmission substantially parallel to and along at least one of said field lines, adjusting the frequency of said first radiation to a value which will excite electron cyclotron resonance at an initial elevation at least 50 km above the earth's surface, whereby in the region in which said electron cyclotron resonance takes place heating, further ionization, and movement of both charged and neutral particles is effected, said cyclotron resonance excitation of said region is continued until the electron concentration of said region reaches a value of at least 10.sup.6 per cubic centimeter and has an ion energy of at least 2 ev.

It takes a lot more power than HAARP has to get electrons moving fast enough to create a significant amount of additional ionization but it still won't work in the lower atmosphere.

I talked in the past a lot about this.. Well.. Its still string around.. I think the professors they could be afraid, if they don't get there founding.. They know a lot more what is really going on..

the polar cusp and polar wind, the plasmasphere, the bow shock, the magnetotail, the plasma sheet and its boundary and earthward extension. Key elements when working with HF and UHF waves.. only relevant formula's for data if you were, say, playing with billion(s) of Gigawatts of power, Yeah, Id say they have been doing something.. For years.

What id like to see - is all the DARPA files from when they had their own projected at the time open

" Lets put it this way, if your sitting there with 20 guns pointed at you, what are you going too do? WHAT EVER THE HELL THEY WANT!"

a reply to: jude11

Well, well, well! They admit it's there to learn to control the weather, then they claim they are "shutting it down"? Fascinating. Admit to something that has been denied for ages, and then claim it won't be used any longer. Something smells here.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

They admit it's there to learn to control the weather

They did? Where? When?

a reply to: snarky412

They agreed not to use it against other nations. That doesn't say they won't use it here, to manipulate this one. Plus, such agreements are often broken.

In any case, that proves they CAN do such things, because they wouldn't sign an agreement not to if they weren't able.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

In any case, that proves they CAN do such things, because they wouldn't sign an agreement not to if they weren't able.

Yes. They can do cloud seeding. But the treaty says they can't use it as a weapon.