10 Questions About the Pineal Gland That Add to the Mystery of Spirituality

a reply to: Ubei2

I've never heard about sun gazing to active the pineal gland, very interesting indeed!

Thanks for that info!

As Sled brought up, I'd be worried about my eyesight. Going to look a little bit deeper in to that subject.

originally posted by: Jennyfrenzy
a reply to: mindseye1609

And I'll reiterate my previous statement, when and where did I say Buddhists were "special?"

I thought it was an interesting coincidence between the 49 days. You are leaving out half of my statement to fit your argument.

not at all at the end you said you said "I'll respectfully disagree with you there." in response to a quoted section of my first post which said "its all just different perspectives on the same topic IMO and NO ONE has any idea what they are talking about."

so how do you disagree with this statement? disagreeing with the statement "NO ONE has any idea what they are talking about" means you think SOMEONE has some sort of idea of what they are talking about?

who is it then? i just preempted your retort of Buddhism if thats the one you were going to say, i only assumed you would retort buddhist after you quoted the bardo thodol (a great compilation of wonderful thoughts) if not buddhist then who?

a reply to: mindseye1609

I wish you well on your journey, Mindseye. You might ought to choose a different username. You don't seem to be up to speed on the subject to carry that name.
You need to do further research on this topic before claiming no one knows what they're talking about.

Just a warning... I don't want this thread turning into an argument. We can debate... politely, but anything else will get the alert button pushed on you.

Damage to the retina is a true concern. there are rules to be followed in this practice, about which I won't reply here.

I did not suffer anything from my experience with sungazing. I did, dutifylly, go at the eye doctors and had my vision checked after i decided to stop sungazing - 20/20 one eye and 20/25 in the other. I felt my eyesight improving.

Sungazing is purported to activate the pineal gland, according to Hira Ratan Manek, an indian "guru" who also claimed the most outlandish benefits of sungazing, i.e., inedia, but has since been caught eating and his claims have been "debunked."

a reply to: sled735

a reply to: Jennyfrenzy

It is known that the pineal gland has rods and cones, just like the eyes. For what purpose, this is far from being understood.
Sungazing supposedly activates said rods and cones, getting there through our eyes.

a reply to: Ubei2

sungazing is a scary one for me. do some digging and you will find many many cases of damage from only small exposure. alot of people seem to handle it no problem but a burnt retina is the worst thing you could ever do to yourself. its a hell of a thousand levels. i burned my retinas really bad blowing glass without the proper glasses on and I've never been so close to wanting to kill myself. i genuinely wanted to end, it was the most terrible terrible gut wrenching mind seizing loss of all control CONSTANT pain i have ever experienced in my life and i experienced this only a couple weeks before i read up on sun gazing... one old hippy actually said "ya might end up with a little bit of retina burn but thats no biggy, like a little sunburn for your eyes!" i almost puked from the flashbacks right then and there lol!

i give you props for being able to do it, alot of eastern thinkers talk about doing it as do many others. i personally while meditating under the heavy influence of mind altering substances i noticed i was able to look directly at the sun without even a wince. it seemed right almost. I've noticed this with 3 different substances too, whatever that means. i still dont think i could risk spending any kind of long term gazing but I've managed to find a couple other ways to get it activated very powerfully without it.

visual's combined with the right sound will get it going very powerfully. I'm gonna go dig right now and see if i can find the leary that did it for me....

tim leary has some serious visuals out there that are something else. if your not of strong mind i dont recommend watching any of them in any sort of altered state and if your not in just the right altered state the videos will look like gibberish anyway so idk... if you know you know lol leary has some pretty awesome ideas... but i think he's still just stabbing in the dark at it.

we are all trying to describe something we cant see or taste or touch or smell. its just simply a feeling that for some reason seems like so much more and we all just blindly poke and prod around attempting to quantify this "feeling" and relay it to others. many many many are dancing around the truth but i really dont think there is anyway to truly KNOW and concretely quantify the whole "Soul" and afterlife idea. thats kinda what makes it beautiful to me... the "Faith" that has to be given. just cant let it be blind faith!

a reply to: Ubei2

I'm aware the pineal gland has rods and cones as the retina does, I've just never heard about sun gazing being used to activate the third eye. I have some theories about why they do but that's a whole other topic, lol!

a reply to: muzzleflash



And yet you keep coming back?

