Sick of muslim apologists saying `well christianity was no better`.

Every single time (pretty much every day)
that there is a suicide bombing/ kidnapping/ terrorist attack by muslims, the first thing muslim apologists will say is `its no different to the crusaders`.

Are you kidding me? that was 600 years ago or so, the world was vastly different, everybody carried weapons, it was perfectly normal for every major power in the world to have things like beheadings or hangings simply for small things like theft, it was a totally different world.

So trying to justify things and put christianity in the same category because of something many centuries ago is ridiculous.

Look, i too know most wars come about because of religions, but barring crazy cults, there hasnt been any major governments or countries directly killing people shouting `in the name of christ` for hundreds of years.

There is zero excuse in this civilised world for islam`s attrocities, and when people go on and on about the `majority of muslims are so peace loving`, where are they speaking out against their brother muslims, thats right nowhere to be seen because deep down they too want shariah too.

So please stop trying to save face by starting every sentence about islam terrorism by saying `oh i know christianity has done similar in the past` because there is ZERO comparison to hundreds of years ago, to the world today. We are in a world now which is supposed to know better, and you cant put how christianity acted in the past and try to include it on par with islam today, because there is no comparison at all.

Actually, you can. Particularly if you consider that Islam, now, is about the age that Christianity was, then.

We can take it more or less as read that people are honestly peace-loving when they say so, rather than everyone seeking to secretly implement sharia. There's a gulf of difference between keeping personal adherance to the dictates of your religion, and wanting to create a theocracy out of it.

There's zero excuse in the civilized world for anyone's atrocities. The religion of the parties is no more relevant than the race.

There are many Muslims that speak out against the acts extremist Muslims commit. Some of them are on ATS.

But I think we need to look at these atrocities as acts of individuals....not an act of religion itself.

So I think your assessment/grievance is a bit misguided and simply wrong. But that's my opinion.

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
There are many Muslims that speak out against the acts extremist Muslims commit. Some of them are on ATS.

On ats or a forum means nothing at all
when was the last time in times square/ trafalgar square you saw thousands of these `peace lovin` muslims protesting against their brother muslims

yep.. ..

a reply to: uninfluenced

Roughly the last time I saw a major mass demonstration of feminist men, which is roughly never.

They aren't required to absolve themselves with the wringing of hands for Terrorist A's actions any more than you're required to get out there and protest and wring your hands against Randomly Selected Christian Criminal's actions, either.

We are speaking out & trying to educate just as I did here www.abovetopsecret.com...

It seems your addressing "Muslims on ATS"? About using Christan crusaids as an excuse ? Please provide me with evidence of this ..and I'll address them ..


Humbly

LSH

I hear you, it gets so old. Crusades blah blah blah stoning women blah blah blah. Comparing things 1000+ years ago to Muslims today beheading infidels, marrying off 10 year olds to old men, and selling women into slavery.

a reply to: uninfluenced

Christianity is about a half millennia older than Islam. Imagine Christianity 500 years ago and you will see why it's a fair comparison. All Abrahamic faiths went through a kill-the-infidels phase.

Actually, I'd say Muslim terrorism is pretty tame compared to genocide.

originally posted by: uninfluenced



Look, i too know most wars come about because of religions, but barring crazy cults, there hasnt been any major governments or countries directly killing people shouting `in the name of christ` for hundreds of years.


So please stop trying to save face by starting every sentence about islam terrorism by saying `oh i know christianity has done similar in the past` because there is ZERO comparison to hundreds of years ago, to the world today. We are in a world now which is supposed to know better, and you cant put how christianity acted in the past and try to include it on par with islam today, because there is no comparison at all.

Uhmmm....correction -

G.W. Bush most certainly DID call it a Holy War when he went against the U.N. and invaded Iraq
and Afghanistan.

The comparison you speak of is the fact the U.S. war machine is STILL causing atrocities in an
unsanctioned war continually murdering innocents with drone bombings and laughing it off as 'collateral damage'.

Please know your history.
Be well.

a reply to: uninfluenced

Are you kidding me?

Have you ever heard of a little group of violent sociopaths called the IRA?

How about the UVF? Both of these organisations were religious. One was largely peopled by Protestants, the other mostly by Catholics. Since the 1700s there has been tension in Ireland, which spilled over into murder and warfare between the two factions, with each faction forming a paramilitary arm at some point, whose aim was to cause terror amongst their opposite number.

Both groups were scum, to a man, but their anger and hate cannot be assumed of everyone who ever took up faith in Christ! In the exact same way, one cannot assume that all Muslims are bomb vest toting psychopaths, just because a small few happen to be. To fail to draw a distinction between Muslims and terroristic militants, IS ignorance, and to fail to accept that Islam and Christianity ARE similar in that way is self delusion.

a reply to: uninfluenced

First off, I'm not religious at all, and I'm by no means justifying suicide bombings.
They are as dishonourable a tactic as is using IED's, or drone-warfare for that matter.

But suicide bombings are as much "muslim" as pedophilia is "christian".

Also, "things like beheadings or hangings" is grossly trivialising the holy crusades... which were also never really about religion, even though that was the specious reasoning for them at the time.

originally posted by: uninfluenced

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
There are many Muslims that speak out against the acts extremist Muslims commit. Some of them are on ATS.