What are you searching for?

I don't believe in unicorns, and yet I don't go around saying "it's pointless to argue with them". If they wanna believe in unicorns, fine. I care not, because it is of no use to my search for truth.

a reply to: mindseye1609

I know the cases where people have been damaged by sungazing - of course, by the time I started the practice I had extensively researched the subject, the dos and donts of it.

Another thing I forgot to mention was that I felt my whole body and being attuned to the sun, the core of myself If I so can say, experienced such bliss when I even felt the sun coming up behind a hill or a cloud. Strange, no words can describe it.

I never practiced with mind altering substances as I never felt it necessary. I'm sure different people have different experiences through different mediums.

originally posted by: sled735
a reply to: mindseye1609

I wish you well on your journey, Mindseye. You might ought to choose a different username. You don't seem to be up to speed on the subject to carry that name.
You need to do further research on this topic before claiming no one knows what they're talking about.

Just a warning... I don't want this thread turning into an argument. We can debate... politely, but anything else will get the alert button pushed on you.

push the alert button, i fear no mod for I'm not doing anything against the T & C? nothing I've said has been anything but asking questions? because you dont like what my questions mean doesn't mean you need to try and scare me by saying your gonna tattle tale??

maybe its you who needs to do a little digging considering I've spent the last 6 years of my life almost wholly dedicated to figuring the pineal gland out. you guys are all caught up in the mumbo jumbo of it and need to truly dig deeper. the pineal gland is much much more then just some "Soul seat"

what damage does putting fluoride in the water system cause?? it calcifies the pineal gland? why? so we cant be super heroes and beat up hitler?

NOPE calcification effects the way the pineal gland interacts with the electrical signals sent to it from our brain and it scrambles the images and effects the ability to visualize. when the brain is unable to deeply visualize people aren't able to think of BIG ideas and plan long term and to think of the repercussions actions like smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol and being a greedy shopping addict or whatever.

not being able to visualize things with proper clarity cause all kinds of imbalances in the mind and can cause depression and hyperactivity and all kinds of other side effects of the brain being "Blind"

on top of the brain being blind people who cant visualize usually make bad decisions in their life which leads to even more depression and even more desperate decisions which probably will work out just as poor due to lack of vision, its a vicious cycle thats got the world in its grips.

Nice litttle reading from the folks at.... MIT

notice they use the words "The seat of Imagination and common sense" hmmmmm much the the buddhist and the other religions, science is close!

its all just different views and different words to describe the same stuff.

in the last 6 years of being hard on the trail of the "Mindseye" I've found that basically all roads lead to the pineal gland. ancient symbolism all hints at it. modern science is starting to understand its importance. the richest people in the world taunt the rest of us by worshiping the mindseye in the open but never fully tell us what it is.... i think its cause they dont even know. thats the specialist part I've found about it, it may never be fully understood.

i would like to add, read all my posts with a big ole smile on your face and alot of love in your heart, sometimes i come of a bit gruffy if you were to read alot of what i say without knowing me well. damned text is hard to convey emotion in

originally posted by: Ubei2
a reply to: mindseye1609

I know the cases where people have been damaged by sungazing - of course, by the time I started the practice I had extensively researched the subject, the dos and donts of it.

Another thing I forgot to mention was that I felt my whole body and being attuned to the sun, the core of myself If I so can say, experienced such bliss when I even felt the sun coming up behind a hill or a cloud. Strange, no words can describe it.

I never practiced with mind altering substances as I never felt it necessary. I'm sure different people have different experiences through different mediums.

saying you've never practiced (I'm assuming you mean meditation?) without mind altering substances while claiming to know about a subject is akin to claiming to know about nascar while driving your prius 2 miles to work every day. ya you have an idea how cars work and an idea what it MIGHT feel like to go 250 miles an hour 4 wide around a 65degree embanked turn....... but you will never really know...

same with meditation and all things spiritual, you can never know, you can only jump in that nascar and go 250 miles an hour around a turn 4 wide! aka lose control of your own consciousness and enjoy the ride and try to remember the lessons that are brought before you!

in our case even diving in and ritualizing substances and attempting to dig deeper over and over and over and literally being that "Nascar driver" won't give us any sort of expertise... in fact it usually just gives more questions... thats the extent of all my thinkings.. we will never truly know.. thats where the faith comes in.