On ats or a forum means nothing at all
when was the last time in times square/ trafalgar square you saw thousands of these `peace lovin` muslims protesting against their brother muslims

yep.. ..

Well, now you are just moving the goalposts in the middle of a play. You asked where the other Muslims were condemning these acts, but when it's pointed out you say ATS and forums aren't good enough.

There have to be thousands in the street for you to take notice?

Perhaps your expectations are unreasonable.

Actually, there are modern examples of extreme Christian terrorists.

Look to Ireland, where there is still violence committed between Catholics and Protestants.

Look to Africa, where it is acceptable in many Christian communities to sacrifice children who are thought to be possessed by demons.

What about the Sikh temple massacre carried out by a Christian, who claimed religious reasons in Wisconsin in 2012?

What about the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting in 2008?

What about the Planned Parenthood bombing in 1998?


These are just a few examples - there are many more. So when someone says Christianity is just as bad as Islam in regards to extreme factions committing horrible acts, they don't have to look back 600 or even 60 years. The difference is that our country (the US) has a vested interest in villainizing Islam to support our various wars in the ME..

If you were more educated in current events, you wouldn't have written this thread.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Howdy TB, I was going to bring up the IRA too.. Glad someone else did.

As I hinted at, the reason people have this perception that Christianity doesn't commit these horrible acts of terrorism is because these acts aren't seized upon to promote an agenda - in fact, they are often only briefly mentioned in the national news at all, in comparison to a similar act carried out by Muslims.

a reply to: FreshKale

With the notable exception that christ was not a bandit whom raided caravans on the way to mecca, he never married a six year old child whom took her doll's and went bald the day after the wedding from probable trauma induced shock and he never killed numerous people or ordered woman raped like Um Kirfa whom was attacked in her tent after the other guy slipped in by night over several day's with several hundred men and snuck past her tribe using diversion and covering there robes with sand at day, she was raped torn apart by being tied to camels and then her head was given to the other guy whom was sitting in her tent eating a feast as a trophy, the other guy then gave her small daughter to his uncle as a plaything.
I can understand the atheist attitude but the two religions do not even compare, what was his prophecy if he was a prophet, when did he ever recieve the spirit of god and when did he talk to god or god talk to him.
Gabriel is not almighty God.
Whom told his bloodthirsty followers that they persian woman would lie down with there leg's spread for them to rape them.
We all know the old testament and the book of exodus so please do not liken it to that as it is a totally different scenario, a people coming to claim a homeland after four hundred years of exile and slavery as opposed to a bandit chief and outcase building an army whom worshiped him as the total and final prophet whose word could not be challenged and whom sought revenge, you know he was a salesman in mecca before his exile and his first wife had been his boss, she was middle aged when he a young man married her and took over the business she had inherited from her late husband, an import export business or more accurately a merchant, he became over his time expert in the religion and customs as well as language of many other poeple's as mecca was a major city on the spice and incense route's, when he returned triumphant into the terrified city he took a spear and murdered two men whom he claimed owed him money and had slandered him, in christianity it say's he whom lived by the sword shall die by the sword yet in islam it says live by the spear.

So you where saying.
Christianity is the true religion and I am very sorry if that upset's your sensibilitys'.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
I hear you, it gets so old. Crusades blah blah blah stoning women blah blah blah. Comparing things 1000+ years ago to Muslims today beheading infidels, marrying off 10 year olds to old men, and selling women into slavery.

Again, check out the form that Christianity has taken in modern Africa.

You're going to counter by saying that is just a small sample of Christians worldwide... I would ask you to consider that perhaps Islamic terrorism is only a very small percentage of the otherwise completely peaceful, and peace loving 1.6 BILLION Muslims around the world.

I"m thinking this is really a 'rant forum' thing and not a 'religious conspiracy' thing. And that's not an insult to the OP. There is a forum for just this kind of thing ... expressing your opinion like this. But I'm not seeing a conspiracy ... sorry.

How about we just all agree that the morally repugnant actions of one group, does not justify the morally repugnant actions of another.


Its the childish, ME TOO! defense, yet for some reason its the go to with any Criticism of Muslims.

Christianity did _____ so we get too do the same and you can't question, Nah nah nah nah.


If my neighbor beats his wife does that give me a Pass to? Or our we in a more evolved time, and barbaric actions should be opposed no mater who commits them.

according to most sources I could find Islam was founded in 633 CE. Not that is has any bearing on the above discussions but it is a religion that has been around for awhile.

Are we just pretending that we do not know about all the Christian terror groups and gangs? You know the one you can find all over Africa, Latin Amrica and Asia. And well I suppose in the US as well. I know when it is a group like Bokom we like to call them Muslim even though they are not considered that my the vast majority of Muslims, while at the same time a we say The Lords Resistance Army is not Christian because most the vast majorty of Christians do not consider them so. Then take some time to remember that a most terrorism in the 20/21th centuries have not been Muslim (less than 15%) Most in fact have occured in Christian states. You know all the violence and terror in Mexico? Look into the ideology of those guys, they dress everything they do as proper Christains, with saints and all.