*End reply to ubei*

I said in the last post about how MIT classifies the pineal gland as the "seat of the imagination and common sense" so being the seat of common sense and imagination that tells me the pineal gland is the gland that tells us as human beings its not ok to Murder rape steal and just plain ole be an a$$hole lol. the ramifications of this and calcification are pretty huge. people will quit using common sense when the pineal gland isnt properly functioning.

well isnt religion and this whole idea of "God" and a soul governing us kinda stabbing at the same thing.... this gland gives us the "rules" in the form of common sense and imagination. anyone with a very active imagination would be really hard pressed to do something just downright terrible cause they are usually able to visualize the ramifications.

theres a verse about it in mathew and luke and a couple other spots if I'm not mistaken... it hints at it.

i appoligize for anything that might of came off as adversarial but i just wanted clarity on somethings that were being said on a topic that i hold close.

originally posted by: mindseye1609

originally posted by: sled735
a reply to: mindseye1609

I wish you well on your journey, Mindseye. You might ought to choose a different username. You don't seem to be up to speed on the subject to carry that name.
You need to do further research on this topic before claiming no one knows what they're talking about.

Just a warning... I don't want this thread turning into an argument. We can debate... politely, but anything else will get the alert button pushed on you.

push the alert button, i fear no mod for I'm not doing anything against the T & C? nothing I've said has been anything but asking questions? because you dont like what my questions mean doesn't mean you need to try and scare me by saying your gonna tattle tale??

I'm not trying to scare anyone, just stating a fact.

maybe its you who needs to do a little digging considering I've spent the last 6 years of my life almost wholly dedicated to figuring the pineal gland out. you guys are all caught up in the mumbo jumbo of it and need to truly dig deeper. the pineal gland is much much more then just some "Soul seat"

That's good that you've been researching for 6 years. You have about 35 more to go to catch up with me.

what damage does putting fluoride in the water system cause?? it calcifies the pineal gland? why? so we cant be super heroes and beat up hitler?

I don't think using the pineal gland is meant to be used to beat up Hitler. lol I think it's purpose is to NOT beat him up...
Try a gentler approach to solving our problems.

TextNOPE calcification effects the way the pineal gland interacts with the electrical signals sent to it from our brain and it scrambles the images and effects the ability to visualize. when the brain is unable to deeply visualize people aren't able to think of BIG ideas and plan long term and to think of the repercussions actions like smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol and being a greedy shopping addict or whatever.

not being able to visualize things with proper clarity cause all kinds of imbalances in the mind and can cause depression and hyperactivity and all kinds of other side effects of the brain being "Blind"

on top of the brain being blind people who cant visualize usually make bad decisions in their life which leads to even more depression and even more desperate decisions which probably will work out just as poor due to lack of vision, its a vicious cycle thats got the world in its grips.

Nice litttle reading from the folks at.... MIT

notice they use the words "The seat of Imagination and common sense" hmmmmm much the the buddhist and the other religions, science is close!

its all just different views and different words to describe the same stuff.

I've noticed this during reading many different books by different 'religions' and other belief systems too. It seems we are all on the same journey, and the same things are being taught, but with different names. But the end goal is the same. The goal is what's important. As long as we all reach it, why does it matter which path we use to get there?
Different 'paths' are put here for each individual's learning process along the way.

in the last 6 years of being hard on the trail of the "Mindseye" I've found that basically all roads lead to the pineal gland. ancient symbolism all hints at it. modern science is starting to understand its importance. the richest people in the world taunt the rest of us by worshiping the mindseye in the open but never fully tell us what it is.... i think its cause they dont even know. thats the specialist part I've found about it, it may never be fully understood.

i would like to add, read all my posts with a big ole smile on your face and alot of love in your heart, sometimes i come of a bit gruffy if you were to read alot of what i say without knowing me well. damned text is hard to convey emotion in

That's much better.

a reply to: sled735

i only mentioned the hitler reference because he was the first world leader to order it into his cities water supplies.


And no the goal is not always the same.... 99.999999999999% of people pushing anything religion are doing to either atone for their own past sins or to get some $ from you. "Hey i know how to be happy read my book!"

i got a feeling that alot of the major religions have just been warped and molded over the years to serve different purposes politically and that the initial messages were most likely lost. a christian doing good works on this world so she gets a golden mansion in heaven on a golden road with all her loved ones ISNT a godly person. thats the exact opposite. the UPFRONT message of all these religions including buddhism (non action) ARE COMPLETELY FLAWED and meant to keep us in cages of thought.

this mindseye topic now that its finally starting to see the light of day is starting to get flooded with disinfo and just plain ole more misunderstanding.

some people are trying very very hard to try and sift through all this, joe rogan for example, check out his '___' speeches. he worked closely with strassman on the "Spirit molecule" Movie and he's a very adamant proponent of the world being so much bigger then we could ever imagine or quantify. even joe with his front row seat to pineal gland study will tell you no one has any @$@#@%$ idea what the @$@# is going on lol.







i want to get into the microbiology of the pineal gland. thats where i think we are going to find some serious magic. what proteins and enzymes are active in there? what kind of bacterium/fungi are the kings of the pineal gland and why? i think this is an avenue we need to put some attention to quick. we are just now learning about the micro organism elsewhere and how important of a role they all play in different kidney health and digestion health and just pretty much every bit of our body has little micro workers doing some sort of job there, who's working in the pineal gland?

a reply to: mindseye1609

I spoke of my own experience with sungazing, did not claim anything, nor exerted myself as in-the-know as far mind altering substances go.

As for meditation, my research and little experience I've had with it, have proven to me that it can be beneficial and achievable without need of mind altering substances.

The latter might get one "there" faster, wherever there may be, but the point is not to lose consciousness of the experience (not to be confused with losing control). As i said, different people have different experiences through different mediums and for different reasons.

I am not one to tell others what's right, what's wrong, what's better and what's truer. If for whatever reason you believe you have it upon you to do so, feel free. It is appreciated and duly noted.

(Apologize to the OP for the deviation on the topic)

a reply to: mindseye1609

You missed my point. I agree some religions are teaching certain wrong things to keep the masses blinded and 'in check'.
But, to the people who are choosing these paths, there are lessons to be learned for them.

IMO, we all draw our road map before we come here so we can learn certain lessons. Being a member of a particular religion may be part of their road map.

That's a different subject for another thread.

a reply to: sled735

and pushing a non action free loving just "Follow the mindseye" life is very damaging to people too. keep acting like buddha and someone like lil kim jong UN will come along and stomp all over your non action butt and take you to the cleaners... AKA china and mongolia and all the other mostly buddhist lands...

wild animals have pineal glands. tigers in the jungle that maim and kill and slaughter for food have pineal glands. the snakes that sit still and wait for hours to the strike and just barely inject some poison into their prey to just sit back and slowly watch them die in agony have pineal glands....

theres some sort of balance to be found out there for sure but where that is and how to achieve it i doubt we could ever know. we've come way to far and think much to highly of ourselves at this point to ever truly find our place in nature. and by nature i mean all of existence. all of space and every planet that harbors microbial life and up.

alot of eastern chakra types always like to thing of us as a "being" and never try to tie biology and everything else into this topic. remember in your stomach right now there is a higher population of ecoli then the entire human population of ALL TIME. thats just YOUR digestive tract and just ECOLI. we have thousands upon thousands of micro organisms right down to proteins that combine the DNA when we pro create. we are one giant machine thats populated by MANY MANY.

heres a fun one about mitochondria was our mitochondria at once a free living bacterium?

so these mitochondria share in the effects of our pineal gland with us but they aren't the same living organism? its such a huge story that i pine every day for some expert to show up and fill us all in on it but sadly whenever that happens a couple paragraphs in they are usually asking for support of some sorts.



is anyone up on the micro life that interacts directly with the pineal gland? I've read theres water inside it, is there anything living in this water?

originally posted by: Ubei2
a reply to: mindseye1609

I spoke of my own experience with sungazing, did not claim anything, nor exerted myself as in-the-know as far mind altering substances go.

As for meditation, my research and little experience I've had with it, have proven to me that it can be beneficial and achievable without need of mind altering substances.

The latter might get one "there" faster, wherever there may be, but the point is not to lose consciousness of the experience (not to be confused with losing control). As i said, different people have different experiences through different mediums and for different reasons.

I am not one to tell others what's right, what's wrong, what's better and what's truer. If for whatever reason you believe you have it upon you to do so, feel free. It is appreciated and duly noted.

(Apologize to the OP for the deviation on the topic)

you never went off topic? the op brought us 41 years of research in the form of 10 leading questions that centered around the mindseye and the spirituality. thats the topic. the mindseye and the mysteriousness of it..

to offer up sun gazing just reeks of troll, you very well may of been serious about it but its an amazing over site on your part and a terribly irresponsible move to try and advocate for sun gazing. you never even offered one word on the dangers until others brought up concern? very immature.

and to get on "there" Faster is an outlook someone who has no idea what they are talking about would say. you think doing cocane is gonna get one closer to god? you think taking acid? mushrooms? hell even Dimethyltriptamene? right now just down the road from my in detroit michigan one can acquire all the Dimethyltriptamine you could ever want for cheap cheap cheap. you would think that detroit would be this enlightened paradise then huh?....... i think you see where I'm going.

doing drugs isnt going to get anyone any close any faster to anything. spending time in controlled environments with shamans and other workers of the mind taking HUGE doses in some cases of VERY pure and professionally synthesized substances and then spend that time trying to work through the immediate and not so immediate problems that surround you might get ya there tho.

even shamans have a very flawed view. the one i spent some time with knew NOTHING of space and astrology or biology so his entire view on what he was experiencing was from a very limited scope... but if you spend enough time with enough people who looks with little scopes you can start to see the bigger picture. none of us have the bigger picture including myself, hell especially myself.

the culmination of all my studies is as i said before, that we dont know SH!#. alot of us pretend we do, but we dont. i wish we did, but we dont.

originally posted by: mindseye1609
a reply to: sled735

is anyone up on the micro life that interacts directly with the pineal gland? I've read theres water inside it, is there anything living in this water?

David talks about the pineal gland and the water inside in the video I posted on page 2. He gives the most detailed description of it I've ever heard. That's why I post this video a lot.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

i would just like to add that any advocating it might sound like I'm doing for illicit substances is definitely not so. anything I've taken has been in a professional setting with an EMT on standby. for a couple years i was involved with some pretty heady students from the super nerd college around here who set up some pretty amazing sessions. it was all done for a book which i will be amazed if it ever sees the light of day. we had fun doing it, but we were always very safe.

originally posted by: mindseye1609

originally posted by: Ubei2
a reply to: mindseye1609

I spoke of my own experience with sungazing, did not claim anything, nor exerted myself as in-the-know as far mind altering substances go.

As for meditation, my research and little experience I've had with it, have proven to me that it can be beneficial and achievable without need of mind altering substances.

The latter might get one "there" faster, wherever there may be, but the point is not to lose consciousness of the experience (not to be confused with losing control). As i said, different people have different experiences through different mediums and for different reasons.

I am not one to tell others what's right, what's wrong, what's better and what's truer. If for whatever reason you believe you have it upon you to do so, feel free. It is appreciated and duly noted.

(Apologize to the OP for the deviation on the topic)

you never went off topic? the op brought us 41 years of research in the form of 10 leading questions that centered around the mindseye and the spirituality. thats the topic. the mindseye and the mysteriousness of it..

to offer up sun gazing just reeks of troll, you very well may of been serious about it but its an amazing over site on your part and a terribly irresponsible move to try and advocate for sun gazing. you never even offered one word on the dangers until others brought up concern? very immature.

Excuse me!!!! I do believe this is MY thread, and Ubei2 is not trolling!!! If I feel he is, I'll report him... but I DON'T!!
If anyone here reeks of immaturity, it is you.

I appreciate your input. Now that you have said your piece, please step aside and allow others to speak without you butting in telling them how stupid their opinion is (to you)!